• Maggoty@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    The Democrats could stop dropping out of primaries to back conservative cardboard cut outs.

    But no, it’s the voters who are wrong!

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        5 months ago

        More the Democrats that make-up the DNC who control the voting menu.

        Take the case of Howard Dean. Destroyed electorally by the media in 2004, managed to become chair of the DNC, implements the 50 state strategy and Obama wins big.

        Dean was the last Democrat marginally willing to adopt a winning strategy and he was destroyed for it. Democratic Speakers of the House, Party Majority Leader, Whips, Chiefs of Staff all vocally and vociferously against him.

        He only won them Virginia which has been Blue(ish) since. He had the party do outreach in North Carolina and flipped it for Obama. His strategy even won INDIANA.

        He is replaced with Tim Kaine.

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          5 months ago

          On this site it’s kinda hard to tell. A lot of people think that voting should just be checking the box beside the name of someone that agrees with them 100% and then everything instantly becomes they want it to be the day after the election.

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        5 months ago

        No. I’m saying they don’t even run the full primary. They drop out and back the party’s favored candidate. It happened with Clinton and Biden. Voters aren’t being given an actual choice unless you live in one of two states.

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      Cross reference the states the conservative cutouts are winning in the primaries with whether or not they are swing states and number of EC votes, then get back to us. In 2016, Hillary had more votes in AZ, NV, FL, OH. What do you want to happen for that shit, bank it on states like WV (+42 R) suddenly flipping blue?

      Because there isn’t an overwhelming swarm of people voting for anyone who isn’t Repub, the Dems have to chase the reliable voters, who are more conservative.

      It is the voters who are wrong, by staying home election after election or throwing their votes in the trash instead of pushing against the sliding window.

      I don’t like the Dem choices but IDK what the fuck else they are supposed to do once the primaries start. Running the candidate who wins with Dem voters in swing states makes sense as a strategy.

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        Arizona is not a blue dog state. There is a large gap between a mostly progressive democrat party and a batshit insane republican party.

        And it might also have to do with Idaho and South Carolina going first, with everyone else dropping out before super tuesday even happens. Most of the states don’t even get a real choice.

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          I hate how the primaries do that. That is indeed bullshit. That sets up momentum for the rest of the primaries and they aren’t really swing states. So stupid. All primaries should be on the same day.

          While I’m wishing for voting in this country that isn’t dumb as hell: let’s do no primaries at all and STAR voting in the general.