The new vaccines generate lots of profits for the pharma. Therefore, what incentives will ALWAYS there be for the owners and creators of the vaccines? Would or could they ever reveal that some vaccines, especially their own, especially the newest ones, may be harmful to people in any way? That they could cause delayed negatives consequences and side-effects?
This may not prove that they are or may be indeed harmful. Nonetheless, the incentive of hidding the information about this exists.
I admire your brave attempt at writing in a second language.
I think you should watch this video. The orgional paper linking vaccines to autism was specifically made to further the authors ambition. He lied and withheld or manipulated data in order to support his work.
Drug companies go through extensive trials before bringing vaccines to the market. So who do you believe? Extensive peer reviewed studies or one guy clearly furthering his own agenda?
The new vaccines
Retvrn To Tradition! Only get the flu shot from 10 years ago. Don’t get the one that’s been selected against the current flu strain.
Therefore, who, or ironically WHO, has all the incesitves to always try to prove that all the negative data about the newest vaccines is a lie?
Or maybe they have an incentive to use proven health care technologies that deliver effective treatment, because epidemics are bad for everyone?
The autism fear stems from the historical use of Thiomersal as a preservative.
the autism fear stems from one quack asshole intentionally skewing data for profit, then granola hippy moms holding him up as some bastion of truth, Which then evolved into right wing idiocy of medicine bad (until they are sick and think it could help them (which by then its probably too late) )
Hey hey hey!
Don’t be dragging granola into this fuckwit-ocracy. It’s a perfectly reasonable low effort breakfast for those of us that are unable to cook for ourselves because we can’t find our arses with both hands for the first hour of semi-consciousness in the morning.
And yet he tried really hard to make people believe it was just the one vaccine causing autism, so he could sell his other, worse, replacement vaccine.
While I agree in general with your post, there must be a valid reason why thiomersal is no longer allowed in vaccines inside North America and Europe. It’s not only because of a quack doctor.
The autism fear stems from a grifter doctor.
And is the dose of mercury in the old vaccines enough to do cause such effects?
Probably not, but exposure is cumulative.
Modern vaccines with mercury used in the 3rd world are not considered to be a high dose.
The multi-dose versions of some trivalent and quadrivalent influenza vaccines can contain up to 25 micrograms of mercury per dose from thiomersal.
50 micrograms/litre of blood is considered dangerous.
But the point being examined here is perception. Not actual danger.
cumulative
hmmm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/
Thimerosal does not stay in the body a long time so it does not build up and reach harmful levels. When thimerosal enters the body, it breaks down to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate, which are readily eliminated.
and
Influenza (flu) vaccines are currently available in both thimerosal-containing (for multi-dose vaccine vials) and thimerosal-free versions.
the point
how much is needed to cause autism?
The point is to not be half-ass your way to middle ground fallacies. When you promote this muddying of water, you’re doing their work.
how much is needed to cause autism?
Mercury has been identified as a risk factor. There is no Xmg=autism answer.
This risk was recognised because Thimerosal is no longer used in USA and EU.
I’m not muddying anything. I’m showing where the original fear stems from. I can state clearly that there is no need to have autism fears with modern vaccines.
The original fears are much more complex than that. Fear isn’t a pharmaceutical thing that you can read a paper about.
That was one of the original proposed mechanisms to explain how the (obviously false) autism was caused.
But since then, since thiomersal was removed, other ‘causes’ and moral issues have been invented, including cells from abortions.
The one that makes me laugh the most is that it’s terrible that the poor poor baby is exposed to so many illnesses (measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, notovirus, rotovirus and more) in such a short space of time, it’s no wonder the poor dear’s immune system is compromised. And then the same mother drops the kid off at daycare and exposes the poor dear to all those viruses and more - and live viruses at that.
There is no bleeding logic, just feels. And they get so angry at the fake harm that medicine is causing, and simultaneously actually causing real harms to real people.
All the information available to us now and yet all people care about is if someone the Internet likes them.
While I hate what the internet is becoming because of AI, and I dread what’s going to come from the better systems down the road, and all the people who will be utterly lost as they fall in love with their phones, I am wondering if just maaaybe these LLM’s will be able to satisfy some people’s desperate craving for attention and acceptance with simulated social circles and virtual supportive communities and give people at least some kind of outlet or if nothing else keep them out of the way while the rest of us make progress.
Specifically, the survey asked them to assess the accuracy of the statement that the CDC has said there is no evidence linking vaccines to autism.
That is an such a poorly conceived question for a researcher to pose. I don’t even know what else to say tbh.
I shake my head.
Im almost positive that Andrew Wakefield has caused more harm to modern medicine than any other person in the last 200 years.
His human megaphone, Jenny McCarthy, isn’t much better. No one heard of him before she advocated for his findings to be mainstream.
Don’t forget Oprah who amplified the idea now than they ever could have done on their own
and got Dr. Oz his start in daytime TV.
The Four Horsepersons of the Horseshitalypse.
There’s a correlation between wearing socks and athlete’s foot. Socks cause athletes foot, clearly, and so we shouldn’t wear socks when wearing shoes.
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You wear socks…. With…. Sandals?!?!?
E’eryone, git your pitchforks!! They’re coming to force you to wear SOCKS WITH SANDALS!!!
socks with crocks
Alright. I got nothing. You win.
enjoy shopping at walmart.
If wearing Crocs with socks is wrong, I don’t want to be right.
My all-time favourite graffiti I’ve seen in the wild is “Don’t touch my croc socks”. Sound advice.
Hey. Be comfortable. if you’re comfortable in crocs and socks…
i’m more laughing at the suessian rhyme. “would you wear crocs with socks… and a fox?”… "WHAT MOXIE! I would not, could not, should not wear crocs with socks… not in a box, not with a fox… "
Amen, brother! I have long freed my feet from the prison that is the sock!
That just seems like a practical cost cutting measure for a squid.
Meanwhile, shoes for cloven hooves are custom and they cost a fortune. And I need four. :(
True. Also, buying five pairs of socks at once gets expensive.
So I can walk on uneven surfaces. Duh.
I think the air gets colder the higher up you go, so maybe that?
duh…they cause magnetism not autism. /s
So thats why everyone with Autism is magnetic
That explains why I repel people.
But only other autistic people, right?
Can we convince people that Andrew Wakefield, Jenny McCarthy and RFK, Jr. cause autism?
(I don’t believe there’s anything actually wrong with being autistic, I have multiple autistic people in my family. I just think that would be amusing.)
(I don’t believe there’s anything actually wrong with being autistic, I have multiple autistic people in my family. I just think that would be amusing.)
there’s probably a less tenuous correlation there, though. just saying. Granted, correlation is not causation, but, eh… yeah.
I know, but imagine all of these people in this ludicrous panic suddenly thinking Wakefield is the culprit for autism…
Can we convince people that Andrew Wakefield, Jenny McCarthy and RFK, Jr. cause autism?
Not autism. They cause death.
For the idiots who avoid vaccinating their kids because “it causes autism,” death is preferable. Consider that they would rather take that risk than be put in a situation of having to parent a neuroatypical child.
This is what always got to me the most. Even if vaccines caused autism, wouldn’t that be preferable to your kid dying? Like, what the fuck is wrong with these people.
If their child isn’t perfect (by their standard of perfect), it’s worthless.
Narcissistic parenting.
Steps:
- be (usually born) rich
- have an agenda
- use your wealth to accomplish it
- lie, cheat, steal, do whatever you have to in order to “win”
Did I leave anything out? :-P
You forgot step 5: once you have won, change the rules so nobody else can play anymore
Damn, now I’ll never be a billionaire! 😂
Eh, you’re still on time. Wait (checks papers) no, sorry you aren’t. They just changed the rules.
It’s okay, I’ll live.
Wait no, I just checked the rules, none of us will. Oh well.
Carpe diem baby! :-D
Carpe noctem
Okay (1) FUCK YEAH, but also (5) did you just change the rules there - are you a billionaire? Or just (d) viva la vida loca:-P.
Carpe jugulum
Being a Kennedy is more likely to cause lobotomies.
I’m collecting vaccines like infinity stones. I’m going to unlock complete autism.
And you know what happens when you unlock complete autism? That’s right: you gain the power to create your own vaccines, making you capable of reaching even new heights.
Is that what the anti-vaxxers refer to as shedding? They’re shedding vaccine particles everywhere as a community service?
I’m already autistic, what’s it gonna do, give me a software update?
i already have
Oh, you’re autistic? Name every time someone said you don’t look autistic and that everyone is a little bit autistic
plus you get amazing hair
hbomberguy did a fantastic video debunking these claims. Now if only the antivaxxers would actually watch it instead of staying in their own bubbles.
Link to the video, since no one has done so yet. Warning: this video is 1 hour and 44 minutes long, and if you’re anything like me you will want to watch hbomberguy’s entire catalogue afterwards.
Penn and Teller did a fantastic demonstration on Bullsh!t (I wanna say 15 years ago?). The only real flaw in the demo was when Penn pulled the “autistic” pin out at the start, because that child would still be vaccinated and thus safer than the unvaxxed group.
Obviously, hbomberguy is just in league with the vaccine cartels.
And don’t forget his allegiance to Sobek.
I just wish it had less zany YouTube BS. I’d like to send it to my mother, but there’s zero chance she would take it seriously.
oh they loooove YouTube videos, trust me. Just not THOSE videos
Bold of you to presume they ever cared if they were wrong.
The fact they think they can definitively state this just proves they don’t actually care about science.
Can I have the smart autism please
Sure, make sure to go back in time so that you aren’t overestimulated in your environment, don’t get bullied until you suffer an anxiety disorder, and have someone inspire interest in you for something capitalist society pays well for.
yes come to my house
Only if you’re smart anyway since autistic people have the whole distribution of capability represented. Then being smart isn’t enough. You also have to be resilient, lucky, and privileged (not enough systemic factors outside of systemic ableism to wash you out in a psychological and logistical pincer attack), and also lucky again to get past the many societal filters that block most autistic success and create the illusion of some unicorn like uniqueness in all visible versions of autistic success.
Aspergers is still a stony route.
And the tech school I got a degree from now hosts courses on “Reiki healing” and “Crystal healing”. America is fucking doomed.
I met a nice lady at the dog park, we vibed, she was into reiki and tarot, I dipped.
So, the universe is like a video game but the lesson is morality. Long story short, i have met the antivaxers and i understand. They are dishonest people. I dated their daughter. They will not listen because they’re arrogant. They will face horrors until they learn their lesson. The point is, this is a morality problem, not an education problem. Nothing will save them but their own misery you’re honestly trying to prevent.
I’d say it is ,at least partly, an education problem.
Sure, education is less likely to correct a deeply engraned false belief, but education is one of the most effective tools to prevent the lies, misinformation, and manipulation from taking hold in the first place.
However, like most preventative measures, it will take a long time to see results.
OK, if you can educate them early, yeah. However, these folks were homeschooled. They were elitist and arrogant.
Widespread homeschooling is definitely problematic.
Yes, but i bet you don’t know how bad homeschooling is. It’s one of the few beliefs i share with the left that homeschooling is bad. It’s so bad that when people defend homeschooling, they get the objections wrong. Homeschooling fails so socialize children, and homeschooling advocates say that means children have no friends. Nobody says that. It’s so embarrassing. I dealt with homeschool kids and they’re fragile and weak.
If i was on the left, i would cerebrate this like crazy. They are scared and they’re running away and what’s more their making their children weak.
My friends family is a bunch of trumpers, she’s apolitical and vaguely socially liberal.
At her graduation party, they hung up a HUGE Trump banner. It wasn’t already up, they put it up before most people started showing up. Fucking insane.
Sounds insane. However, mother nature will correct their attitude problems. Just wait patiently.
So the same behavior as the folks of the rainbow flag then?
Shut the fuck up fascist.
That’s a leap.
Just give the option to be injected with a vaccine or with chlorine. Watch the numbers drop spectacularly.
Something of a selection bias on this experiment, as you’re not going to make the wrong choice twice.
I would choose the vaccine.
