Why involve ChatGPT, rather than actually starting with the basics of Marx’s critique of Capitalism, especially the two I linked? I specifically mentioned WLaC and VPaP because they are already summaries and simplifications of Capital.
Going beyond those two works into more complicated class dynamics like the petite bourgeoisie, lumpenproletariat, and so forth, concepts like the Base and Superstructure, Historical and Dialectical Materialism, and so forth can be explored later.
It’s 2024, I’m not sitting around reading Marxist tracts. No.
The premise of the comment that normies are going to jump on the chance to read boring political tracts is idiotic. I was just trying to help, but I see you guys have another century of failing to appeal to a mass audience ahead of you.
So ignore my advice and just go on with your book list plan.
I’m sure in 2024, people will choose to read these two books rather than a book of their own choosing, or a video game, or a youtube video…nah nah not at all. People are just out there like “I’m really hankering to read long form political monologues”.hahahaha
WLaC and VPaP are both pamphlets, Capital is a collection of large Volumes. The ideas presented in WLaC and VPaP are simple, straightforward, and deliberately written for the common worker, unlike Capital, which was directed towards academics.
I hear and understand your point, but unfortunately in my experience trying to distill these ideas even further in Lemmy comments, and feed people individually piece by piece, results in far more questions and time investment than simply reading the texts.
… anyways good luck appealing to people who already agree with you, and people who have already heard of these ideas and rejected them.
I’m appealing to people who recognize that Capitalism isn’t working, but don’t yet fully understand the mechanics of why.
Marxist are just plain shit at selling their ideas. That’s your ideologies entire problem.
It is indeed a struggle to teach Marxist concepts within society dominated by Liberalism, yes. That doesn’t make the struggle pointless. If Marxism is indeed a correct method of analysis, like I believe it is, then it will continue to prove itself as such without care for the ideas held by society.
More people need to read Marx. I recommend reading Wage Labor and Capital and following it up with Value, Price and Profit if you have a couple hours to spare.
Counter offer …tell people the basic concepts to ask ChatGPT to explain/summarise, so they can escape “false consciousness”?
Maybe start with how the division of labour during the industrial revolution caused a loss of community and craftsmanship?
…I assume, value adding labour theory should be explained…
…surplus value being converted to profit rather than wages …
Alienated labour
The means of production, and how a dictatorship of the prolitariate are achieved?
What the petite bouigouis and lumlenprolitariate are?
Culture and how it reifies workers and their interests… ?
Stuff like that… Maybe even lead into Marcuse’s theory of the 1 dimensional man?
Why involve ChatGPT, rather than actually starting with the basics of Marx’s critique of Capitalism, especially the two I linked? I specifically mentioned WLaC and VPaP because they are already summaries and simplifications of Capital.
Going beyond those two works into more complicated class dynamics like the petite bourgeoisie, lumpenproletariat, and so forth, concepts like the Base and Superstructure, Historical and Dialectical Materialism, and so forth can be explored later.
Really they should just read the book. You can’t read half a book.
It’s 2024, I’m not sitting around reading Marxist tracts. No.
The premise of the comment that normies are going to jump on the chance to read boring political tracts is idiotic. I was just trying to help, but I see you guys have another century of failing to appeal to a mass audience ahead of you.
So ignore my advice and just go on with your book list plan.
I’m sure in 2024, people will choose to read these two books rather than a book of their own choosing, or a video game, or a youtube video…nah nah not at all. People are just out there like “I’m really hankering to read long form political monologues”.hahahaha
Are you trying to sell ideas and concepts, a worldview, or are you trying to set political science homework…
… anyways good luck appealing to people who already agree with you, and people who have already heard of these ideas and rejected them.
Marxist are just plain shit at selling their ideas. That’s your ideologies entire problem.
WLaC and VPaP are both pamphlets, Capital is a collection of large Volumes. The ideas presented in WLaC and VPaP are simple, straightforward, and deliberately written for the common worker, unlike Capital, which was directed towards academics.
I hear and understand your point, but unfortunately in my experience trying to distill these ideas even further in Lemmy comments, and feed people individually piece by piece, results in far more questions and time investment than simply reading the texts.
I’m appealing to people who recognize that Capitalism isn’t working, but don’t yet fully understand the mechanics of why.
It is indeed a struggle to teach Marxist concepts within society dominated by Liberalism, yes. That doesn’t make the struggle pointless. If Marxism is indeed a correct method of analysis, like I believe it is, then it will continue to prove itself as such without care for the ideas held by society.