The “and more” is the worrying part. They’re telling us that some of the things they are adding are not ‘features’. So then what are they?
Ads, probably. That’s the trend these days. More and more ads, in everything, everywhere - just really probing the limits of tolerability.
And AI, screenshots
Its not that 10 is more popular, its that 10 is less jacked up. Start jacking 10 and we’ll all go back to 7
When I saw yesterday that M$ was doing a new beta for win 10 my first thought was “Well people don’t want to switch to 11 cause of the garbage we keep adding? Let’s see if we can get the same garbage in 10, then they will be willing.”
Willing to what? Adopt a penguin?
Switch to 11
Not 8?
If you wanna go 8, go ape
Start jacking up 10 and we’ll all go to Linux
Millions already have
Windows is not a serious OS anymore.
Microsoft made a big mistake with Windows 10: it basically works fine.
That’s when an operating system is supposed to do. They make mistakes when they make it worse. Usually, the operating system starts worse and eventually gets tolerable. That happened with Windows 10. Initial versions were far inferior to Windows 7, but now it’s at a pretty good state. Windows 11 is a pile of fucking garbage. There is no compelling feature in Windows 11 that would make anyone want to upgrade. There are compelling reasons not to upgrade, such as advertising, menus that require more clicks to get the same shit done, forced use of Microsoft account, etc.
There’s also the fact that Windows 11 refuses to run unless you have a handful of specific hardware in your computer, such as TPM 2.0, and a relatively modern processor. There is no technical reason for this requirement, it was discovered very early on that if you override the check it will install and run just fine. But Microsoft seems determined to get people to throw away their older but still perfectly good computers.
That is a very big part of why Windows 10 is still so popular. If you have a computer from six or seven years ago that you’ve upgraded once or twice, it’s probably still perfectly good. No reason to throw it away for Windows 11 when you can keep on trucking with Windows 10.
I personally am quite grateful that my computer doesn’t meet the requirements, because that means I won’t be stealth-upgraded like happened with 10.
My wife’s laptop was upgraded during a “maintenance window” one night. Now to downgrade I would have to wipe it clean and reinstall everything and restore backups… Too much hassle and then maybe it will be upgraded again. Bios doesn’t allow disabling tpm
I was at a win 95 launch event for pc sellers back in the msdos era. Microsoft sales pitch was “put windows on the comps you sell and we guarantee your customers will keep coming back for upgrades”. Shit hasn’t changed 30 years later.
Same was said about Windows 7 as people protested the switch to Windows 10. New telemetry, aggressively forced updates, and other factors made Windows 10 a nightmare for many. Yet now, when Windows 11 is even worse, people start thinking of Windows 10 the way they thought of Windows 7.
Essentially, Microsoft can make Windows worse and worse for as long as the previous iteration is better and people got used to it.
That is exactly how I felt back then. Waited as long as possible to switch to 10 from 7 but then got used to it. Honestly I still think 7 was better. But no fucking way I’m switching to 11 with the way things are going at Microsoft.
Usually Microsoft would have 1 good release then 1 release that is shit. Seems like it’ll be straight shit from now on.
That’s what they’ll try to end now with buggy feature bloat shoehorned in.
Nobody wants new features. If they wanted new features they would have gone to W11 already. They just want less bullshit.
My set up comfortably plays cyberpunk at dead fancy settings, but doesn’t meet the system requirements for windows 11.
Yeah, I’m going to rub out windows 10 as long as I can (although I dual boot Debian anyway).
That’s why it is stubbonky popular.
rub out Windows 10
Whatever is your kink, bro.
I mean, I did mean run but also, yes, windows 10 is hot AF.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
And last November, Microsoft decided to release a fairly major batch of Windows 10 updates that introduced the Copilot chatbot and other changes to the aging operating system.
Per usual for Windows Insider builds, Microsoft may choose not to release all new features that it tests, and new features will be released for the public version of Windows 10 “when they’re ready.”
One thing this new beta program doesn’t change is the end-of-support date for Windows 10, which Microsoft says is still October 14, 2025.
Microsoft says that joining the beta program doesn’t extend support.
Beta program or no, we still wouldn’t expect Windows 10 to change dramatically between now and its end-of-support date.
We’d guess that most changes will relate to the Copilot assistant, given how aggressively Microsoft has moved to add generative AI to all of its products.
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It’s almost like they’re trying to make people switch to Linux and kill PC gaming altogether. Luckily gaming on Linux has come pretty far.
I really wish the anticheat co.panies would get their stuff working on Linux. I know anticheats aren’t 100% effective but they are necessary, if you think it’s bad with them imagine without.
Which anticheats aren’t working in proton? Iirc the major ones work.
https://areweanticheatyet.com/?search=&sortOrder=desc&sortBy=status
At least 132 games that theoretically should work, but because of bad/broken implementation don’t, and 28 games where the linux community has been told explicitly to f- off.
I was a late switcher as I had to wait for gaming support. Once I saw what the steam deck was doing and how amazing proton is, I pulled the trigger. It gets better all the time too, sounds like Nvidia users are finally gonna be getting proper Wayland in like less than a month too! It’s been so smooth I was able to convince my wife to use it too. She LOVES Minecraft and after I showed her Prism Launcher she was sold.
I love it, please keep destroying windows and let the holdouts suffer. Linux is the way
I’d love to go to Linux, but I use so many apps that are only available for Windows.
Other than Adobe shit. What apps do you need that can’t either be replaced by a native app or ran in wine?
Lots of proprietary apps for work. No-go for me.
Personally i would use a vm to seperate work from Personal shit.
Is one of those “features” CoPilot? Because I did a search for it on my Windows 10 installation, and found several small bits of it, including a directory called “Microsoft CoPilot.” It looks like a placeholder for a full installation, later on. I’m guessing Office 365 put it there.
So they’re ending support but will use the remaining users like test guinea pigs.
Great…
This is called the “RedHat CentOS” strategy
So no change whatsoever then? Ever since it released windows 10 patch testing has been “release to end user and see what the complaints are.”
Probably a sad attempt at adding “shiny” features to get people to upgrade to 11 once updates are no longer published for 10?
“We’ll get people hooked on these shiny features, 90% of which are not interesting. Then we’ll pull the update rug from under them. And bingo, they’ll upgrade!!”
Probably more like, “we’ll make Windows 10 indistinguishable from Windows 11, at which point people will have no reason to stick with Windows 10” (unless their computers can’t update to Windows 11, like my laptop)
Or maybe I’m just showing that I know nothing about how updates work and that I perhaps shouldn’t be commenting in a technology community…
Your last paragraph probably applies to me too.
Technically win 11 has the same main version number to win 10. They’re essentially different UIs with extra features in 11. There’s no technical reason why anything in 11 can’t be backported to 10 unless it requires a TPM (maybe)
Even 11 doesn’t require a TPM if you know what you’re doing.
They’re going to add things that make it worse and slower until you finally get fed up with it.
No fucking thank you, I have long since completely neutered my pc’s ability to update. I updated enough to install drivers and get it stable, and that’s it. I don’t trust windows.
So much effort to just keep using the same shitty piece of software.
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If it really was less effort to move to Linux, a majority of people would have already.
Oh yeah, because the customer is always perfectly knowledgeable and rational. People absolutely never spend more money to get an inferior product.
Have you tried Linux recently (or at all)? Most distros hold your hand. If anything, most of them hold your hand more than Windows. The installation is very easy, and it doesn’t bug you with a Microsoft account, MS Office, or One Cloud. It’s not trying to sell you a bunch of shit you don’t need because it’s not profiting off of you. You just select what drive you want to install it on (assuming you have an empty one) and let it do it’s thing, and you’re done.
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So if you don’t have a clue, do you buy the expensive yet inferior product for ease of use, or spend hours learning stuff you don’t want to, to get the free, and better product?
If you are willing to learn how to hack Windows to work the way you want it to, the better solution is to switch to Linux. The person I replied to is knowledgeable enough to disable his computer’s ability to update. They are not an average user. Any user who can manage what they did will have a trivial time switching to Linux.
No, no Linux distro holds your hand like a OS that comes preinstalled on your PC.
No shit. It holds your hand more than what this user did, and it holds your hand more than installing Windows, which you’ll need to do for 11 to switch. It being pre-installed is exactly the same as someone installing it for their parents, or whatever you said in your other comment with a negative connotation.
I don’t know why people always need to boil things down to what the absolute dumbest least technical user who doesn’t have help can do when they weren’t what’s being discussed. This was a user on Lemmy who has modified Windows to not update. They are spending more effort to stay on Windows than it’d take to switch to Linux, like I implied with my first comment.
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I feel like all of your arguments are just from your experience only.
Personal experience and those that I’ve heard and seen, sure. As are all of our opinions. I saw the other day someone using Debian (I think, maybe it was another distro) while avoiding the terminal. You can’t even do that with Windows.
96% of people haven’t, because they don’t want to.
That is not an accurate statement. The vast majority haven’t even considered that there’s another option, besides Mac maybe if they’re aware of that. It’s like saying 99% of people aren’t billionaires because they don’t want to be. They didn’t make a choice.
For your car analogy, I agree with it. It’s pretty accurate. The issue is this person was doing fairly serious maintenance of his automatic car. He wasn’t just driving it around because it’s easier. They spent time gaining knowledge and experience because they’re automatic was breaking down in a way the manual wouldn’t have had issue with. They wouldn’t have much trouble making the switch.
So why is it manual cars are disappearing if it is the better way to drive? Well a few reaons: While easy to drive, it is hard to learn, and there is alot to learn, don’t ride the clutch, how to start moving on a hill, how to start smooth, you have to constantly be changing gears in traffic, more prone to bad shifts, the car requires more attention, ect, ect.
Then why does most of the world use manuals? Automatics are mainly a thing in the land of bald eagles and school shootings. Across the rest of the world the manual is still more popular. The fact that so many people can only drive automatic tells me that maybe some of those people shouldn’t be on the road, and that maybe Americans are too dumb to drive real cars.
We live in a reality where Linux is more popular, just not on the desktop. Most smartphones run Linux, and do most smart appliances, servers, and embedded devices. So no Linux isn’t harder to use, desktop distributions not run by giant corporations are harder to use for some ineffable reason. Really Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Debian and so on all need to take a page out of Linux Mint, Chrome OS, and so on and become more user friendly.
I am the user above, and the writing is on the wall - I am aware that I will need to switch to Linux when I can no longer make w10 work for me, or when it is no longer supported by the games and programs I use.
The reasons why I don’t switch now are more complicated. I use a Lenovo Legion Slim 5 as my daily driver, as I was in an accident and can no longer sit at my desk with the pc I built. This laptop is on a rolling desk over my bed.
Anyway, while some Lenovo laptops support Linux, this one does not, and my reading tells me that I may have difficulty with certain things. I may have trouble with drivers for the graphics card, I may have trouble with adjusting the monitor brightness or the second monitor, I may have trouble with sound. or even the keyboard.
There are github pages devoted to helping with utilities to fix many of these problems, but they definitely require troubleshooting, thinking, and planning.
I have also had a friend who recently switched to Linux, who tried to stream a game for me. Before he switched his streams were flawless, this time we spent a while figuring out how to get his game audio, then the stream quality was abysmal, freezing, and in the wrong resolution, so he played while I googled solutions he could try on the fly.
Streaming games through discord on Linux is apparently a whole thing. That more than anything keeps me on win10, because I cannot play most of the games I used to play, they require too much movement, so my husband or friends will stream for me.
I am hoping things become easier as more users join Linux before me.
This is all a long winded explanation that I am sure you didn’t ask for, but I just wanted to let you know that sometimes even people with a somewhat good grasp of tech have reasons keeping them from switching.
I’m sorry to hear about your situation. It sucks the some systems aren’t supported. It’s very rare, but I guess you may be in that small group. I’d bet some people could help you make it work, but it may require extra effort. The great thing about Linux is you can make almost anything work if you put in the effort, but if the tools aren’t already made that’d mean doing it yourself, which probably isn’t an option.
I’m not trying to say Linux is right for you, but Windows does not care about you either. They are leaving everyone behind if they don’t follow along. I wish you good luck and good health!
Another great ploy by Microsoft to increase Linux adoption.
I just dual booted Linux Mint yesterday when I was reminded of the Win 10 end of service date, and hope to keep with it as my main system.
Linux has come a long way with compatibility since I last tried it ~10 years ago. The fact that Steam games ran perfectly without an evening of configuring settings blew my mind.
Honestly my ability to game has what has kept me out of linux. I trialed PopOs a while ago. I will more than likely switch to it when shit starts getting super annoying.
Gaming on Linux works like a charm now
It’s the multi-player side that is still an issue though. The anticheat software is a pain.
Some multiplayer, but not all. Not that that makes it perfect, but I’ve had minimal issues with multiplayer games. I do not play popular FPS games where anti cheat software is prevalent, so that’s mostly why. I did get Ghost of Tsushima the other day, and that is not compatible for online play, but I think that’s because of Sony.
Personally I’ve had zero issues with multiplayer. But yeah, I’m also not playing the latest twitch shooters and whatever.
This is good news to me since I don’t play twitch shooters.
I’d love to run just Linux, but I don’t want to hassle with dual boot for the couple of competitive shooters I do play.
It sucks because all the other games I play would run without a problem.
It’s already super annoying, and this is what people always say. What’s it going to take in your case?
As of right now? It’ll probably be the drop in support next year. While I have my complaints about Microsoft or any major corporation, for that matter, I’m not the most tech savvy. If Microsoft were to come out and say support is extended, I’ll stick with W10. If they come out with an OS that allowed me to pick and choose what software I wanted and didn’t load it with a shit ton of bloat ware I’d be all over that like shit on velcro. I know these are pipe dreams, and I will most likely move. For now, I will stay the current course until it’s time to jump into the Linux pool and learn how to swim.
On Nobara you can just double click .exe files and they open perfectly with winetricks. Absolutely bonkers.
This is with an nvidia card too, 0 issues 0 config needed
That’s really awesome.
Does an old version of Ms office like 2010, 2013 or 2016 work with this?
according to a quick search yes! not able to torrent it rn to verify however.
I set up a second SSD with Bazzite for dual booting, but it’s not practical for me to use as a daily driver yet. I have a Nvidia GPU, and the drivers just aren’t up to par with their Windows counterparts yet. I could tolerate not having HDR, but also not being able to use 2 monitors with different refresh rates at the same time is killing me.
There’s an update in the works that should fix at least the multi-monitor problem, but still no HDR.
Did you use bazzite with gnome or kde? If I recall correctly, kde plasma 6.1 has support for multi monitor with different refresh
I’m on KDE. It’s quite an odd problem. If I keep them both set to refresh rates below their max, things work fine. However, if both monitors are set to their native refresh rates, the higher refresh rate one goes blank and the lower one starts flickering. If I disable the lower refresh rate monitor, I can set the higher one to it’s max without issue though.
Essentially, when I’m booting into Bazzite, I need to either disable my second monitor or halve my refresh rate or it’s unusable.
I’m on Arch KDE and have and Nvidia 2080ti. I can’t run Wayland. Otherwise I run 3 monitors, 1 an ultra wide at 120hz. I haven’t had any issues.
Interesting. If you have some time, might be worth trying to live USB boot drive of something like fedora desktop kde spin or pop_os cosmic DE just to see if the issue persists for other distros.
I’m theory this should be working now, it’s too bad it isn’t. My desktop is a 4 monitor setup that I’m hoping to move to a fedora based distro as well.
Pop_OS was the first distro I tried before coming to Bazzite. Cosmic sorta worked, but was overall worse… No flickering there, but eventually, a few minutes after logging in, the desktop would freeze. Completely unusable unfortunately. I think Bazzite is fedora based iirc? I don’t know, this is my first attempt at anything beyond putting Ubuntu on old laptops.
Ya bazzite is based on fedora with an immutable file system, so it’s called fedora atomic. Fedora atomic then has variants like bazzite, universal blue etc.
I’m curious if the baseline fedora desktop would have the same issues.
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/kde/download
Multi refresh rate on monitors is a relatively new thing for Linux so bugs are still being ironed out. It sucks that things like these are still not at parity with windows but it’s improving.
Do you know if Nvidia Surround works? I’ve been gaming with a tripple monitor setup and would really like to keep it.
That I don’t know, I only have two monitors and they’re totally different sizes so I haven’t looked into it, sorry!
Do Ubisoft and Blizzard games run? I keep reading praises about Steam but I am more concerned with the other launchers
Blizzard games have always had good linux compatibility. Might change now that they’ve bought by microsoft though.
As for ubisoft games they probably run too, launchers are a pita but they do run, you’ll need something like lutris, bottles or heroic launcher to get you started running shit outside of steam, they’re not necessary but they make things simpler.Afaik Steam has a compatibility layer (Proton) which makes the games run on linux, because the SteamOS which is running on the Steam Deck is Linux. There is Wine you could use for games outside Steam, or you could also try running them throuhg Steam.
Now I have no experience with any of this, but plan to set up Linux dual boot at some point and this is my understanding of things. Somebody better suited will probably chime in with mire details
There’s the new UMU launcher that allows running proton outside of steam. Winehq also works fine by itself, at the end of the day proton is just a fork of wine with a few patches and relies on plenty of shared components like dxvk and vkd3d.
They usually do if they don’t use kernel level anti cheat. But it’s a bit more complicated than Steam. There are guides online. It’s manageable but it’s not “click play and you’re done” like steam
I just wiped Windows from my drive yesterday and committed to Fedora after dualbooting for 15 years…I’ve been maining Fedora for a while and always kept Windows around “just in case”, but never actually seemed to need it. This recall/AI spyware was it for me though. Gaming has been a breeze for a while on Fedora/Linux due to Steam/Proton…such a great feeling to finally be completely rid of Windows!
It is malware, not software.
