“Extreme” pride in any country is just nationalism. If we have less of that, then we have gained as a society.
I’d bet that those that are in the “extreme pride” bracket have ratcheted up their pride to ever higher levels.
I’ll be proud of America again when America starts being the place my parents, teachers, etc. told me it was. The place where all are created equal, where anybody can succeed, where you can be anything you want to be, where the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to be free can come to live their dreams.
Right now, I feel like I was sold a bill of goods, and the lie only becomes more obvious with every passing day.
Good. That shit is cringeworthy and internationally embarrassing.
Don’t you want some FREEDOM FRIES???
In a way I understand.
It should be at zero.
I don’t hate being American, but extreme pride? The fuck? Look at even our recent history…
There is a subset of people who will have pride no matter what happens. Partially just through their own ignorance
I fucking love being American. I hold American ideals in high regard.
I hate that people who hate freedom and equality claim to love America and freedom in general. I live in a red state, so I see traitorous flags everywhere I go. But American values hold true.
Pride month in general fills me with a lot of American pride. Regardless of how many antagonistic people there are, those who continue the fight for rights show the true American spirit.
I remember when gay marriage was illegal, which always felt like it was unconstitutional and anti-American. So seeing people celebrate those rights and continue to fight for rights that are withheld, that is America to me.
What are “American values”? And where do they come from? Like why would those be “American” values, over anything else?
"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness” are specifically listed an unalienable rights in America’s Declaration of Independence and could be seen as the origin for many other American values.
The phrase itself is quite similar to John Locke’s "life, liberty, and estate” from Two Treatises of Government written nearly a century earlier. You can look to Voltaire, Hume, or really any other Enlightenment period philosopher or writer of the time to see that the founding fathers were a product of that time, and that the ideas of the century or so leading up to American independence are enshrined as values or rights in Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights.
Calling the values that are supposedly held by Americans “American values” would be accurate even if they were the exact same values held by the people of Belgium. They would also be “Belgian values” if that were the case.
I doubt anyone here would suggest that “American values” were exclusively American.
So really just any values an American happens to believe in then?
No, the collected body of them. Hence the plural.
Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness
Go read the preamble to the constitution. It’s quite different from what the “We the people…” 1776 people think it says. It’s basically what the right would call socialism, taking care of one another when possible.
The first amendment protects the separation of church and state, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, feedback of assembly.
The second amendment protects your right to form a militia if none exist. Which always reminds me of the Black Panthers protecting black voters while armed.
There’s a lot of technical amendments too. But what really gives me American pride is all of those who have continued to push for those rights to be upheld.
That’s your modern interpretation of those “rights” and document. The people who wrote that were mostly slave owners, who believed only land owning men should have any democratic rights. Black people were not even considered humans. Indigenous people were treated as pests. I mean…
I mean the supreme court just rules that it’s okay that they be bribed for their work after the deed is done, and also that the president is arbitrarily immune from prosecution, likely ultimately decided by them.
I love what this country should represent, but the current direction is a disaster.
