I have no idea if you are a shill or a genuine person
But, there are some behaviors that are bad things to do regardless of which you are:
Recasting your opponents’ views as other ones that make less sense and are easier to argue against, consistently, as a way of muddling the discourse, instead of being honest about what you’re saying and what you are disagreeing with and why, and just letting your point of view speak for itself whether or not I personally would agree with it
Consistently posting a drumbeat of memes in support of your viewpoint (within that same dishonest framing)
I mean, you can do what you want to do. I’m not gonna try to tell you you are or aren’t allowed to say whatever suits you. But to me, saying “fuck the whole US politics join my coalition for positive change we need a level of change that the current system will not allow” would make sense. Sounds great. I actually would be right there in that coalition. Anything from Bernie Sanders to Ralph Nader to someone further out-there who is working for something to produce actual change in some other way.
But if instead of that, you misrepresent the “other side”'s viewpoint “fascism is so bad that we need to resist it even if the other side involves continuing the US’s longstanding policy of allowing some war crimes,” as if it was “I <3 war crimes and genocide”, and post a drumbeat of attack against specifically the least war-crime-friendly big contingent in US politics, I think people will wind up accusing you of bad faith. They’ve got a right to say that too.
I mean, does that seem fair? If you were posting a big stream of memes about how to put pressure on Biden to do more (like, a fuck of a lot more) to stop the crimes, or in favor of some faction that was plausibly able to produce a better outcome, I don’t think you would be getting near this level of derisive responses. But the message you’re sending doesn’t match the outcome you say you want. I think that’s why you are getting these maybe unfair accusations.
Recasting your opponents’ views as other ones that make less sense and are easier to argue against, consistently, as a way of muddling the discourse, instead of being honest about what you’re saying and what you are disagreeing with and why, and just letting your point of view speak for itself whether or not I personally would agree with it
Consistently posting a drumbeat of memes in support of your viewpoint (within that same dishonest framing)
I’m reflecting the bad-faith recasting I see in some other memes here, no more no less. I’m happy peacefully existing without creating any memes at all, but when I see a misrepresentation of my view in a dumb meme by a user that I’ll leave nameless (they can’t defend themselves here right now anyway), I feel an urgent need to lob that turd back at them. I think .world has successfully sheltered themselves from a world-view that challenges a particular self-image, a world-view I happen to share, and I feel an honest need to make my existence known.
At this point I don’t care what the response is, but if my silly memes are enough to warrant suspicion of being a troll then fuck it. I find the very serious democratic pandering around here childish, so i’ll continue matching it with my own childish representations.
But the message you’re sending doesn’t match the outcome you say you want. I think that’s why you are getting these maybe unfair accusations.
At this point I simply do not care. If the only thing that comes out of these memes is a string of activity in the modlog I’d consider that to be a point well-made.
I’m reflecting the bad-faith recasting I see in some other memes here, no more no less.
You are welcome to your strategy, but I think “let’s yell at the people who wee in the pool every day, and tell them not to” is a better solution than “well in that case imma start weeing in the pool too.” You’re still gonna be in a pool full of wee. Why is that success?
Meme’s are piss. They’re irreverent and mirthful and reductive by nature.
When there aren’t any rules against pissing in the pool, the only way to get someone to stop pissing on you might just be to piss on them back.
Sure, I could leave the pool, but that pisser will just pick someone else to piss on, until there’s noone left except the people who enjoy that guy’s piss (or maybe just tolerate it)
I have no idea if you are a shill or a genuine person. But, there are some behaviors that are bad things to do regardless of which you are:
Recasting your opponents’ views as other ones that make less sense and are easier to argue against, consistently, as a way of muddling the discourse, instead of being honest about what you’re saying and what you are disagreeing with and why, and just letting your point of view speak for itself whether or not I personally would agree with it
oh my fuck. this is gold. screenshot, archive.org, federate. put it on a tshirt. use it as a new isntance url.
You said, how could anyone have assaulted this woman (or anyone else involved in this discussion), when I just saw a photo of her, and she doesn’t look pregnant to me.
Sure, I’m the Charlie Kelly in this mailroom. Okay. I wasn’t even gonna bring it up again.
I’m unsure why your favorite pastime is writing 7 paragraph long essays that fail basic fact checks which sole purpose appears to be to defend Joe Biden committing Genocide.
I’m a little skeptical that it’s any kind of productive use of time, too, but someone is paying for organized propaganda operations on Lemmy which honestly is a little surprising to me but seems to indicate that it has an impact on elections to some extent, so maybe me doing work to debunk it is worthwhile, too
I have untreated mental illness that causes me to spend time on it, out of all possible proportion to how much I should spend
I hope it’s not the second because thinking that people opposing Genocide is actually a paid propaganda campaign is dumber than the people who believe there’s a pedo ring in the Pizza hut basement
someone is paying for organized propaganda operations on Lemmy which honestly is a little surprising to me but seems to indicate that it has an impact on elections to some extent, so maybe me doing work to debunk it is worthwhile, too
Let’s say this:
I have no idea if you are a shill or a genuine person
But, there are some behaviors that are bad things to do regardless of which you are:
I mean, you can do what you want to do. I’m not gonna try to tell you you are or aren’t allowed to say whatever suits you. But to me, saying “fuck the whole US politics join my coalition for positive change we need a level of change that the current system will not allow” would make sense. Sounds great. I actually would be right there in that coalition. Anything from Bernie Sanders to Ralph Nader to someone further out-there who is working for something to produce actual change in some other way.
But if instead of that, you misrepresent the “other side”'s viewpoint “fascism is so bad that we need to resist it even if the other side involves continuing the US’s longstanding policy of allowing some war crimes,” as if it was “I <3 war crimes and genocide”, and post a drumbeat of attack against specifically the least war-crime-friendly big contingent in US politics, I think people will wind up accusing you of bad faith. They’ve got a right to say that too.
I mean, does that seem fair? If you were posting a big stream of memes about how to put pressure on Biden to do more (like, a fuck of a lot more) to stop the crimes, or in favor of some faction that was plausibly able to produce a better outcome, I don’t think you would be getting near this level of derisive responses. But the message you’re sending doesn’t match the outcome you say you want. I think that’s why you are getting these maybe unfair accusations.
Look at their user name.
I’m reflecting the bad-faith recasting I see in some other memes here, no more no less. I’m happy peacefully existing without creating any memes at all, but when I see a misrepresentation of my view in a dumb meme by a user that I’ll leave nameless (they can’t defend themselves here right now anyway), I feel an urgent need to lob that turd back at them. I think .world has successfully sheltered themselves from a world-view that challenges a particular self-image, a world-view I happen to share, and I feel an honest need to make my existence known.
At this point I don’t care what the response is, but if my silly memes are enough to warrant suspicion of being a troll then fuck it. I find the very serious democratic pandering around here childish, so i’ll continue matching it with my own childish representations.
At this point I simply do not care. If the only thing that comes out of these memes is a string of activity in the modlog I’d consider that to be a point well-made.
You are welcome to your strategy, but I think “let’s yell at the people who wee in the pool every day, and tell them not to” is a better solution than “well in that case imma start weeing in the pool too.” You’re still gonna be in a pool full of wee. Why is that success?
Meme’s are piss. They’re irreverent and mirthful and reductive by nature.
When there aren’t any rules against pissing in the pool, the only way to get someone to stop pissing on you might just be to piss on them back.
Sure, I could leave the pool, but that pisser will just pick someone else to piss on, until there’s noone left except the people who enjoy that guy’s piss (or maybe just tolerate it)
oh my fuck. this is gold. screenshot, archive.org, federate. put it on a tshirt. use it as a new isntance url.
Mozz around libbing all over the place trying to adhomming every leftist and making sure to push rape conspiracies for israel.
You said, how could anyone have assaulted this woman (or anyone else involved in this discussion), when I just saw a photo of her, and she doesn’t look pregnant to me.
Sure, I’m the Charlie Kelly in this mailroom. Okay. I wasn’t even gonna bring it up again.
I’m unsure why your favorite pastime is writing 7 paragraph long essays that fail basic fact checks which sole purpose appears to be to defend Joe Biden committing Genocide.
Pick 2
I hope it’s not the second because thinking that people opposing Genocide is actually a paid propaganda campaign is dumber than the people who believe there’s a pedo ring in the Pizza hut basement
Don’t make me ask the LLM for a follow-up report on how you’re doing at implementing its recommendations on good faith debating
I’ll do it
Because you dodge questions/arguments faster than Ben Stiller dodges balls
is there any proof of this at all?
Haha, good one coming from you Linkerbaan