Because Trump performed exactly how he has in every previous debate, I’m not saying it was good but it was the same shit level of performance that I expected.
Biden performed horrendously compared to expectations, that’s why he gets the focus. Trump lying his ass off just isn’t news anymore, I’m not justifying it but it would have been stranger if he hadn’t.
I know Trump shouldn’t get a pass but the reason Biden is getting so much focus and Trump isn’t is pretty obvious. Trump did as Trump does and Biden had a horrible performance.
Biden performed horrendously compared to expectations, that’s why he gets the focus.
Infuriating because people writing these headlines already know this. The entire purpose of these headlines is to deflect the real problem of Biden’s inability to fulfill his role as Chief Executive onto “Ah but have you considered Trump is worse?!”
I know Trump shouldn’t get a pass
I don’t think he really benefited from the debate either. Its not like anything he said resonated with the audience. It was the standard litany of grumpy old fascist bullshit. His approval rating didn’t go up. Nothing he said has endured as a talking point or meme. He didn’t even score a good laugh line.
This was a spectacle precisely because Biden was supposed to come out as a powerful voice to rally the mushy indie voters and… he didn’t. We have this enormous pool of people who are disgusted with both candidates. Biden didn’t put anything on the table to win them over. Trump didn’t either. So now we go into the convensions with two of the must unlikable candidates in living memory.
This was a spectacle precisely because Biden was supposed to come out as a powerful voice
Yeah I believe one of the people on the post debate panel said that the Biden team were the ones who pushed for this debate precisely to show that Biden was up to the task of being president again, which he failed at. Fair warning I could be dead wrong on that though.
Trump lying his ass off just isn’t news anymore
Therein lies the problem. It should be the ENTIRE news. This is what we get when we let huge companies dictate the “news” and push all this crap about Biden yet basically nothing about Trump.
It’s not journalism- it’s money.
It should be the ENTIRE news.
You don’t think another candidate being like a lost and confused grandpa with Alzheimer deserves at least some part of the news?
The media is only focused on one.
Because the Far Right owns the “Liberal” Media
Biden really is just full on running Trump’s 2016 campaign huh?
When’s he gonna start yelling about Trump’s emails?
Because Biden was the ‘electability’ candidate, and he’s looking pretty fucking un-electable.
The argument against swapping out candidates with 4 months to go is ostensibly because it’s not enough time to campaign, but that’s the reason Biden needs to be tapped out. Whoever is running needs to be able to clearly prosecute the case against Trump, but Biden can’t even deliver a coherent sentence. Even when he’s reading off prompter he’s flubbing words, missing cues, and can barely remember who’s still alive and who’s already dead. We can’t just hope people will read between the broken sentences; Biden needs to be able to campaign for himself. Turnout will be so fucking low if he doesn’t do his fucking job, and that will be nobody’s fault but his and the DNC’s if they don’t fucking do something now.
Quit complaining about how the press is reporting on his flubs; they’re not inventing that problem whole-cloth, Biden is clearly not doing well. People should be irate that the white house and the DNC have been ignoring this issue that’s been growing steadily for the last 3 and a half years.
We loose if we do nothing about this. Fullstop.
DNC doesn’t care and pretending they do is pointless.
How loose are we though?
Harris needs to get out there and campaign hard.
Question I’ve been asking since the debate.
I’m Canadian, and Trump and his Project 2025 scares the ever loving crap out of me.
Why doesn’t it scare you guys?
It does, that’s why we want a stronger candidate than Biden. Everyone already knows where Trump stands on things and has for years at this point so shining a light on it does not help. It shouldn’t even be close and yet it is because the Dems keep trying to jam candidates no one likes down our throats.
Personally speaking I don’t think the wealthy elite of the US will back a fascist coup anytime soon. In all the history of fascism, it’s usually only been supported by the powers that be when said powers are threatened by an organized radical left. No such left really exists in the US. Until that time, I expect nothing to fundamentally change about the slow decline of the US and the two party system.
It is so funny they talk about the look and presentation when its so much easier to just spew out whatever is at tip of your brain with no care about veracity.
BOY DID HE EVER FUCKING LIE.
Sounds like something a Palestinian would say! /s
That entire exchange was racist, and no one called it out. Everyone on stage is a Zionist.
Imagine if Trump had called Biden a Jew. They’d be screaming antisemitism.
Trump getting no pushback for lying for 1 hour and not actually any questions is a real issue. Trying to say Biden was tongue-tied is way too generous. His mind was spinning up like old 90 computer hardrives. It took awhile for him to reply to anything. If this debate was taken seriously, Trump wouldn’t have gotten to sit up there and do that for all that time.
MAGA will vote for Trump no matter what. Democrats would rather vote for a corpse than vote for Trump. Which means we don’t need Biden to save democracy: anyone will do.
I don’t understand how anyone… ever …can reconcile that Biden has let through 9.000.000+ illegal immigrants in a few short years and already begun to the social unrest as a result…
But further to that we can see the elections system remains easily defrauded, suggesting issues that could result in illegal immirants getting away with voting and having their vote counted…
The only way I can see Bidens actions and inactions being a good thing is he seems to be rapidly accelerating the totality of collapse that can bring the country to essentially civil war and a breaking up of the states between red and blue … which could result in more of an EU situation
Wow. An actual conservative point of view. Can we keep him everybody? Pretty please? 🥺
You think the illegal population has increased by over 70% in 3 years? How does one get to be this gullible to propaganda?
You can see the footage of it, and the stats, you don’t have to try hard either, YouTube shows the endless sea flooding in daily, and then states are giving them money and a bunch of handouts. This is real, this is happening, like how long can you keep your head in the sand for
YouTube videos aren’t really great proof of anything. A bunch of YouTube videos get debunked daily. I also haven’t found any stats of 9 million illegal immigrants, can you point me in the right direction?
Wait til you find out about climate migration.
Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that 9,000,000 number.
looks around
Gonna need one for that “social unrest” too.
I mean I keep seeing articles of people being murdered by illegal immigrants, is it pure scare mongering?
And I’m really quite surprised I’d be upvoted by this as anyone that enjoys freedom and a good quality of life should really understand what’s going on
is it pure scare mongering?
Yes
Yes it is pure scare mongering, that is how most media makes money. You are more likely to be murdered by your parents than an immigrant. What do you mean by “what’s going on?” I enjoy freedom and good quality of life, which is why I think borders shouldn’t exist.
What’s going on? You have open borders, completely open, border control is a formality for the airports. Anyone from any motivation can walk into the states freely unchecked, unquestioned, unchallenged, for free; undocumented… since Biden laxed the laws dramatically… and on top, taxpayer money is being spent supporting these immigrants. Truly truly mind boggling stuff.
I’ve literally watched live streams of the endless flood coming across.
America is under attack by its own government policy, it’s like you’ve fought wars before but never such an internal war.
It’s the woke mind virus, it’s a cancer of the mind… it’s so sad to watch unfold
It is one of America’s ideals to help people everywhere find a better life and live the ‘American dream.’ You don’t support this patriotic ideal? Thousands of refugees from the endless global wars that the US helps initiate come to our borders to find salvation. I gladly pay taxes to help needy immigrants because that is supposedly one of the foundational elements of ‘America’.
But we are ruled by the wealthy who trick average people to be mad at immigrants instead of wage theft, wealth redistribution, unchecked global atrocities and war crimes done in the name profit, Raytheon et al and the military-industrial complex. I have been to the border, my friends and family have a lot of experience in border towns and there is no dangerous immigrant invasion going on like portrayed by the media. And what open borders? Biden has deported more people than Trump.
I have such a strong disagreement on the idea of Biden being better with illegal immigration than trump that I’m convinced you’re a Russian bot intended to post pro Biden rhetoric as he’s done more damage to America than any nuke could ever achieve
Yes, we know that conservatives constantly foam at the mouth at the thought of collapse or inciting violence.
Specifically, focussing on two related things only, the illegal immigration and the proven loopholes for Voting/election fraud.
These pillars of democracy ate important and real… no one is foaming at the mouth for collapse, on the contrary… conservatives and non conservatives alike want freedom and peaceful respectable lives
Can you give us some examples of election fraud?
Because literally nobody is suprised by trump as this point. We all know what he is at this point. Biden popped the fascade that has been carefully crafted to keep us all thinking he was doing alright despite being old as fuck.
100%. People want to act like it was a “bad debate performance” but it was absolutely eye opening to the american people. Its not about who won or lost a debate.
And it’s not like it’s the first of those incidents. He fell off his bike, tripped getting on air force one, had a bunch of press conferences where he did the trailing off in the middle of his answer thing, etc.
And this isn’t the only person democrats did this with either. They enabled Dianne Feinstein to run for reelection despite her being at deaths door, there’s the RBG debacle, etc.
Democrats need to get better at refreshing the old guard. The only one that did it kind of right is Nancy Pelosi: groom a successor and step aside when the time is right.
I love the argument about the bike, have you seen trump on a bike? There’s a 99% chance that you don’t ride a bike yourself.
BTW: he tripped, because he had to stop to talk with reporters and the predators had straps. It even happened to me and I’m much much younger than him.
Maybe there’s millions of qualified people other than Trump and Biden in the US? Why do Americans have to settle for just these 2? Why does Biden get to say he’s the only one that could beat Trump, if that’s objectively not true?
I can’t think of anyone else who could beat him. I really believed that Clinton could do it, and technically she did, but she didn’t beat him bad enough. A lot of people thought he was just playing himself up to win and wouldn’t be so bad once he got in (myself included). He showed them he wasn’t playing anything up and a vote against him got the largest turnout in history.
I really thought (and prayed, and begged the universe) that Sanders would get a shot.
Damn, what a mess. What a stressful, stressful, mess.
With a gay kid and a trans kid, I really do worry about their future. All we can do is ride the rock and hope for the best though. Well, that and vote against the dude who openly despises certain groups.
Democrats are so ego driven that they think death itself cannot claim them at a moment’s notice. I think this is part of the facade of the Democrats people are, unfortunately, going to respond to this election: Democrats, as a party, like to present themselves as being all about compromise and caring. Getting things done for the #AmericanPeople. But when it’s time to step down and let others shine in the limelight because you’ve had your time and the physical realities of age are something you have to acknowledge, or when there might be a better candidate for an election and you have to make the difficult choice of not getting what you want for the good of the country, that fucking sentiment disappears like a fart in the wind.
How many people who previously hadn’t been paying attention to the race tuned in and saw the same deterioration they’ve watched in their own parents and grandparents?
News feeds on drama so they have to foment turmoil. Also, every news source of consequence has a trump donor CEO (even the liberal biased ones)…so…
Because nothing about Trump has changed.
More importantly, there’s nothing you can do to convince someone who’s dumb enough to vote for Trump, not to. This is why chasing “swing” voters is a really terrible strategy and always has been. There’s literally nothing Trump could say or do to alienate the voters he has now, no one is undecided on Trump.
What determines the outcome for Democrats is the same it’s ever been; turn out. It’s why Biden won in 2020, it’s why the GOP is constantly trying to sabotage and suppress voter registration. And it’s why it’s critical that Biden steps down, he simply cannot drive the needed turn out now and is unwilling to form a coalition with non-conservative democrats/independents.
Yea. I’m not from the US (so an outsider’s and probably naive perspective) …
but the whole Biden thing seems off. Trump is a known quantity. The point of his running, at a basic level and besides vengeance, is to try the MAGA thing again without COVID “interfering”. Also, if you think back to the 2020 Dem primaries, where no one was really happy with any candidate and many were asking of the Dems “is that the best you’ve got” … a Trump sequel is kinda republicans forcing that question again.
As for all of the attention … well there’s a lot on the line here: Trump’s a known quantity … so, Dems, how you going to defeat him this time? Because … if you lose to Trump, twice, both times by standing by a party elder … that’s maybe “shame on you”. Moreover, we all knew Biden was old. A single term was sorta, kinda part of the deal because of that (remember, he wasn’t doing well in the primaries, he never has really). So, has a bargain been broken here? A gamble lost? A mistake, perhaps all the way back in 2020 but certainly behind the decision to run again, come to fruition?
Beyond all of that … I thought excessive media attention on Trump and the free publicity he gets was a bad thing (he’s probably jealous about Biden’s media attention lol)?
I agree, and all this happened when Epstein files were unsealed. Why there’s no talk about that?
I think Biden promising to increase taxes for the rich doesn’t bode well with the rich, because Biden might actually do it.
Ding ding ding! Biden is a threat to the wealthy so the smear campaign is rich capitalists trying to replace Biden with someone they like more, or get tRump back in so they can get tax breaks. They care not for the dangers of fascism cause they’ll still make profit, but with fewer regulations and faster.
Also, probably many of those implicated in the Epstein files are extremely wealthy and don’t want that info taking center stage at anytime. The wealthy like to see those bank account zeroes increase! Soon as you threaten that, they try to jail, replace, or “remove” them using their near infinite means. The same ones named in those files likely also own local news groups and can influence local and/or regional news.
Bruh the man has over 7 million in real estate, and taken in over $4 million in cash just from Israel Source literally outranking a senator who is on trial currently for accepting literal gold bars and benzs, but you think he is not in their club, old Middle Class Joe is your contemporary and gonna lay down the law, and the shadowy “they” are trying to replace him after he’s been literally entrenched in politics for the last 51 years. If politics is so dangerous how has he survived so long, if not for being on the inside?
Literally the senator of Delaware known as the corporate tax haven state.
Joe has basically never been middle class. It’s not like senators salaries have gone up a lot but we forget how much inflation has.
That’s still upper middle class lol.
Open secrets link is money sent to PACs. Try harder please
How rich must you be to think 7 million in real estate and a salary of 5 million as president is just fucking middle class?
The lack of relatability to any of the standard working class anymore is exactly why the Democrats will lose and they will deserve it unlike the people who suffer.
And it has nothing to do with one of the worst debate performances in history? Really?
People were already hesitant about Biden before this debate. His performance was a wake up call. And nothing that has been done since has made him look any better.
I’m a straight blue ticket voter. That debate solidified my support. Both are old as shit, but we are stuck with them because our voting system sucks. I’ll choose the non-rapist, non-felon.
I always focus on how I will view my choices 10+ years down the road. I always regretted voting for bush and McCain. Haven’t regretted voting blue since I pulled my head out of my ass.
It’s not the “straight blue ticket” voters we need to be worried about. I’d vote for a Biden with late stage dementia over any variation of Trump.
The worry is that people that don’t always vote, but showed up on 2020 are no longer going to show up because the Trump threat is a distant memory and Biden is such a weak candidate.
And while we all knew Biden was a weak candidate, the historically bad debate performance and everything that has come up since has only shown how truly weak Biden is.
To act like this is all a conspiracy pushed by the wealthy to avoid being taxed and not actual citizens that want a better chance at beating Trump is just silly.
he wasn’t doing well in the primaries, he never has really
Biden did quit well in the primaries. Also, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and the orange felon did bad on their first debates. In fact Obama did horrible. They all went on to win. Biden has the keys to win this. Switching candidates now will throw the election away. Biden has surrounded himself with good people, he has wisdom and experience. He averted a recession and the economy is rebounding impressively. Why throw that all away?
Allan Lichtman, a historian who has successfully predicted the outcome of the last 10 presidential elections, dismissed the calls to boot Biden from the ballot, telling CNN’s Abby Phillip it would be a “huge mistake” to replace Biden on the ballot. , “Republicans have no principles. Democrats have no spine". The story behind Professor Allan Lichtman’s methodology based on earth quake prediction absolutely is fascinating.Biden did quit well in the primaries.
With a little help from strategically timed withdrawals and Jim Clyburn, sure.
Seriously people don’t want to talk about the split votes that collapsed in suddenly all at the same time for near unanimous backing. Or how most of the opponents got cabinet positions except for Elizabeth Warren who kept saying she was gonna be a VP pick for her dedication to the party and got thrown in the trash like other progressive politicians.
He barely won by a special circumstances but he is the best bet for not changing things for the rich and so they won’t possibly let him go without a desperate fight or letting fascists win first.
It actually did. It wasn’t just lies, but he is also losing plot about what he is talking about.
But yeah, I guess that’s not much difference in the greater scheme of things.
And “tongue tied” Is a straight up, fucking lie. It was surprising just how bad Biden was in that debate. You are right that trump seems to be consistently shity and incomprehensible.
The billionaire owners of the media have a vested interest in Trump’s agenda
Vested interest in any government that doesn’t threaten their wealth. Capitalists always thrive in fascism.
Billionaires own all the news outlets
Yeah, this does feel a bit astroturfed, I think they don’t like his promises of increasing taxes on rich and strengthening protections for workers.
And exposure from the Epstein Files being unsealed.
Don’t forget thats how we got Joe in the first place, lost all the first dem primaries in 2020, while the media kept saying don’t count him out because reasons, while literally hiding wins by Bernie and other dems. I wonder where all these people come from that think a confirmed liar Source and has been in politics so long he supported and advocated for segregation Source that raised $127 million just last month Source is somehow being targeted by corporate interests and needs to be protected?
[Donald Trump] May Not Be Good for America, but [He’s] Damn Good for CBS”
-CBS CEO Les Moonves, 2/29/16
And nothing has changed since.
