So, I’ve really started to make some large changes to my life after many years of being a degenerate and all my money going on smoking weed and doing other drugs with friends etc.

It all started when I got diagnosed with ADHD, got medicated, since stopped as the cons were worse than the pros now I’m on a good track, re-trained as a software developer and have been in my first role a year and I’m late 30’s now.

Weed was the last thing to quit and it’s been almost a month and I’m finally able to do all the things I could never afford. Bought a nice watch and booked a session for a sleeve tattoo I’ve always wanted.

I still need something to focus on to keep me happy and I love being out in nature and just milling about, but I’m a city kid, north UK, so really don’t know anything about surviving outside; but I want to go out for weekends and see the stars and just explore and be self sufficient.

It all just seems so overwhelming and I have no clue where to start. I’ve been watching YouTube videos and still it seems so overwhelming. My plan is to start purchasing everything you would need with a view to start from April next year but I honestly don’t know where to begin. What do I buy, which tents should I be looking at, how do I learn about water supplies I can drink from, what about cooking; can I make bacon and eggs for instance, what sleeping bags, cookers, backpacks, shoes, etc.

The list goes on and on and I guess I’m just looking for good resources to consume over the next 10 months to make sure I can go out and be safe, considerate, and not a burden on anybody else.

Thanks for any tips you can provide.

Edit: I have a lot of comments here to reply to, but I’m pretty sleepy right now so will reply to you all tomorrow. Thanks.

  • Carrolade@lemmy.world
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    One thing I’d recommend is to start a little less all-in. You don’t have to go straight into backpacking out to the middle of nowhere and roughing it, you can start with car camping at a for-pay campground that’ll have some basic amenities, and just pitch a small tent there.

    This’ll give you a chance to practice some basic skills in a less demanding environment before you really have to fully rely on them. Won’t cost much, and you’ll still be getting a chance to unwind a bit. Then once you’re more comfortable with your skills you can expand your horizons.

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      Thanks.

      This is very useful, similar to the other comment, in that I can test the waters closer to home and work out what works and what doesn’t.

      I am actually exited to learn things along the way and I think this is a sensible approach as I guess going on in could be very off putting if it doesn’t go well and ruin the hobby before I even start.

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        Your gut reaction being to go immediately to 100 miles an hour is probably the ADHD. Most of us hyperfixate really easily and jump into things with both feet. That said, in my personal experience, we also tend to hyperfixate on hobbies in a certain “category”. If your a sports person, or hiking person, or craft person, or theater person you’ll regularly hyperfixate on things that surround your “main” interests. (Sometimes we also go wildly off script but most ADHDers I know eventually circle back to their core interests.)

        That said it’d be smart to get a basic understanding of camping in first because you can use it as a springboard for future hyperfixations. This was you’ll have the basic knowledge and equipment when your focus changes to ultra light, or extreme conditions, or rafting to camp spots. Etc. There is no escaping the dopamine hyperfixation train so you just have to learn systems that help you do it with minimal negative consequences.

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        Another thing, OP, I don’t know what your definition of wild camping is, but keep it legal. The last thing you want is to have a ranger, police, or property owner show up to roust you in the middle of the night.

        Look into camping permits and regulations, or just stay at a car camping site to begin with.

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    It’s only as overwhelming as your trip. Start simple: Overnight in a tent somewhere close to home. Bring what you think you’ll need, and if it turns out you overlooked something vital, you can always go home whenever.

    Baby steps. Nobody camps a week in the wilderness alone, miles away from civilization their first time.

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      Thanks. This makes sense and there are plenty of spots I could use within a mile or two of home to test the water so to speak.

      I guess going this route, I could actually get outside before next April and then by that time I would have a lot more experience in what I am likely to need.

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        Sounds like a good plan. If you start small, you’ll be able to bring in one more complicating factor at a time by, for example, gradually extending your stay past meal time or loo time.

        Also, if you’re able to source water at or near your camping site, that’s one less thing to worry about.

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          Thank you.

          The water aspect is the most concerning for me, I obviously don’t want to carry kilos of water, but I also don’t trust myself at finding good water sources and even using a filter I will be quite anxious.

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    I don’t have a resource to point you towards, but firstly decide how you’re doing things. Are you hiking? Or are you hitting green lanes (BOATs and UCRs) in a 4x4? The first will make you need lightweight and smaller kit, the latter less so. Figure out what you’re looking to do and buy accordingly.

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      Thanks. I do want the hiking aspect, as I’ve learned that just exploring on foot is something that makes me happy, and I figured learning camping would enable me to take on longer hikes through national parks and such.

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        Ah good stuff. Don’t go buying loads of stuff if you’re not sure whether you need it or not. It all adds up weight-wise and before you know it that bag will suck to carry. Like someone else said, hit a local camp site and see how you go - you can always go home if it all goes wrong.

        And don’t forgot, legally you cannot wild camp in England and Wales whereas most of Scotland is fine except around Loch Lomond if I recall correctly.

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    Test your setup by camping in your backyard.

    In the US we have KOA campgrounds which have a camp host and usually a store. I used them for my first RV trip and found it to be very helpful. Maybe you have something similar?

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      Thanks. Yes some of the resources I found already recommended trying it out in your backyard or close to home to get a feel for it.

      Although, I want to be away from people for these things I will look at taking the first steps with that security of camping sites, just to find my feet.

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    Bushcraft is a good search term if you want to go as old school as possible. Ultralight is similar but using more modern equipment. Backpacking is the general term for long trips through the woods. Any of those will get you some good info on YouTube or various blogs to start with.

    In warmer weather you can have a fine weekend with a very small amount of gear. A water filter, a dehydrated meal or two, and a small camp stove would be just fine for a beginner and shouldn’t cost too much for the basic version of any of them. Obviously many people would also want a tent and/or sleeping bag but you can decide how you want to handle that. Sleeping outside isn’t so bad and helps you appreciate a tent much more. Hammock camping is fairly popular as well so maybe consider that option if you want at least a bit of shelter without commiting to buying a tent right away.

    I wouldn’t recommend foraging for food until you have some experience just being out there. Maybe bring a book about local plants on your first trip so that you can work on identifying them without the stress of them being your only food source.

    The biggest piece of advice is just to get out there and see how it goes. Maybe you’ll love the freedom and challenge of having very little gear with you or maybe you’ll hate not having one specific comfort. Just pick a spot relatively close to civilization for your first trip so you can get out of any trouble you might find yourself in and you’ll be fine. Decide how you want the next trip to go based on the first one and just keep getting building from there.

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      Thank you. Particularly for the search terms that would be useful for each scenario.

      I love this place as I’ve only just posted and I feel like it is a little less overwhelming now given that I should take it in baby steps.

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        No problem. I’m not an expert in any of these topics but I have been camping and backpacking for a good chunk of my life so feel free to ask any specific questions you may have now or in the future.

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      Thanks for the guide.

      Scotland would be great as I did learn already that it is more accessible there for wild camping, plus I imagine more opportunities for star gazing.

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    Congrats on turning your life around and getting into the outdoors.

    A quick way to learn would be to find a friend who knows and go camp with them.

    I think you should not try to acquire all the gear until you know what you will actually use (besides, you will be the one carrying it)

    Things I would definitely bring:

    -a hatchet

    -container(s) to drink from and cook in

    -lighters

    -single burner propane stove

    -tent

    -sleeping bag

    -tarp

    -rope and/or ratchet straps

    -water filter (MSR MiniWorks EX is my personal fave)

    -garbage bag(s)

    Based on what you described, I think you should just go for it with some basics for one night at a time, and you will quickly learn what you want to bring in the future.

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      Thank you for the kind words.

      I appreciate the list of items I should be looking for. Many people are suggesting a camping buddy, although I am not enthused by the idea I will look into that.

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    Check out the YouTube channel Camping with Steve. Each episode is an overnight camping trip in various settings, either in the wilderness, or abandoned places, even stealth camping in a roundabout once. The guy has a good energy about him and you’ll get a ton of tips on the practical side of camping.

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    Ppl are offering great advice about where to start, and it’s what I’d suggest too - start with car camping to get a feel for it. If you overcommit too soon, you could ruin the experience for yourself. I know many ppl who will never camp again because they treated it like a hotel stay, got rained out, and decided it wasn’t for them lol.

    A couple of resource suggestions - you mention an interest in self sufficiency. Read the SAS Survival Guide by one of your own, John Wiseman. It’s my go to for general survival tips and skills, including the ones I hope to never need. But lots of good info just to be aware of too.

    Some other great resources can be books on flora and fauna. One I have sitting on my desk is the Canadian Outdoor Survival Guide. Obviously it’s for Canada, but it teaches you edible plants and behaviour around some bigger beasties (I don’t think that’s an issue in the UK).

    And a final thought - an old Parks Canada marketing slogan is a really good nature-respecting thing to keep in mind: Take only pictures, leave only footprints.

    Nature is in our backyard, but it’s home for the animals that live there.

    Happy camping! ☺️

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    I have a small van with a bed and a sink in. I don’t visit any campsites. I don’t see this as “wild camping”, but apparently it counts so I’ll pitch in my advice anyway. I feel like we would have very similar interests - my holidays consist of going to Scotland for roughly a week, walking wherever seems nice, and generally being away from other people. I park overnight in lay-bys or carparks that allow camping. I started out sleeping in the back of my car for the first few years, but it’s not as comfortable and I enjoyed myself enough that I decided to invest in a van.

    The things I bring with me are

    • bottled water (I have some 5L bottles that I fill from the tap, usually 30L is enough for drinking and hand washing for a week, with one “shower” from a bottle)
    • books
    • bedding
    • camping stove and wok
    • reusable plastic plates and forks
    • clothing
    • money (this is the most important, because if you forget anything else on the list you can buy it with money)
    • map of where I’m going downloaded to my phone

    I go shopping and find a toilet once a day. I drive to somewhere nice (just look at the map and take a guess). Sit and read,go for a walk wherever looks interesting, snack, sleep, repeat. In terms of food, it’s mostly pastries and salad, because it’s hard to find ready-to-eat vegetarian food. For cooking, I’ve found that stuffed pasta and readymade sauce is easy to cook, and the other go-to is vegetarian sausages in a bun. But generally I only eat one or two cooked meals per holiday. It’s not worth the washing up IMO.

    My experience is probably different than what you’re planning, but similar enough to be useful advice I hope. You can literally start by just jumping in a car with some food and water, and driving somewhere nice. As long as you have a car, anyway. I’d suggest to start small and close to home, then it’s an easy escape if anything goes wrong

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    Start small.

    Try a few overnights and test your limits. Figure out what you enjoy and what you don’t like. Some people really get into cooking over an open fire, and others would rather bring packaged food. Some people want to hike for miles with a heavy pack, and others would rather set up close to the trailhead.

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    I highly recommend the book The Lost Art of Reading Nature’s Signs by Tristan Gooley. It’s far more applicable for the roaming in nature possibilities in the UK than where I am in the US.

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    If you have a vehicle, consider car camping. Some of the YouTube I have been watching are “Cheap RV living” and “SUV RVing”. Both of these channels show how little you really need to live in a car.

    Something to keep warm, something to cook, somewhere to poop. Lots of people get a little battery bank to keep their phone or laptop charged. Try not to use your vehicle power when parked but you can charge everything while driving. I have been watching a ton of that camping channels because my wife and I are about to live in our car for a while and find where we will move to. We spent the last year gathering everything we think we need for the trip using these videos. People live in cars as small as a Prius (which has climate control when the car is off). We have a slightly bigger car, but I think we can do it after seeing so many people living in cars.

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    Think about it like this: you don’t have to go to the Australian outback and survive there for a week with nobody being around.

    Start with a one day hike so that you can pack and carry enough gear that will ensure you can spend the night and figure it out from there. Take a note of stuff that you missed and add it to the list of items you’ll research and buy. Drop stuff you didn’t need after a while (emergency supplies exempted).

    You’ll probably need clothes, a tent, a sleeping bag and mat, a flashlight, a stove & fuel, lighter, plus kitchen utensils / cutlery, water bottles, food, toiletries, toothbrush, a towel, first-aid kit, some insect repellant, sunglasses, your phone (solar charger), some money or credit card, and potentially maps and a compass if you’re planning a longer hike and there might not be any reception (or you lost your phone). There are apps (e. g. Locus) that have dedicated “outdoor” map types and allow map downloads, so they work offline and provide more useful information about the terrain.

    Look at camping / hiking communities where people post their minimal loadout pictures to get an idea of how little gear really is needed to get around and add stuff you’d like for comfort from there. There is a whole “ultralight” movement out there that will give you an idea of the absolute basics you’ll need, people typically post overhead pictures of their gear there and add descriptions.

    Regarding your specific question for drinking water: there are solutions to filter water so it can be safely consumed, search for “portable water treatment”, e. g. LifeStraw, Geopress etc., plus chemical additives that purify water.

    Yes, you can make bacon&eggs, you’d typically crack the eggs at home and seal them in a bag to carry them along. A camping stove will allow you to fry food and boil water, plus you can always start a fire (where legal!).

    Sleeping bags will be rated for certain temperatures, get one that matches the climate you plan to sleep in, then optimize for weight and cost - we can’t tell you how to weigh each factor since that depends on destination, group setup (load distribution) and naturally, your financial situation.

    If you want to get more serious about being self sufficient, you might want to look into “bushcraft” later on, although I do consider this an advanced topic separate from camping / hiking, and it won’t work in every corner of the world. Still, there are decent books about it and the topic is interesting either way. A good starting point could be: https://www.amazon.com/Bushcraft-Boxed-Set-Advanced-Gathering/dp/1507206690/

    Overall, don’t overthink things and start with small, short trips, you’ll learn as you go.

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    I think you are talking about wilderness backpacking, as opposed to regular backpacking.

    Backpacking means you are generally on trails and bringing everything you need, including food. You don’t need survival skills to backpack, but some basic ability to navigate with a map and compass is really good to know.

    Wilderness backpacking is like regular backpacking but is more survivalist and you generally don’t use established trails. This is more hardcore and can include having to get food while you are in the wilderness by fishing or hunting.

    Start off hiking.

    Gear is a big topic of debate. Understand whatever you buy will probably not be what you will need and you will probably replace or upgrade gear a lot as you find out. I don’t think anything I have in my pack now was with me for my first trip.

    Bivy vs tent vs hammock comes down to what suits you and the environment you are going to, can’t hang a hammock if there aren’t enough trees.

    Alcohol stove vs fuel stove vs cooking over fire all depends on your convenience desire and if there are fire restrictions. Hell, you can even go no-cook meals if you are indifferent to the comfort a hot meal on a cold day can bring.

    Passive vs manual water filtration is a matter of personal preference. Water purification tabs are light as fuck, but the taste is not pleasant. If you have a good filtration system the source of the water need only be unpolluted, like a lake or stream. You can boil water, but that isn’t a perfect system and there is still a lot of junk and flavors that you probably don’t want. Pump filters are faster, but gravity filters require less energy and you can’t use them while on the move.

    Shoes should be hiking shoes or boots, ones with ankle support can be really nice in topography where you will be changing elevations a lot.

    Backpack should be an appropriately sized backpacking pack with a frame. You can go frameless if you are ultralight, but ultralight people are neurotic and derrainged. You want one that fits you and is big enough for the trip but not oversized.

    Food is pretty personal. You really could only take highly perishable foods like unpreserved meat for a day if you are in temps above safe storage temps. So don’t think you can take a steak for day 4 when it is 25C out. If it doesn’t need refrigeration or is a preserved product, you can choose what you want. Some people will eat nothing but trail mix, some people will take nothing but dehydrated camping food, what you take will be up to you. If you are looking to cook whatever you want, then overlanding type camping or car camping is what you should be looking at.

    Definitely understand that the temps that a sleeping bag are rated for are not accurate. Whatever the lowest temperature they say it is good for is almost barely survivable in reality. If A bag is rated for 15C, it probably is livable at 20C with layers on. Bags are case by case so you will have to try out a bag to know at what temperature you can comfortably sleep in them.

    You should start with reading forums and communities to see what other people are doing. There are checklists you can reference to wrap your head around everything you might need and then you can figure out what you want. Definitely start with an overnight trip to work some kinks out of your setup and then go for more days as you gain confidence in your setup.

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      Ah yes… deranged ultralight hikers :D This reminds me of one thing to add: try to ensure your fully packed backpack doesn’t weigh more than 30Kg; that should be enough for do a 4-day hike with at least one other person. For an overnighter, you’re still going to have to carry a lot of the same stuff except less food and toilet paper. But if planning to do longer hikes, there’s no harm in over packing for a single night a few times to get the feel of what you’re comfortable having vs how much it weighs.

      One other thing: I trail run, so I’ll be in and out in four hours on trails where others are planning to stay one or more nights. Sometimes I get looks of disbelief from people with the full 30kg packs on as I run past them on the trail — but no, I’m not crazy enough to have that little on my back AND be planning to stay the night. Conversely, the reason I’ve got all that stuff on my back at all is because accidents happen.

      I’ve had more than one time where I’ve been on a run and encountered a group that neglected to bring along a first aid kit, or a group that ran out of water. Always good to pack for slightly more than you’re expecting, just in case you need to help someone else out, or survive an extra night while others come looking for you.

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        30kg is pretty heavy. 20kg is reasonable for a 5 night IMO.

        That being said, my pack is about 15kg for 5 nights with 10C nights and the luxury of a camp chair, 7kg dry. I don’t see the sanity available with 10kg wet, those people need help.