Ah yes, tankie shitheads coming out of the woodwork so I can tag them. Thanks, OP!
Ukraine and Israel are literally defending the civilized world against the savages and barbarians of the world. And the left has the audacity to criticize how they are being defended
/s?
I practice an obscure form of online performance art and satire. Some say it originated on the Gamefaqs gaming forums after a user got banned for sending nudes of his wife to mods in exchange for shitposting privileges
This is fucking accurate. I am concerned by the number of downvotes.
Israel, Russia, United States, United Kingdom and China need to stop being imperialists.
France looking outside a window, grinning
French Algeria has entered the chat
Belgium, sweating nervously
I know they aren’t anymore, but dear lord is it weird that we all kinda forgot about the Congo
Billy Joel didn’t forget about it when writing We Didn’t Start The Fire. Which, unfortunately, is basically the only reason I know about it…
I haven’t seen leftists defending Russia at all, but have witnessed scores of right-wing Americans and Canadians garbling that Russian D.
I’ve seen plenty of tankies defend Russia M8. Especially on lemmy. What rock are you living in.
Stop the war
How?
I’ve seen plenty of tankies “defend Russia” M8. Especially on lemmy fucking tons of erm
I feel like it’s the same dozen howling assholes.
Me personally fuck Putin and fuck zelensky. I don’t care who wins
Yeah, you lost me there… Last time the world tried appeasing an asshole with conquest delusions in the hope they’d cut it out it didn’t work out to well
There’s 8 billion people in the world. After this war and all the dead there will be 8.2 billion people in the world.
Society is what we have spent centuries crafting.
One side of this war wants to completely destroy society and push further into Europe, trying to reclaim their land holdings from hundred years ago.
The other side just wants to exist and be left alone.
I very much care about who wins
Me personally fuck Putin and fuck zelensky. I don’t care who wins.
Congratulations, you’re who OP is talking about.
Generally what you’ll see is right wing types directly supporting Russia (because they hate gay and trans people) and a certain stripe of leftists who will lean more into “NATO expansionism”, “Western proxy war” and all that other thoroughly debunked nonsense that, while not explicitly pro-Russia, is all directly lifted from Kremlin propaganda talking points.
TIL criticizing NATO is pro russian
It is if you are doing it in a discussion about whether or not Russia should be allowed to enact wars of aggression…
The only way to get that from what I said would be;
A) a serious lack of reading comprehension.
Or
B) intentionally misconstruing in bad faith.
You’re more than welcome to tell us all which it was.
You need two (or more) proxies to have a proxy war and looking at the belligerents and who supports them it’s clear who is who: Ukraine is South Korea’s proxy, Russia the one of North Korea.
I have. Not so much that they are all rah, rah, russia, but because the west is the one supporting Ukraine. They seem to believe russia was, in fact, there to “de-nazify” Ukraine, and other russian propaganda. You know, the country who had recently ousted a putin puppet, then elected a Jewish man in a landslide, was so in need of a russia to fight the nazis that have over run the country.
I really hated the word tankie when i joined lemmy, it felt like it was thrown around too much, but then i really started seeing “communists” “critically supporting” Russia, despite being a far right shithole, like you only need to see who where the allies of Russia in Europe, weeks before the war started they were meeting with Meloni from Italy, Vox (fascist far right) from Spain and similar parties from other sides of Europe. Some communists are so in love with the idea of the USSR that cant really see that Putin is just your average far right dictator.
Thankfully in Spain you dont see this happening as much as in some lemmy communities.
They’re not communists. If you suggest a communist revolution to them (that is, a revolution resulting in a stateless, classless, moneyless society), they’ll call you an idiot.
No one in either of those instances have any place calling anyone an idiot.
There’s no difference between fascism and communism and never was.
I mistakingly thought tankies were kind of phoning it in, like they don’t really believe this nonsense they’re just bored right? Woof
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
Unfortunately Podemos has taken the position of opposing any policy that helps Ukraine in their defense effort, framing an attitude that only leads to maximizing Ukraine’s losses as “anti-war”. At least most people in Sumar haven’t fallen to this fallacy.
Eh, i dont know the point of your comment, but just to clarify, Podemos is not a communist party, altough it is supported by some communists / has some communist in the party. Sumar as a whole is even less to the left than they are, despite having also some parties inside the group that could be considered communists. Its not true that Podemos is against anything that helps Ukraine, they are all in for a cease fire and for an end to the war through dialogue which should be done from the EU mainly, the same way they are in for a cease fire/end of the war in Gaza, what they are against is spending billions of euros that are needed here to send weapons and war vehicles to Ukraine, the same way they do not support sending weapons and war vehicles to palestine nor no one expects that to be the position of any party here.
If Russia is willing to continue the war as long as they’re making gains (and Russia is making gains as long as they control foreign territory and intend to keep it), refusing to military support Ukraine means supporting a scenario where Russia will have effectively violated their sovereignity, which in turn further incentivizes imperialist countries to attack their neighbours as they’ve just seen they can get away with it.
You can keep gaslighting yourself into thinking that you only need words to convince Putin to leave Ukraine, or for Netanyahu to leave Palestine, or for Jeff Bezos to give up his privileged position in the capitalist hierarchy, but the vast majority of the world will keep their feet in reality and understand that some people are fundamentally selfish and must be forced into no longer committing evil.
Just lol, go fight in the war yourself against Putin and Netanyahu then, also good mental gymnastics making a relation in fighting against nuclear powers that will ensure mutual destruction vs fighting against the capital and billionaries like Bezos lmao. You might want to reread the whole thread also just in case. See ya.
I’m in a small leftwing party in Portugal whose roots go back to the fight against dictatorship which was mostly done by Communists, and when Russia invaded Ukraine I had to come up with a framing to help some of the older members understand it since they were instinctively siding with Russia (I basically just compared it with the invasion of Iraq by the US and reminded them how they felt about it).
People back 50 or 60 years ago were just indoctrinated into Communism as young people (understandably in a country which was under a Fascist dictatorship which included censorship) and still today in their mind space they have lots of “undeniable truths” which they accepted long ago without any critical thinking and which they never really examined, and specifically in my country were “Communism” was mainly the Soviet Union variant, a lot of those “truths” are about how great Russia is.
Mind you, this being a party other than the local Communist Party, and thus were even the older Communists were people who were not in the actual Communist Party because they disagreed with them (so a thinking kind of Communist rather than mindless tribalists), I did manage to turn around the few who had instinctively sided with Russia. The local Communist Party, even now (after that country turned into basically Fascism) are still pro-Russia.
I bet this kind of inflexibility of people is how the world could end.
Well, the funny bit is that those old guys were still flexible enough to change their minds when a suitable framing of the thing was presented to them, by which point they recognized it all as the more generic scenario of “aggressor attacking victim to take their shit” and made their opinions based on what their principles were on that kind of thing.
I would say the problem here was tribalism: they were predisposed to believe, support and excuse the aggressor because they felt, due to long ago experiences and indoctrination that “they’re our people”. Fortunatelly these specific people were open minded and intelligent enough to be able to step out of that and consider the whole thing from a detached point of view.
Plenty of tribalists are pretty much religious fanatics when it comes to all those “acquired truths” and the truthfulness, trustworthiness and wisdom of whatever the tribe’s leaders say.
IMHO, tribalist is by far the greatest problem, though I would agree that it and inflexibility are deeply connected.
Yeah, I mean, over the years, I’ve gone far left enough that I believe that capitalism must be dismantled as it’s incompatible with democracy. I’m not exactly conservative. But good god, some parts of Lemmy would make me out to be a Gilded Age Robber-Baron for calling out Russia as an imperialist fascist state. It’s insane. And exhausting. I hate dealing with it.
Luckily, it’s not nearly as bad as it was back when Grad and Hexbear were still federated.
But good god, some parts of Lemmy would make me out to be a Gilded Age Robber-Baron for calling out Russia as an imperialist fascist state
I’ve been on Lemmy some 8 months I think and I’ve never seen anyone do that. I have seen plenty of Ruski trolls spamming “don’t vote genocide Joe”, but I haven’t really seen anyone pretending to be for the Russian side in the Russo-Ukrainian war.
Maybe your instance defederated with them already.
Oh they’re still around. I have about a dozen tagged. But lately with calling them out they’ve crawled back to mainly posting in .ml instance posts.
Tankies aren’t leftists.
Tankiesb are authoritarians with anti-USA/anti-west coating.
Tankies have less hesitancy calling more libertarian leftists and liberals “fascists” than the various flavors of the modern far-right, because “Stalin’s definition of fascism”.
I’m not familiar with this one.
I’m moving around online leftist circles for more than a decade. First I wanted to have some unity with tankies, but I had to slowly learn that it’s a futile attempt, with the main issue being their idea of unity being total assimilation.
First of all, just like their authoritarian-right counterparts, don’t play by the rules, but expect other to do so, except it’s only for the libertarian-left (or anyone who’s not as authoritarian as Stalin). This leads to them forming online (and from what I’ve heard, real life) spaces to their liking, usually with the intent to turn what they call “moderates” into “full-fledged Marxist-Leninists”. If you don’t they will bait others to harass you, usually by finding something in your past. Often they also work in tandem with far-right groups by providing anonymous information to them, and register accounts to their forums (kiwifarms etc) to get help from them. They often managed to even manipulate the discourse around social causes, they singlehandedly managed to remind people that “spook” also used to be an anti-black slur (they got really angry at egoist leftist memes), and part of the reason why some online leftists are sometimes terminally online about loli/shota (around that time, they really wanted to cancel sex-positive leftists en masse, consensual-noncon also got a hit but that wasn’t really part of a fandom that needed a “safe space” for right wingers, hence the frequent cooperation with the right).
One of their greatest display of “manipulating the rules” is their constant redefinition of authoritarianism into “the will of the people” rather than “a hierarchial system of power formed around a select number of people, whom must be submitted to by the rest of the people”. On some level, authoritarianism is “will of the people”, but tankies (likely intentionally) forget that dictators having pet projects and banning things they don’t like isn’t the same as liberation of the people who often want to free themselves from those strongmen, and not replace them with someone who promises to be kind. This is not their only use of the “redefinition game”: they often like to redefine porn as something inherently exploitative, while promising general sexuality will be fine, then they proceed to act in ways people who define porn as “an ungodly act of perversion”, but pretend they’re doing it in favor of “progress” rather than saving the masses from the eternal burning fire. On paper, “authoritarian social justice” sounds good, but in practice it can be only be done with things that are “concrete”. You can stop people from denying the holocaust, you probably could also stop social media accounts calling all LGBTQ+ people pedophiles, but then there’s the issue of sexual objectification in media, which will be on very shaky grounds, and should not be put into law. China put a lot of effort into trying to regulate it, but other than tankie puriteens on Twitter, no one likes it, and often gets workarounds.
Sorry for my personal ramble here, even forgot why I was answering your comment, but the TLDR is that the auth-left and auth-right have way more in common than the auth-left and lib-left, which is especially sad since capitalism itself is a form of authority around wealth.
I think the problem with tankies is that they let their perception of what is “pragmatic” and “realistic” poison and overpower their true ideals, which tends to steer them towards authoritarianism. So scared of losing, that they lose themselves in pursuit of victory.
I think the exact opposite is true: they use the excuse of pragmatism while arguing exactly in favor of what they idolize. It’d be more convincing if their concessions to anti-socialism advanced or preserved leftist causes, but largely that’s simply not the case. What you described is the exact problem some Anarchists have, where they idolize praxis to such a degree that they argue against making optimal moves in favor of keeping themselves ideologically pure. Anarchists sometimes argue against voting on principle whereas Tankies will argue that you should vote for the newest ML party. The ML party will decry not doing enough for workers, propose nothing of substance, and call Biden evil for helping Ukraine resist Russia.
Huh.
It took me a while to sort out that meme, then it suddenly hit me - I’ve not only succeeded in eliminating the tankies from my Lemmy experience, but have done so so effectively that I started to forget that they even exist.
At this point, the only people I see trying to defend Russia are a handful of angry right-wing morons who have bought in to the propaganda spread by Russia’s assets in the GOP, and they’re few and far between.
my lemmy main has the longest blocklist of any of my fedi accounts. it’s great.
Everyone I don’t like is a nazi Russian
Not at all.
For instance, I also don’t like petulant techbro libertarians with political views that are warped by their desperate, yearning need to try to compensate for their inferiority complexes.
why you have inferiority complex?
This is damned inspiring. Blocking all these tankie twits.
My god I love this comment section. It’s the first non-pro-USSR interaction I’ve seen on Lemmy
Avoid lemmy.ml if you don’t like pro Russia shit lol.
User block, activate! :-P
instance block, activated! :-p
Upvoting, but I do not admin my own instance, so can only block the instance as a personal user, which means e.g. that they can still mass-downvote me if they so choose. :-(
Also I can still view their comments everywhere, I just don’t receive a notification from them anymore if someone replies directly to me, and I could replace my individual per-community blocks with the one instance one for them all. It is nowhere close to “eliminating” them altogether, even though it does cut down on the aggravation a lot.
But I know what you mean, and yes I would like that! Do you know of any instances that blocks those big 3 Axis powers? I looked last week among all the most popular ones listed at that fediverse explorer site but could not find a single one that does. Even Kbin.social only blocks 2 of the 3 but not lemmy.ml…
Oh, lol. I thought you were talking in generalities on how to block tankies. I wasn’t being specific to you.
Plus their alts on other instances, b/c knowing that they have been blocked, some users seem to have decided to evade our intentions. “No means no” is a weakness, according to those for whom consent means little (or nothing), so terribly sadly, that many of us would rather choose the bear than that…:-( (/s but you know what I mean:-P)
It’s even better - by invading Ukraine to steal their territory and mineral wealth Russia is quite literally behaving as an Imperialist nation, something confirmed by their own Propaganda which talks of Ukraine as something “which was always part of Russia” as well as by their interference in the internal affairs of other ex-Soviet Union nations such as Georgia.
Imperialism isn’t limited to only conquering far away lands, even if that has been the most common form of it in Europe and for the US, and the Soviet Union itself can be considered an Empire, having been formed by Russia conquering other countries whilst maintaining control over several vassal nations.
Communism is just as Imperialist as the rest - it’s only the style of Propaganda justifying the conquest of other countries that differs - which explains why it’s so easy for the “Communists” who are mere parrots of the Soviet or Maoist propaganda (rather than independent thinkers) to side with Russia’s Imperialism.
Russia has been an expansionist force for centuries - long before the October revolution. There’s various explanations for this such as Russia constantly feelings vulnerable due to the vast plains to their west without any natural Geographics barriers. But instead of forging literally any true alliances or building any soft power with the nations in that area they just constantly antagonize all of them. The one country they have on side is Belarus and that’s because they have to constantly prop up its leader against the will of their people. No good will, only force.
The current former Soviet countries in that area have the distinct memory of living under Russian control during the USSR and shockingly - want no part of it again. So they join NATO. Voluntarily. To the tankie if someone wants to join NATO, no matter how rational their reasoning for doing so, it must be because the CIA and “the West” tricked them into it. Smaller countries and the people who live there never have any agency.
After the USSR , western political discourse was full of talk about whether NATO is obsolete. Russia did everything possible to prove that wrong.
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Lol You’re using some creative coloring books
Next your going to say Russia isn’t trying to steal our precious bodily fluids.
Your knowledge of history appears to be…imaginary.
by invading Ukraine to steal their territory and mineral wealth
ohoho. I advise you to take out of your head the porridge of the propaganda of the American government. It is the United States that is the bloodiest empire in the world, and its manual NATO military unit is the bloodiest military unit in history. And this bloc, among other things, is constantly expanding in order to seize new lands and take away part of their sovereignty from their governments in favor of the US dictatorship
I really hope that was sarcasm…
Poe’s Law is a real bitch, ain’t it?
You should change it to tankies instead of leftists.
Nah, the mask is off. It’s clear that a lot of people who are obsessed with tankies just hate the left in general and use tankies as a proxy.
I keep hearing this but I almost always see the word used correctly for communists supportive of authoritarianism
You’re literally looking at a post with the word “leftists” to talk about people who support Putin, do you really not think there hasn’t been a slide of what “tankie” means to the point that now some people like OP will use it indistinguishably?
The use has expanded but I haven’t seen it used as a general term for the left, if that’s what you mean.
The term is now extended to describe people who endorse, defend, or deny the crimes committed by communist leaders such as Vladimir Lenin,[9][10] Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. In recent times, the term has been used across the political spectrum and in a geopolitical context to describe those who have a bias in favour of anti-Western states, authoritarian states or states with a socialist legacy, such as Belarus, Cuba, China,[4] Syria,[11] North Korea, and Russia. Additionally, the term pejoratively describes political activists who are said to have a tendency to be favorable towards non-socialist states and political groupings with no affiliation to socialism if they are opposed to the United States, regardless of their ideology, such as Iran or Hezbollah.
Can be pretty vague but doesn’t really label all leftists as tankies, rather those that are authoritarian or apologists for authoritarians. Last part is pretty vague though, but I haven’t seen it used like that iirc.
Ironically, they’ll call you a “lib” for holding any position in between “we should revoke Obamacare” to “it’d be nice if we could organize more unions”.
The point is it’s tankies (and Trumpers) that defend Russia, not people on the left side of the spectrum.
But I thought tankie (and not just authoritarian or some other word) meant leftists (specifically communists) that are pro-authoritarianism. I’ve seen people often saying that tankies aren’t leftists but to me it just seems like they are, but just the shit kind. Would be a lot nicer not to share even the vague space of “leftism” with them but I think there’s not much to be done about that.
What can be done is to start calling them tankies instead of leftists.
I think that’s already being done, it’s just they don’t call themselves tankies that often so people who don’t know as well get confused
Nah, people who support authoritarianism can’t be leftists or communists by definition. Marx defined communism as stateless. There’s no such thing as a communist who supports the state.
The stateless communism is the end state and I think many authoritarian communists still (at least claim to) believe and want that, but they are fine with authoritarianism of one sort or another while building towards that end goal. Marxism-Leninism is like that I believe.
There’s a lot of currents of communism and leftism that are fine with authoritarianism as a “temporary necessity” or some other justification like that. I think both Marx and Engels wrote about that.
I feel like left-wing is similar sort of vague grouping as right-wing that it incorporates both authoritarian and anti-authoritarian views and ideologies.
But their actual plan for the socialist state “withering way” amounts to pixie tears and fairy dust. People who theoretically want leftism but have no plan of action to achieve it are just liberals.
But their actual plan for the socialist state “withering way” amounts to pixie tears and fairy dust.
A lot of people say that about communism in general. There’s quite a few prominent leftist ideologies that are utopian and I wouldn’t use that to claim they’re not actually leftist.
People who theoretically want leftism but have no plan of action to achieve it are just liberals.
I don’t understand how that would make it liberalism. That’d just make them impractical or utopian or maybe even half-baked but I see no reason to claim they’re not leftist. “Leftist” isn’t a guarantee of quality in itself, after all. It’s just a vague grouping of very distinct ideologies.
I’m not entirely sure about this one but wasn’t Marx’s ideas also at least somewhat without a proper plan of action since it was rather a vision of things to come than a guide?
Marxism-Leninism isn’t about authoritarianism, the idea of a vanguard party composed of intellectual revolutionaries that guides the broader people to revolution, isn’t authoritarian in and out of itself, as much as anticommunist leftists try to smear it. It’s about understanding the usefulness of centralization and coalition in a wide front that shows unity in action. That doesn’t go against democracy.
What a ridiculous and reductionist thing to say. Marx and Engles strongly and frequently criticized anarchists, instead taking the position that after the revolution, the state would need to be maintained under a “dictatorship of the proletariat” at least until the social conditions that created it had been changed, at which point it would gradually “wither away.” Of course the end goal is a stateless society, but it’s plain as day in his writings and his opposition to anarchists that he believed it was necessary to use the state to achieve the necessary conditions for that end goal. Regardless of what you think of it, that’s just a historical fact.
Yeah, Marx was a fool sometimes.
Fool or not, he was, pretty indisputably, a communist who believed in using a state to achieve his goals.
OP should, but the entire reason he posted it was to pretend that anyone to his left is a Russian sympathizer, and to try to discredit anyone who opposes genocide elsewhere.
And for the record, fuck Putin and fuck Russia.
OP should,
Oh, so now you’re in favor of me calling people tankies? Curious, because you’ve repeatedly complained when the label is applied. Almost like this is agreeing with someone in bad faith.
But of course, you would never do that, right? :)
Why, it’s almost as though you call everyone to your left tankies regardless of their actual politics.
lmao, sorry for having respect for anarchists and my fellow demsocs but not red-painted fascist fucks.
You have no respect for anyone but Netanyahu.
You have no respect for anyone but Netanyahu.
Fucking hilarious, considering the things I’ve said about Israel in general and the Israeli right in particular. But I suppose you’d have nothing to say if you didn’t have blatant lies at hand.
Fucking hilarious, considering the things I’ve said about Israel in general and the Israeli right in particular.
Considering the sheer hatred you have for anyone who says that Biden should stop supporting genocide, the things you say about Israel are in doubt.
I’ve also found ensign crab will speak in such round about ways that you have no idea what he’s saying, and then he can take either position depending how it goes.
Unfortunately, as people in this thread show, even non-tankie leftists can be sucked in by Russian talking points.
Best separate them to help out.
I’m reading a different thread than you then.
Do you ever punch to your right? You claim to be so far left but only punch left.
Ok so obviously this is anecdotal evidence but my personal experience with this is that the people who support Russia are pretty much all right wing. The farther to the right they are , the harder they’re buying into Russian propaganda.
I haven’t seen actual support from the left in real life, but more some sort of vague both-siding and “understanding” and stuff like that. And that’s come from both left and right (not center-left or center-right), but as a minority opinion. Old Stalinists, some left-wingers closer to the left side than center, then some right to far right. I think for the left it might also be the heritage of USSR alignment and peace mindedness. For the right, I’m not even really sure. Some sort of “anti-West” in the sort of “anti-globalism” sense which make you go hmmmm and then there’s been some pretty sus financial ties.
I strongly suggest seeking out professional help because you clearly live in an alternate reality.
The name people usually use is Finland but your name is good too
Ikr, I have yet to meet a single leftist that supports Russia in its current form.
cause a loss for the west is a win for the third world. its not russia that has been couping, invading and generally fucking with most of planet earth.
you can’t fuck us for a couple of centuries then expect us to be on your side, we will take a status quo thats less bad.
The fuck planet are you on?
this one. study your own history, you have been continuously killing brown people nonstop for what? at least 50years now?
And Russia literally teamed up with the Nazis and only fought back because they were stupid enough to get betrayed. Russia has a pretty colorful history if you wanna get down to the nitty gritty of things.
you need to study some history then.
they literally defeated the nazis at great cost to themselves. buy yhey were socialist back them, different times.
Seems it is you that should study history. Russia fought the Nazis once Hitler turned on them.
The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in August 1939. It was publicly a non-aggression treaty, but it included a secret protocol in which eastern European countries were divided into spheres of interest.
From here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
you do realize this treaty failed, because nazis invaded them anyway and the soviet union defeated nazi germany?
understand the context in which you are saying this before equating the soviet union to modern russia.
understand the context in which you are saying this before equating the soviet union to modern russia.
Awfully similar if you ask me. ✔️Dictator then and now. ✔️Russia choosing to invade their neighbors instead of allying with Europe for the common good ✔️ Russia working secretly with their allies to carve up Eastern Europe
If it looks like an orc, and walks like an orc…
Every time you people equate the Russia Federation with the USSR, you’re telling on yourselves. The government completely changed, the current one destroyed the old one, and the only continuity is the location and the people. So if you equate the two, then it sounds to me what you’re really saying is that Russian skull shape or whatever makes them inherently inclined towards violence regardless what form of government they adopt. Which begs the question, what is your ultimate, you know, final solution for this apparently genetically inferior race?
Wtf are you even fucking on about? Who the fuck even hinted anything related to what you just posted.
How are the USSR’s actions relevant to the Russian Federation?
Wow, reading is hard.
you have been continuously killing brown people nonstop for what? at least 50years now?
Would be more like 200 something, no? Since the inception of the nation, basically, right? Edit: actually, scratch that, it would be before the nation was even formed, as soon as the colonies were first beginning to be settled. I think before that they were generally too low on the totem pole and too weird as far as strange religious sects to go around and kill people, but I could be wrong.
I haven’t killed any people.
its not russia that has been couping, invading and generally fucking with most of planet earth.
lol
lol indeed
Laughs in Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia, Moldova
No, no, that’s just Defending Their Historical Interests, or whatever the fuck fascist simps wearing red say nowadays.
laughs in every other country in the planet including mine. the entirety of africa and south america sends its regards.
what russia does pales in comparison. they don’t have that reach.
So that makes it okay
Russia is currently extorting and corrupting African countries. Enjoy it.
not close to the extent europe still is. i will take an improvement, tyvm.
Well, it isn’t an improvement.
Unless you believe Imperialist Russia, which are known all over the world for their propaganda.
hahahahah look up the west’s influence all over the globe. look inside first.
Congratulations, you have the most brain-dead take on this entire thread.
likewise. look up your own atrocities before accusing others.
You can’t “likewise”, they only called you out, it isn’t even a take.
what else can i say about such an ignorant take?
Ironic.
agreed.
Nice what aboutism. Not like russia did just as many atrocious things, but keep pretending. Just makes you look like a russian troll, not like a “third worlder”
Isn’t that what you’re exactly doing, but now flipping it on me?
nope. i’m happy to announce my country has commited no atrocities outside its own border.
we haven’t imposed our shit on anyone else, and we are slowly healing from it as far as yours will allow it.
nope. i’m happy to announce my country has commited no atrocities outside its own border.
Ha, damn you must be so far up your own ass you believe your countries propaganda.
There isn’t a single country in the world that didn’t commit atrocities at some point in history.
Please tell me I am wrong by stating your country.
Op’s a tankie and I’m not defending him, but I’m pretty sure there’s some countries/cultures that haven’t done anything outside of their own borders. One example that I know of, unless I’m forgetting something, is Romania. Always been on the defense, never the aggressor, afaik. Pretty sure some island nations are the same. Maybe some African ones as well. Some native american and australian as well, I think.
did you even read what i wrote? thanks for teaching me the history of my own country.
maybe do this less and we wouldnt have this problem.
Russia has messaging for useful idiots on the right and messaging for useful idiots on the left. To the right they’ll say stuff like “America should stay out of foreign wars”, “we should make Ukraine pay for the assistance”, “the price of oil will go up” blah blah. To the left it’s shit like “Ukraine are Nazis”, “America is perpetuating this war”, “NATO are the aggressors” blah blah
The goal either way is to sow division, doubt, demoralise, create instability, create distrust and sap European & US power’s resolve to support Ukraine. And also to devalue information with false, misleading and contradictory information. It’s not hard on social media to see how this shit spreads around with insincere actors pumping false news and misinfo into the feeds that gets picked up by the useful idiots.
Extremist opinions and people on all ends of the spectrum are dumb and never right. The earlier a person realizes that, the better.
I am a member of the terminally online left. And I can assure you my stance is that Russia can get fucked.
I’m now considering “terminally ill leftist” as something not to be recovered from, not something that will cause your termination.
I am not terminal, nor ill in my political outlook and desire to see all of my fellow countrymen, And all people on earth, survive and thrive.
The point here is that all sides have a majority that hate russia but each side chooses to think of all the other sides as being in support of them despite clear evidence to the contrary. Of course many of those reds really like russia.
Yeah I’m a socialist and agree with a lot of what Marx wrote and no fucking way do I support anything Russia is doing in Ukraine. Tbh I’m disheartened that Russia hasn’t suffered more severe internal consequences for this illegal invasion. Ukraine has every right to fight and retake its sovereign land, including attacking assets inside Russia.
I do feel bad for the Russian people in general, but that’s not because of any politics, I feel the same way about Palestinians, Sudanese, Haitians, and the people of Myanmar. Anyone suffering under the tyranny of small dick leaders.
Agreed
Some people’s minds just seem to reject the idea that you don’t have to lick any boots at all. They’ve come all the way from the western boots and at the far end of their journey just went “ooh, new boots!” and just got down on their hands and knees and got to work.
If history has taught us anything, it’s that fascists sure have some shiny shoes.
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If that comprehensive worldview leads people to defending russian imperialism, they really seem to be big dummies or just inhumane scum. It’s actually pretty simple.
Dude I think we should be supplying warships to the fucken Somalian pirates to fuck with the Chinese and even I can tell you are incapable of having a comprehensive worldview.
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Marx reference in username? Check.
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Claims to have a “comprehensive worldview”? Check
Made comments in favor of recent russian actions? Check
Fucking lol.
Comprehensive boot licking.
Actually that’s how you can tell the difference between a progressive and a tankie
I mean… I wouldn’t put it past some of us to lick Bernie’s boots. At least he deserves to have spit shine boots lol
That’s always the issue though, you shouldn’t expect any politician to always have the right solutions, and why cabinets are needed. That’s also kinda why small government is an inadequate recipe for the complexity of human life.
It’s definitely a lie that you need conservatives in your political offices though
It’s definitely a lie that you need conservatives in your political offices though
100% they don’t have the monopoly on brain power or good ideas… It’s absolutely about who you surround yourself with which is partially why I don’t care about Biden or his age, I know he isn’t like Trump where Trump is just going to surround himself with “yes men.”
He would at least insist on paying you a fair wage for shining his boots.
