Does anyone have proof there is a genocide and can explain me?
Yeah I’m still waiting on these groipers to supply anything of substance to their lame troll attempts from 2020
Let’s buy this guy a one way ticket to Gaza
You see Israel is brutalizing Gaza and somehow it is exclusively Joe Bidens fault. Oh, and people voting Biden over Trump in November, its our fault too, half way across the world making zero decisions about it and the like.
The only good mosquito that bites humans is a dead bug.
"Kill them all ticks, mosquitoes, centipedes and w/e. if it moves kill it.
This is spacehooks and I approved this ad for president "
You can say that all you want as long as you accept you have to vote for it.
Let me put it this way - there’s no justification for what Israel is doing or our continued support of Israel. There’s also no justification for welcoming fascism into the US.
This whole shitshow is a stain on our souls, collectively and individually. It’s all we can do to make the least bad choice, and then work towards it not being forced on us again.
Then we can enjoy some entirely new and unforeseen shitshow to torment us.
It’s shitshows and stains on your soul until you die.
well it seems you‘ll all be voting for it
Welcome to democracy - where the ignorance and malice of the politically uneducated majority force the politically educated minority to make shitty and immoral choices.
It’s better than the alternative, of course - the ignorance and malice of a politically uneducated minority forcing everyone else to support one shitty and immoral choice.
so what are you saying? the majority of US voters forced the government to support the Gaza genocide?
and if not? are we already living the alternative?
Surprisingly, yes. as AIPAC said, they got a 100% ousting of all candidates who were “anti-Israel”(translated to normal speak: against slaughtering Palestinians because Israel embraced the 14 words), this is a very clear democratic mandate to support the slaughter of innocents, so the land can be used for more settlements.
What does it mean: they got a 100% ousting of all candidates…? I am not a native speaker. Who is they?
AIPAC is a very public Zionist lobbying group working on behalf of the most radical elements of the Israeli state. they were founded to help smooth out Israeli US relations after the Qibya massacre in 1953.
Look two words to the left.
That just proves how easily swayed the public is by money. Which makes sense, with money, you can drown out opposing arguments and squash the truth. It’s not really a democracy as long as the Citizens United ruling stands. It’s a plutocracy.
This isn’t democracy. If ending genocide was actually a choice on the ballot instead of two ghouls who both support genocide, I bet most would vote to end genocide. What we actually have is a representative system where we’re told that we vote in politicians who represent us, but in reality they represent the plutocracy and the plutocracy wants genocide.
I bet most would vote to end genocide
That’s curious considering all the polls to the contrary. But spreading misinformation is your primary pastime on here, so I shouldn’t be surprised.
Thinking most people would be against genocide is spreading misinformation?
Considering that most Americans currently support continued aid to Israel, yes. Not that facts matter to you, considering how badly you want fascism in the US.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
I remember pointing out this poll to you before months ago, but you decided to ignore it because you’re like a republican who loves projection. Turns out you’re the one who spends their time spreading misinformation. You’re also defending genocide with your misinformation while calling me a fascist. 🤪
I remember pointing out this poll to you before months ago, but you decided to ignore it because you’re like a republican who loves projection.
Funny, because I remember that exchange, and I pointed out that “Disapproves of Israel’s actions” and “Supports removing aid” are two entirely different things, and supported that with a poll showing the difference between the two. But fascists like you have a very loose relationship with the truth.
Are you voting for time travel so you can travel back to the 1940s, become supreme leader of Israel, and change the 70 years of Israeli domestic policy that has led us to this point?
are you saying that the only choice we have is genocide?, that is sick, twisted, and wholly untrue.
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Yep. Because unlike you, all of us are actually paying attention to what’s going on and know how things work.
We’re not jaded and entitled children that think our every want and need will be addressed and throw temper tantrums and make threats when they’re not.
and so what if we watch a few animal (yes, members of the Israeli ruling coalition have called the Palestinians animals) die in Gaza? it’s good for our geostrategic interests in the region.
Tf are you even talking about?
about how we’re just going to sit, watch and fund a genocide? or the thing about multiple Lukid cabinet members labelling Palestinians as “human animals”? I mean, there wasn’t more than those two points, so not much to get confused about…
Dude. Genocide is happening whether you vote or not. Why not save the LGBTQ+, stop Arabist from abusing America, and help protect women’s rights instead of being smug and pouting that you’re not getting everything the way you want.
The simple fact that by now it’s fucking impossible to not know rust Donald “finish the job” Trump is going to help decimate Palestine.
And the fact that YOU FUCKING KNOW THIS-
Shows exactly what you’re up to. And I’ll call what shit out every time I see it until Evertone see what you’re up to.
If I want to protect LGBTQ+ in America, I need to start offing white guys, if I want to protect women in the US of A, well again white conservatives,
It’s hilarious that you tell me you know what’s up, point out that trump will do it as well (duh), and then come with the same talking points to justify Islamophobia and racism that the alt-right has been using for years! I mean, what the fuck is an “Arabist”?
There is an alternative, it’s not supporting genocide, it’s not sitting at home pretending like the slaughter is innocents is a good cause because “it protects the LBGTQ”, then again the one thing Americans can do, is mock adults as children for being in university, they can paint solidarity with the oppressed as supporting all the worlds evil (like you do here), and then have the gaul to not admit that they are complicit.
At least have the decency to admit that you don’t mind the ethnic cleansing, the slaughter, the genocide.
You just proposed killing people based on the color of their skin as a solution.
What’s hilarious is how you continue the ruse that you actually give a shit about genocide while purposefully not doing the thing that is going to keep it from becoming much worse
No on believes you bud. So just stop.
Don’t use LGBTQ+ and women’s rights as a shield for genocide. Also, what is “stop Arabist from abusing America” supposed to mean?
I’ll use whatever is factually true to illustrate what’s going to happen if Trump is elected. Especially against bots that clearly don’t give a fuck.
whatever you say sweetheart
jaded and entitled children that think our every want and need will be addressed
Yes, how spoilt we are to not want checks notes genocide.
Whichever way you vote, this will continue to happen. Sobering thought, eh?
There are no quick solutions or permanent victories, unfortunately. Which is why civic education is so important, and so frustratingly undertaught.
This isn’t totally true, but it’s partially true. If Trump wins the American election, he will double down support for Israel and completely write off all those who oppose them as terrorists.
Biden is just kind of apologetically supporting them because he’s a weak leader that can’t afford to rock the boat. He does weakly push back often, it’s just nowhere near what we want or need.
If Biden actually wins the election, he may actually end American support. I’m of the opinion he’s afraid of offending democrats and independents that support Israel, thus losing him the election (since he’s barely ahead in the polls.) Most of us are still going to vote for him despite this, because Trump is far worse… You can’t say that about the people who support Isreal.
Biden is just kind of apologetically supporting them because he’s a weak leader that can’t afford to rock the boat … If Biden actually wins the election, he may actually end American support
No, he is ideologically committed to supporting Israel. He has said this multiple times and I see no reason to disbelieve him. I think it’s equally likely Trump would stop supporting Israel because of America First/antisemitism, which is to say, so unlikely as to be impossible.
Yeah, Trump himself has no policy commitments. He’ll say whatever he thinks is popular biased on the last thing he’s seen on television. In office, he delivers bog-standard republican policy because that’s who his cabinet gets filled with.
I don’t see Biden changing his stance on arming Israel. Trump could, but the question is whether would it last long enough to actually affect policy.
Biden is the #1 whore of israel. He’s been sucking their dick for his entire career.
I am shocked and appalled by this grotesque show of antisemitism. Shocked and appalled I tell ya!
EDIT: /s…obviously
I think I could find it in me to justify geocide of the Jem’Hadar.
(Since this is not a Star Trek board: The Jem’Hadar are a genetically engineered race, made by the Dominion. Their purpose is to be ruthless soldiers. They are engineered without emotions, or any care for human-like values, and so they inevitably have no sense of ethics. They are managed in two ways: first, the need for a drug-like protein that only the Dominion can synthesize; and second, a predisposition to recognize the Founders of the Dominion as their slavemasters.)
But any race, even a race with a proven tendency to be assholes, like the Cardassians, deserves a chance.
As for Palestinians, it’s not even close. They should obviously be considered innocent civilians. If I were to make inferences about who was the more evil race based on the current war, I would be much more likely to pick Israelis because of their current kill count of civilians.
But we don’t make such inferences. They’re all humans. They’re way more closely related than Bajorans vs Cardassians. They all evolved on the same planet, are the same species, with a very recent common ancestor. It’s due to their upbringing, education, and circumstances that Hamas and IDF both wish to commit genocide, and it’s due to external funding that IDF has been more successful at it.
The Jem’Hadar were capable of going against their programming once their Ketracel addiction was treated. You don’t need genocide.
You need a revisit of DS9.
Jem’hadar had their own set of internal rules and even disagreements on how to interpret or execute orders. The drug was used to ensure absolute control because they could evolve in a cultural or spiritual sense.
Generally a good take, I just wished you hadn’t used the word “race”, because the concept of race itself is only a thing among racists, and we should not use that kind of language.
The Jem’Hadar were not without emotions. In Hippocratic Oat we see that. I’d argue that the fact that they’re an enslaved race Surely it’s better to be working to break them free of that enslavement, rather than committing genocide.
But then again I think Janeway’s genocide of the Borg was wrong too.
Neat! A multilayered sociopolitical nightmare reduced to a star trek meme to depress voting turnout!
What a great idea. Hey - I bet OP is gonna get some serious . . well, not karma obviously . . um . . satisfaction out of it!
Caring about things besides “must defeat fascism cheeto” doesn’t make someone a shill or a Russian bot. It’s possible to care about multiple things.
I’m on your side, man. I’m on here bitching on “BOTH SIDES” types all day long. I’m voting for Biden (or, on the off-chance he’s replaced, whoever the fuck is put up as a viable alternative to Trump). Voting to intensify genocide, as with a vote for Trump or a failure to oppose Trump with one’s vote, is never acceptable.
It’s just that we also must accept, as citizens, that we bear a part of the responsibility of this mess, and at no point can we look back at this and say “Well, as the American people, our choice to tepidly support genocide wasn’t THAT bad, or geopolitical concerns justified it”
Our choice is dogshit. Even if it was 100% reversed now, it would remain dogshit, albeit much less dogshit than continuing or intensifying it. And we have to square with that on our souls.
Yep I know, sorry. Just took down my rants, I didn’t see it was yours until I got all worked up. Apologies.
We’ve even had an “Evil must be opposed!” moment.
It’s a pitty Bibi didn’t hang himself while jumping off a railing.
I see tenforward is leaking…
I approve.
Much like the federation, it’s their duty to explore and trade culture with far away, strange cultures. Much like here in our c/politicalmemes, a lot is different but there are many similarities to the c/tenforward they call home. They have families, jobs, sometimes get trapped in the pattern buffer, cloned, or stacked by a macrovirus . . Just like here.
The only thing that shocked and appalled Riker was Picard pulling the women he really wanted.
Lul, didn’t even notice this is politicalmemes
Yep, this is definitely Ten Forward. It’s a bullshit dogwhistle designed to help Donald Trump get elected and do more genocide, so it can’t be from Risa, it must be from the crappy one.
No, it’s not. I’d suggest you look into OP’s post history and maybe delete this dumb accusation.
A rabid dog growls when nobody’s whistling, so to speak.
Imagine being so demented that you think genocide is a dog whistle
Hey at least I’m not a genocide supporter like all the people on Lemmy who pretend to complain about Biden’s genocide so they can get Trump to do more genocide
Despite the trolls accusing people here of justifying it- I do t see anyone here is doing that. I’m pretty sure they know this, and this is what makes it hard to call them out for what they are doing. It’s like arguing with Christians.
They just misinterpret your words, rewrite them using their English-to-Troll filter, and shout them back at you once they say essentially the opposite of what you’re saying.
Example:
ME: “of course I don’t support genocide. But not voting for Biden isn’t going to stop it, and Donald ‘finish the job’ Trump is going to be far worse on Palestine than Biden could ever be!”
TROLL: “See! You support gEnOciDe!”
Now, you could accuse me of doing exactly what I’m accusing them of, but I’d urge you to look through my recent comment history. Somewhere between yesterday and today- you can see this exact thing happening.
The point is. From what I can see, NO ONE here is supporting genocide. The ones in other communities that do, get banned pretty quickly. And anyone that is accusing people of it, are proving to everyone that they aren’t here to discuss things rationally- because they’re starting from a complete and total lack of rationale.
Yeah no one should take them seriously. I just feel bad for the real person I dismiss by accident who has legitimate criticisms and thinks the moral thing is to vote for who they like even if that person has 0% to win.
There are just too many trolls though to endlessly engage all of them though just in case some of them are engaging in good faith.
They’re not who they pretend to be, they’re right-wing trolls from /pol or wherever trying to influence the election for their side
Some of them certainly are.
It’s pretty easy to tell by the way they write. The sort of pseudo-clever, meme-y, derivative Twitch-speak you’d hear among gamers and mgtow types, mixed with a feeble attempt to sound like a tankie
Meanwhile:
“I support the Green party.”
“So what you’re really saying is, you think everyone should not vote on election day, or vote for Trump.”
Shut the fuck up troll
Sure but because of my begged question, you’re actually saying something else.
In a perfect world, that option would be viable. However, if you look around- and pay attention, it’s not. And it’s not even remotely close.
I’d be all over a third part option if there was even a small chance they’d succeed. But they can’t. And this isn’t an opinion. Vote third party and yeah- hate to say it but you are throwing away a vote. And it’s not a big stretch to understand how a non vote or a third party vote FACTUALLY benefits Trump.
I fucking hate that this is how it is, but I’d rather live in the real world than believe in my own reality.
You lost me when you lied about non-votes “fAcTuAlLy” benefitting trump. That is a blatant falsehood that assumes people would automatically vote for Biden instead. Your fear mongering and dishonesty won’t win over a single vote.
Read this when you get a chance. It explains it much better than I could.
We have First Past the Post. You support Trump, Biden, or violent revolution – those are the choices
Trump supports violent revolution, just the wrong one.
Nope, that isn’t how math works. A vote for the Green Party is equivalent to not voting at all. Lying about it and stamping your feet won’t change anyone’s opinion. Also you guys always assume the GP voters are a subset of democrats when in reality most of them are not. Most would not vote for democrats if their first choice were taken away.
They’re just a convenient excuse for you whenever Dems lose because it’s easier to blame them than to hold dem leadership accountable for their very obvious and repeated failures. And it’s surely easier than holding yourself accountable for constantly nominating weak candidates. I mean you all got handed fucking Obama and still fought tooth and nail against him in the primary because you’re so scared of even slightly rocking the boat. Dem voters are gigantic cowards and enablers
You will not shame people into voting for Biden, it’s actually insane to see you all trot out this failed tactic yet again
supporting conservative genocide is just another way of saying you love your fellow humas
Maybe we need to take a step back, define herbicide and then go from there
Kinda soundin’ like a tankie here…
If believing genocide is unjustifiable means you’re a tankie, guess I’m a tankie.
No, I was fucking with OP. He posts a lot of anti tankie shit.
This is super hypocritical coming from pugjesus. Yikes.
Posting memes about tankies isn’t committing genocide. He’s metaphorically burning people, not literally.
That’s pretty hypocritical coming from a .ml user.
