US president’s remarks to Time magazine about PM’s role in conflict draw heavily critical response from Israeli government

Joe Biden has said that there is “every reason” to draw the conclusion that Benjamin Netanyahu is prolonging the war in Gaza for his own political self-preservation.

Biden made the remarks about the Israeli prime minister in an interview with Time magazine published on Tuesday morning, drawing a sharp response from the Israeli government, which accused the US president of straying from diplomatic norms.

Netanyahu’s popularity plummeted after the 7 October attack by Hamas, which exposed serious flaws in Israeli security. Most political observers say Netanyahu would lose elections if they were held now, and would be forced into opposition, facing court hearings on corruption charges. But elections have been put off until the war is over, or at least until major military operations are deemed to have been completed.

Time asked Biden whether he believed Netanyahu was “prolonging the war for his own political self-preservation”.

“I’m not going to comment on that,” the president said in response, but added: “There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion.”

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    Straying from diplomatic norms

    You fucking monster you’re straying from humane norms you genocidal bastard. Times like this I wish there was a heaven and hell cause his dumb ass would be shocked when god’s like, you capping right fam. You ain’t getting in here.

    Also, Biden can’t speak about leaders killing people to satiate their people’s need for revenge either. 95% of US wars have been unjust and wholly disproportionate.

    Swear to god man I’m a damn dumbass but the way the world runs is heinous and it’s like most people do not give a damn. I’m finna start breaking shit myself because why the fuck not.

    Barclays Bank in Manchester, my city, got smashed to shit this last week or so and it makes me happy that people are taking more direct action than I can. If I was retired or wouldn’t get fired for being arrested I’d be out there breaking shit too. Perhaps, there are more discrete disruptive actions I can do. Would like to get involved in some hacking type shit but not sure where to even begin. All I can do is boycott and march.

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        If he stopped supplying weapons, the war would stop as Israel wouldn’t have the resources to continue the war on its own.

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          The US is not the only country who sells weapons to Israel. And, Israel manufactures weapons too. Having fewer super-cool missiles isn’t going to stop them from using the huge stockpile they already have.

          What a ridiculous American concept that everything revolves around you.

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            It’s mostly them, though, with a bit of contribution from Germany.

            I’m not actually sure if being cut off hard would stop them, what with Netanyahu’s personal freedom in the mix, but it would hurt a lot.

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              Nope. The German government stopped issuing weapon export licenses within days. Some stuff arrived that needed licenses but is completely useless in a genocide (training ammunition, artillery charges (not rounds but the propellant part) going to industry for testing), the rest is almost certainly useless in a genocide: 5000 Panzerfaust 2. Kind of hard to deny them that export as they happen to own the producer and Hamas, last I checked, doesn’t even have tanks and as they’re shaped charges they really only are sensible to use against hard targets.

              We still do export plenty of dual-use and non-weapon military equipment, though, those have lower export requirements. Helmets, replacement parts for radars, suchlike.

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                  I don’t know what you know. But since you lead with “bold take,” I’m going to pass. You’re not interested. You just want a fight.

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              Because the military industrial complex is the ruler of the world and our elected leaders are just for show?

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                Oh I see now… Biden is “striking a difficult balance” between his support for genocide, and his public image of not enjoying it.

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                  You completely diregarded the article. Not that I expected you to read it. You asked why and here’s the answer.

                  Legally, the U.S. can’t cut Israel off completely. Since 2008, the U.S. has had to weigh all arms sales to Israel and other countries in the region against the requirement that Israel maintains a “qualitative military edge” against all enemies, both state and non-state actors.

                  The Biden administration in late April decided to pause a shipment of 3,500 “dumb” — aka, unguided — munitions that officials expected Israel to use in Rafah: 1,800 of those were 2,000-pound bombs and 1,700 of those were 500-pound bombs. U.S. officials were particularly concerned about the 2,000-pound bombs and the impact the massive weapon would have in a dense urban setting.

                  In announcing the pause, Biden for the first time acknowledged that civilians had been killed by these weapons in Gaza.

                  “Civilians have been killed in Gaza as a consequence of those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centers,” Biden said on CNN, referring to 2,000-pound bomb. “I’ve made it clear to Bibi and the war cabinet: They’re not going to get our support, if in fact they go on these population centers.”

                  The bombs were approved by Congress in 2021. They had been licensed by the administration, manufactured, and ready to be shipped when the order came down to pause the movement.

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        The US president is literally going around his own Congress to ensure the Israelis are always well stocked with weapons during their genocide.

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        You don’t think the military support, and the diplomatic cover for Israel that the US provides at the UN (100% within Biden’s prerogative) has any influence on the situation?

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        But Biden, The American President, could at the very least abide by American Laws in regards to aid. Isreal has been in violation of the FSA for decades and this genocide breached the Leahy Law months ago.

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              Biden cannot unilaterally stop providing aid to Israel without Congress. The allocation of foreign aid, including military assistance to Israel, is governed by laws and appropriations passed by Congress.

              Please don’t misinterpret my lack of finger pointing to be support for Israel. Biden certainly could take a more outspoken position.

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                Both of those laws are in fact laws. Things that can only be passed by Congress and the President working together. If Congress does not repeal them then the President is still bound by them. The current Congress can appropriate as much money as it wants for a genocidal regime. According to the FSA and Leahy Law it should sit right in that bank account and never get sent to the genocidal regime.

                Biden has all the legal cover he needs.

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                  I’m not sure it’s that easy… but I do agree a lot more could be done. If even just a “temporary suspension” until further investigation.

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    which accused the US president of straying from diplomatic norms.

    Not “it’s not true”, just that it’s not polite to say.

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    Biden pretending to care.

    Like a husband who hits a wife again and again and always say “next time I’ll be better, believe me”.

    And then he hits again

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me

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      you know he’s a) not prime minister of israel b) not in charge of israel’s military and c) not in congress, which apportions funds, right?

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        He certainly is the President of the country sending weapons to Israel with multiple laws expressly forbidding him from sending weapons to a genocidal regime. (Leahy Law and Foreign Service Act)

        The FSA actually says they can’t send any assistance to a government that, (among other things), engages in prolonged detention without charges. Something Israel has done for decades.

        We have the laws. We just need the Moral Fiber to fucking use them.

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        Uwu joes just a widdle pwesident wearing a diaper held on with a giant safety pin, he can’t do anything to stop the genocide…

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        Yeah…as commander and chief of the US armed forces he’s completely powerless in stopping the flow of US weapons to Israel.

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        He’s bypassed congress multiple times to approve weapon shipments to Israel btw. Just a cool little fun fact.

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        You know that Biden can (and should) invoke Leahy law against israel which blocks the export of all weapons to a country committing war crimes, right?

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    Later on Tuesday, Biden appeared to tone down his criticism of Netanyahu. Asked whether Netanyahu was “playing politics with the war”, Biden said: “I don’t think so. He’s trying to work out a serious problem he has.”

    Every time he starts to give something halfway close to a good response to something insane happening in Gaza, he walks it back within days.

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      almost as if he’s a world leader and doesn’t want to get into an international crisis with a nuclear power who is bombing palestine. who’d have thought that he was actually smarter at geopolitics than some random person on social media.

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        Oh hi again. Look up “Render Safe” in Military usage. It’s also a general EOD term but buried in there, (the military doesn’t like to advertise it but it’s existence isn’t classified), is a mission to track, and destroy or capture the entire nuclear arsenal of a target country. If Israel decides to play fuck fuck games the US military is ready and willing to give them the Find Out portion.

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    This is supposed to be the 2nd and final Nakba, annexing the entire Palestinian territory. With the goal of expanding Israel into Greater Israel. This goal will never end until the elimination and illegalization of Zionism. It doesn’t matter what the U.S. politicians say. BDS is the only first step.

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      Elimination and illegalization of Zionism? I’m not a Zionist by any stretch, but this is terrible thinking. You’re gonna kill and arrest people for ideas in their head? My god, no thanks.

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        Don’t get all Hasbara like that. The problem with Zionism is the action and not the thought. If you do Zionist shit, you should expect social and legal consequences, end of story.

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      He didn’t really say anything other than “some people might have reason to think so”.

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        Which is the world’s most condescending way to say he doesn’t think so but like a kid on the playground isn’t going to tell us why.

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          I’m curious how the sentence “There is every reason for people to believe that” gets translated to “sure, you can think that if you want [to be wrong].”

          It reads more like, “I can’t say whether it’s ‘1 plus 3’ or ‘2 plus 2’ but everybody is getting 4.” The evidence is all there.

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    Biden SLAMS Israeli leader that is openly hoping Biden will be displaced by Donald Trump.

    Fuxed that for you all. He SLAMMED him. SLAM!

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    So we’re going to stop supplying Israel with weapons, money, and international cover, right? RIGHT?

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      The US still needs Israel as an ally in the region. While Bibi may be a genocidal POS, Israel itself is crucial to US foreign policy. Expect weapons to keep flowing.

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      No, Congress is going after the ICC for daring to investigate Israeli leaders for War Crimes

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        Good thing Congress can’t do shit about it short of repealing the Leahy Law with a veto proof majority.

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          Now what would be comical (not actually comical) is to see Congress declare war for the first time since world war 2. They can do so without the presidents approval I believe, and can fund it against the presidents wishes. Now… The president can just tell the troops not to go to war though, showing how broken that system is.

          No war, the president can send troops. War, the president can not send troops.
          So the other representatives don’t matter to awfully much when it comes to starting wars. Now ending them on the other hand … Congress holds that with the funding part.

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            Well not really @ last part bc the president can declare an emergency for ~any reason and appropriate funds. Yaaay demoncracy

            Generally, us presidents fall into the do whatever they want, “move fast and break shit” philosophy. And as the world’s arms dealers, the USA has every reason to be involved in every conflict. That’s our greatest national industry

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              Emergencies can only exist for 6 months and then have to be voted for termination by Congress. So say Prump pulled a Trutin, if the rest of the house/Senate weren’t bought and paid for that war would be over “years” ago now and congress could impeach the president if he tried to act like it was another emergency, followed by the Senate voting to oust them.

              All the mechanisms are there, tainted and charged.

              We need an age of restoration to clean it all off and update everything to fit with modern times.

              ““Jefferson states that each new generation has a right to choose for itself “the form of government it believes most promotive of its own happiness.” That every 20 years, the state constitution should be handed off to the next generation to amend and repair as they see fit””

              So a bit controversial but I’d say that would point at older generations not supposed to be holding legislational positions/powers. If we up the age to fit lifespan from 20 to 30 years, then take the average age of the writers/powers at be during that time it would place a retirement age for legislative members at maybe 60-65.

              Being that out supreme Court is somehow altering legislation at this point that would say 4 or 5 out of those 9 would have to retire immediately. The average age of senators is 64, so ~50 there, and a significant chunk of Congress.

              Get out the steel woal and start cleaning the rust of this jalopy.

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          Leahy Law only works if the State Department provides proof of human rights violations. Findings from the ICC or ICJ only matter if they are corroborated in US intelligence. Biden needs to mandate a conclusive reassessment from the State Department to disregard congressional direction.

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            So as far as I know, we don’t need the State Department to acknowledge it. The laws bind State and Defense from sending stuff but that information can come from anywhere. They can stop based on their internal assessment or the President can stop them based on reports from the intelligence community or the ICC.

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              Without support of US intelligence or recorded first-hand accounts, he has no defense in an impeachment hearing for taking actions against the advisement of Congress and the State Department. He needs the support of one branch to make a move like this, or he’ll face impeachment by Republicans in Congress.

              He oversees the State Department as they’re part of the Executive Branch. He can mandate reassessment due to new information such as the recent “accidents” by Israel, or disclosure of suppressed information by former employees. It’s his best option other than direct oversight with a ceasefire agreement.

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                Well good thing he has those. And the ICC assessments would work too. Which he also has.

                You think state department returned that finding without asking him first? People are literally quitting that working group and telling the news. This isn’t a deep state thing.

                Biden can shut off the aid any time he wants.

                For a bonus round - how about we see some “strategic voting” by our representatives and Senators? Why are we coddling them? A successful impeachment would basically ensure a Trump victory, and anything less isn’t paid attention because the Republicans cried wolf too many times. So why are we worried about this again?

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                  ICC statements are not recognized in the US unless included in State Department intelligence reports. POTUS cannot justify action based on them, nor can he use them as defense in an impeachment hearing.

                  Again, while he can amend existing agreements whenever he wants, he will have no legal defense for his actions against advisement and legislation of the rest of our government.

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        Biden needs to mandate a conclusive reassessment form the State Department so what Congress says doesn’t matter.

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            Yes, for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan aid.

            Ukraine needed it more than Israel didn’t.

            That was after Republicans tried to pass aid for Israel independent of Ukraine and Taiwan.

            Just because the news is focused on Israel doesn’t mean the genocide in Ukraine has ended. Russia has abducted over 700,000 children since the beginning of the war. Putin is loving the media redirection while he continues his atrocities.

            https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-children-taken-ukraine/32527298.html

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        Biden: “We don’t have the authority to stop Israel, our hands are tied.”

        Also Biden: “We’re going to invade the Hague if you so much as think about sanctioning this perfectly legal and justified military action.”