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The only thing iOS really does better imo is the quick settings menu
Holy shit it sucks on Android compared to iOS
It looks better, it has more options, it has better overview and grouping
except it’s basically made useless by the fact that wifi/bt toggles don’t actually toggle off their respective radios, but just disconnect from the current network
Yes. Android already does all these things. But I think the things I’m excited most about are not on this list at all.
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A private local LLM. With the on-device context of my notes, messages, calendar, etc, I’m rather excited to have a more personal LLM than ChatGPT.
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Personal messaging via satellite. I love that I can stay in touch with people outside of a cell network.
I’d add to that list. If Siri is 3/4 as capable as shown in the presentation, that’s sick. Android does not have that.
also excited for hands free unlock of smart door locks. not sure if android/google home does that.
A private local LLM. With the on-device context of my notes, messages, calendar, etc, I’m rather excited to have a more personal LLM than ChatGPT.
No need to wait for iOS 18 to have that: https://llmfarm.site/
That’s great, but the fact it’s local and private means it can consume my personal data and be a more personal LLM. This just doesn’t hit that mark.
Did I understand correctly that this is only going to be in the iPhone 15 pro? Because that’s a lot more expensive than a pixel, more than I’d ever spend on a phone tbh.
The satellite im fairly sure is only pro
Satellite is on 14+
We went hiking and tried calling emergency services but my friend’s 14 pro couldn’t get any signal for some reason. Idk what was wrong, me and my friend with pixels had no issues though.
Where do you live?
This was in the LA mountains. Angeles national park
I don’t know. Pixels don’t support call vis satellite though
Satellite messaging is already available in Android 15 beta, and the LLM in the device will only be for iPhone 15 Pro and above, so most iPhone users will not be able to use it.
But there’s literally zero phones which can use it
A private local LLM
Running on a phone? No way, not without being absolutely horrible, slow or making your phone churn through your battery anyway.
Good LLMs are olready slow on a GTX 1080, which is already miles faster than any phone out there
You would be surprised. If you haven’t tried to run a LLM on Apple silicon, it’s pretty snappy but like all others, RAM can be a significantly limiting factor unless the model is trimmed down to do very specific things to reduce the size.
I hear you, but also I would be shocked if Apple were to roll this out and it be an absolutely terrible experience. Like their MO is “luxury” products with “premium” experiences, it would not be fitting of the brand to have a piece of crap experience on their flagship announcement.
I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one.
You might wanna check with siri on that. Apple regularly failed at that even under the leadership of Jobs. And Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs. It’s already looking like it’s going to be just standard remote chat GPT. Hallucinations and all.
apple maps has entered the chat.
Apple Maps was bad, yes. But they had their hand forced. Google started charging for their API (enough to cripple their app), and they had very little time to create one of their own.
That’s not happening here. No one is forcing their hand. If they didn’t release an updated Siri this year, nothing would happen.
But apple maps is much better now lederp.jpeg.
I think It’s running on their “Private cloud compute” platform, not locally (I’m not sure though)
some things are run locally.
It’s not a LLM, it’s a much smaller model (~3B) which is closer to what Microsoft labels as a SLM (Small Language Models, e.g. MS Phi-3 Mini).
https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/introducing-apple-foundation-models
Microsoft’s penchant for making up names for thing that already have names is neither here nore there. It is an LLM, in fact its already twice as large as chatGTP2 (1.5B params).
I do think it’s a useful distinction considering open models can be more than 100B+ nowdays and GPT4 is rumored to be 1.7T params. Plus this class of models are far more likely to be on-device.
It’s a very short list but powerful.
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Surprising no one?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The iPhone’s next major software update will roll out later this year, featuring plenty of AI infusion—Apple Intelligence—plus other quality-of-life improvements across the platform.
At WWDC 2024, Apple announced that iOS 18 would finally let you place app icons wherever you want on the Home screen, freeing them from the stringent rail it was on before.
The iOS 18 developer beta shows that the color accents pick up based on your wallpaper and system theme.
Still, even though Apple quietly announced RCS support this week during its developer conference, Google doesn’t get its victory lap.
On the plus side, messages between iPhones and their green bubbles will be able to share features like high-resolution photos and Tapback animations later this year.
In Android 7, the Quick Settings in the notification shade added editable tiles, which were eventually opened up to third-party app developers.
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Me watching WWDC: “Android already does that.”
Me watching Google I/O “iOS already does that.”
In ten years all phones will be crabs
I knew there was a link between cell phones and cancer!!
nah thats social media
if only i could be as successful as mr. krabs…
They often steal features from each other. Technological innovation has slowed down a lot because of monopolies
I would argue that it’s the nature of having a mature and complex product. Adding new stuff is hard because you have a lot of legacy code / UX that you have to accommodate for. You need to move slower because it’s easier to break stuff in a more mature product.
I’d also argue that Apple and Google’s research teams are generally hearing the similar stuff out of their end users, so it’s to be expected that both companies are going to prioritize similar functionality.
That was my experience when I’ve worked on massive products. The complexity of the product impacts development speed, and shared understandings of user desires results in similar feature sets between competitors.
Windows phone 10 had most of these things in 2015
It had everything except apps.
… and the users
Oof. I felt the heat from that burn from all the way over here
Ouch
Qnx had a lot of features before windows phone in 2013.
I miss Windows phone, still the most intuitive phone UI I’ve ever seen.
Microsoft: “I think we really nailed this phone UI. We should make this the desktop computer experience too.”
Ok my god. I had an Samsung Omnia 7 and I loved the Metro UI.
Remote Desktop to a Windows 2008 Server and try to open the Start Menu by clicking a single pixel in the left lower corner… Shoot me.
My last brand new Pixel phone had debug strings in the user interface and the UI was not responsive. It’s the daily annoyances and details that made me get an iPhone. Comparisons have been stupid since the beginning of smartphones.
Can you elaborate on these problems?
I’m an android user but honestly bored of hearing this shit every single year. “Android already does that” yeah, we know. It’s like having a friend that is constantly trying to one-up you, or trying to steal attention away from you at your own birthday party.
As long as you own the fact that you paid more money for an inferior product because you think it will make you look cool.
I use Apple because it’s easier to manage a grandma and a daughter. Android is great if you’re technologically adept and can install a custom ROM, but I don’t want that freedom for my “users”. Grandma used to have an Android phone for years. I’d have to clean that thing out every few months because she would just click on shit. I switched her to iPhone and now when I check, there’s far less nonsense going on. It’s just easier to be the family admin this way. There are numerous other things that Android can also do, better, and for free, but at the cost of one’s time. It’s a trade off I’m willing to make. I reject the notion Apple is outright inferior; by which criteria? It’s also not about looking cool. Everyone has smartphones and they’re not special like they may have been in the 2000s. They’re the most commodified computer people use around the world. There’s no phone that makes you cool regardless of brand. It’s a fucking phone.
Are you talking about apple copying the features but being a bit late?
Both Android and iOS copy from eachother
Honestly who gives a shit, we are talking about phone OSes. I dont have a strong enough opinion about any of this to care which of them does what first. Use what you like and move on mentally
Been that way for a long long time now.
Yes, but apple will market them better so people will think it’s new .
I know this is an old feature, but do we have the NFC money transfer thingy?
I mean the one where you touch other phone with your phone and transfer money.
If we do I am unaware of it, I use AOSP.
I think Google Pay used to have something similar, until Google axed the whole thing in favor of Google Wallet
… And that is why competition and “stealing features” is always good, being Apple’s or Google’s competition.
Nope. Apple only.
I’m switching to iPhone because Google has let Android languish for years now. Samsung does more for android than Google does for goodness sake.
Apple users get fun and cool updates which is why they love it. Plus best in class photos and videos so they can share photos with friends and family with confidence, as opposed to android which has shit cameras and even shittier video.
Samsung does more for android than Google does for goodness sake.
I agree with you, even when I dislike One UI… I think Google although simpler is more of my liking… But oh boy stock AOSP is so limited that for some users it is even too similar to iOS, with the distinction that you can sideload easier (for now).
Lots of features that Google releases each Android iteration literally have been here in One UI, MIUI, Color OS you name it.
But android doesnt run the llm locally. Can someone please make a foss app that can do simmillar things.
You could use this
The point of a local llm is u can give it access to contacts notes app control fucking everything simmillar to whaf apples done cool app tho.
No phones can run “LLMs” currently because by definition, large.
Some Android phones however can and does run smaller models locally. Gemini Nano runs on Pixel 8 and can run on Samsung phones.
There isn’t a FOSS app, but there is this
Yep, and Android also suffers from plenty of malware within the Play Store. I’d rather a company focus on combating that than worrying so much about minor features.
I’d rather have to avoid malware than to live in Apple’s version of heaven where I can’t do shit with a $1000 computer that I own.
This is a common argument and it always makes me wonder what people mean by it. No ill intent from my end here, I use and like Apple as well as FOSS, but I can’t think of anything I can do on Android that I can’t on iOS. I admit I’m a very basic user though, I prefer to do heavy lifting on a laptop.
I am genuinely curious. Do you have some examples?
Syncthing, Termux [X11], sideloading, a browser other than safari
Wait you can forward X through Termux? TIL.
f-droid, termux, new rom if you want that… not paying $100/y just to install an app you developed(I know you can do that without paying but it’s not without major hassle)
I agree that alternative app stores are definitely a boon and I can’t wait for the EU to nail Apple to the wall over dragging their feet on that. Competition is good and that 30% fee monopoly is bullshit.
There are iOS terminal clients (I like Termius). The ROM thing, yeah… I installed /e/OS on my Fairphone 4 just for the privacy aspect, but functionally it’s not better or worse than what came in the box. There might be reasons to do it but utility-wise I don’t very well see the point in this day and age.
I hadn’t thought of the developer license requirement to run your own software, I personally don’t do that but I can see it being a deal breaker. Thanks for your thoughts. :)
Yeah and it sucks that they are how they are. iOS is a nice OS and iPhone is a damn good device. But these things are just deal breaker for me.
$1000 computer stand*
What about RCS support in the new IOS?
Android can do satellite messaging? Android phone makers are shipping on device LLMs?
I’m not an Apple fanboy nor do I use an iPhone currently but this headline is ridiculous.
Satellite messaging is already available in Android 15 beta, and the LLM in the device will only be for iPhone 15 Pro and above, so most iPhone users will not be able to use it.
Android 15 beta… so it’ll be available on phones, out of the box, without anyone having to build/install a custom, on phones actual normal humans buy in about 2030 then.
But is Android doing the on device LLM already? Because it sounds like they aren’t…
https://www.androidauthority.com/how-to-get-gemini-nano-on-pixel-8-8a-3450466/
Pixel 8 pro already does. I’m not sure, but I think Samsung has something too.
I think Pixel 8 and 8a do too, or at least are capable, since they’re the same chip. I’d check, but I put GrapheneOS on my phone so I don’t have all of the Google stuff.
Satellite messaging is already available in Android 15 beta
Perhaps in software, but I don’t think there is a current phone that has the hardware to take advantage. For now, this is essentially an Apple only feature. It’s a pretty good bet we are going to see some flagships released with it in the next year though.
I know that Pixel 7’s and above support it. There are Reddit posts showing they have the feature already. Satellite messaging is just using standard 4G/LTE from Starlink. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is only an OS update away for most newer phones.
That’s pretty cool, I assumed they needed additional hardware. Thanks.
(For iPhone 14 and iPhone 15 series only)
And? How many android devices can you name that actually support satellite messaging today? When the feature DOES come on the android side, I imagine it is going to probably be flagship devices as well. Seems to be a silly thing to call Apple out for.
Its been on every Pixel since the 7 I believe, I realize that’s only a couple iterations but its out there.
Android phone makers are shipping on device LLMs?
Do people actually want these?
LLM is AI correct? If my phone is going to do AI at all, I prefer it be done on device for sure. For privacy reasons if nothing else. But it’s not anything I’ve really looked into. I have the S24 and the only AI feature I use is the Circle to search… which I don’t consider to be AI.
LLM is a form of AI, specifically the text AIs like ChatGPT that have suddenly made “AI” a dinner table term. AI in some form or another is almost definitely being used in your device - even for things like filling in gaps in low-quality voice calls, and probably has been for a while. But the problem is that unlike those “old” AIs, LLMs require some significant power to run, so running them on phones will probably require meaningful trade-offs. But the increased security is also a meaningful benefit.
Yes, in fact that is the only kind of ai i would ever use and entrust my data with. Not the apple one, but an open source model that is running only on my device and answering only to me; using the data I provide only for my interests? That one I would use.
I bet these LLM models wont be 100% locally hosted. I imagine some form of data will be piped back to a cloud server
Apple’s cloud model is built as secure as is possible with current tech.
“secure” meaning “apple sees all your data”
The data is unavailable to Apple.
Isn’t Apple one of these companies that actually does not sell user’s data?
So? I don’t want apple themselves knowing my data either.
Is that why there are so many celebrity iCloud leaks floating around the internet?
It wasn’t a software issue, but a human issue. People got scammed and gave their logins away.
This system is built so that nobody can access it and they’ve went to extreme lengths to make it so. It’s also available for auditing, it hardware and software.
LMFAO
“It’s a very thoughtful design. Indeed, if you gave an excellent team a huge pile of money and told them to build the best “private” cloud in the world, it would probably look like this.”
- Matthew D Green, cryptography teacher at Josh Hopkins
You can go argue with him if you disagree.
“Android phone makers are shipping on device LLMs?”
…yes?
It either already exists or can be added.
