Although it does not mention any vegan variation, there is a wikipedia article about the “completos”.
What an abomination it has ketchup but doesn’t even have mustard.
I always make two hotdogs: one with mustard pepper and chopped onions 😌, another with ketchup and fun things 😝, just so my inner child gets something to enjoy.
The abomination has mustard inside.
Are they called “votdogs” now? 🤔
Speaking of which, and I’m sure this is the wrong place but does anyone know how to cook halloumi? I just cooked some on the smoker with a pile of veggies and it always turns out rubbery. What am I doing wrong?
Generally you just give it a couple of minutes on each side in a pan or grill. You just want to get some nice colour and crispiness on the outside, nothing more than that. That said, the cheese is kinda rubbery by nature, and cooking generally will not change this other than adding some crispiness to the outside. It does always squeak a little when you eat it. It shouldn’t be unpleasantly so, but of course where exactly that line is drawn is always a subjective matter
That look really good!
Everyone keeps talking about plant substitute meat as if we don’t have a developing lab grown replica industry that could do the job just as well, one that actual vegans have admitted they’d consider as a legitimate source of food since it doesn’t directly involve an animal or animal byproduct.
I think what we’re gonna see is a diversification of the “meat” market with lab grown meat taking the niche of your traditional burgers bacons and sausages, plant substitute leaning into their differences to create more uniquely marketable products, probably selling on their health benefits since people who go off meat for an extended period and then try it again often report a readjusting period tied to how much energy the body has to commit to breaking meats down, and lastly the “fresh meat” industry will go full wagyuification.
They won’t have the ability to compete at market scale, so they’ll instead make their niche in selling a luxury quality product. Cattle ranchers and bison runners are gonna watch the old looming factories fall over and the owners come running begging to invest in the old fashioned cattle and bison raising that they’re now gonna try and sell as creating some superior quality of meat product that justifies the mark-up they’re gonna need to sell with to stay in the game longer term.
I have a suspicion that we might see some interesting hybridization of the plant based and lab grown meats at some point. Tissue culture is expensive, and while Im sure the price can be reduced, Im doubtful that it will get cheaper than plant protein is. However, it can potentially taste more like real meat than plants, seeing as, well, it is real meat, just assembled differently. Potentially then, one can probably mix in some percentage of plant protein (or possibly mycoprotein as well) in with the meat in ground meat type products like burgers, without the flavor changing too noticeably, and get something mostly the same with a lower cost.
However, it can potentially taste more like real meat than plants, seeing as, well, it is real meat, just assembled differently.
The biggest problem with meat substitutes is texture, which is how it is assembled. Only a few have come close, or can replicate cheap cuts of meat.
That’s just a current problem. There’s no reason to assume it won’t also be resolved eventually.
Also, mixing plant matter into meat products is nothing new. For example, most meatballs have breadcrumbs in them.
Mixing breadcrumbs into meatballs doesn’t undo the texture of the meat itself, and different kinds of meats have different textures. Turkey, beef, and chicken meatballs all have different textures for example. The structures in the meat also change as they are cooked.
It is like how califlower rice isn’t the same as regular rice, and there are a bunch of different types of rice. There is just a lot of complexity that means substitutes are always going to be a little off compared to their inspiration and to be honest that should be embraced and leaned into as an alternate instead of a replacement. Like a bean burrito compared to a beef or chicken burrito, they are all burritos but each one is their own thing.
I can agree that there will always be subtle variations in textures of different substances, but I can guarantee you that we can affect the texture of a mixed product by altering the ingredients.
I’ve been managing restaurants for decades, with a few Italian places under my belt with Michelin star chefs. One restaurant group featured a rotating list that always had at least a dozen different meatballs.
I’ve seen them tweak all kinds of recipes, with all kinds of meats and grains. Beef, chicken, pork, lamb, goat, venison, even fuckin gator (which was Delicious!). I’ve also sold eggplant, chickpea, spinach, Beyond, Impossible, all kinds of shit in ball form.
I’ve seen these chefs tweak a recipe that uses the same volume of meat, crumbs, and other ingredients, to yield significantly different textures and flavors, just by playing with how they prep those ingredients. How finely they dice/chop/prep the same amount of an ingredient affects the texture.
How they prep the crumbs matters. What bread do they use, what’s it made of, how it was cooked before it crumbled, how finely it was crumbled, what seasonings were used that will bind with the fats and proteins from the meat.
All of this matters and all of it affects the flavor and texture. This isn’t just cooking, it’s materials science. Give it a little more credit.
That’s a sandwich.
Are we really going to have this discussion now? In front of the kid?
A hotdog is clearly a taco.
This poster Food Cubes.
Counterpoint: It’s a salad.
It’s an open faced sushi roll.
Unless that sausage has a preferable texture or seasoning profile I feel like almost any variety of beans would be a welcome addition or replacement. Like to me it looks like it is supposed to have refried black beans.
Or: vegan blackbean based sausage links which I remember back from the era I lived with vegans.
Sometimes you just want something that tastes like a hotdog but didn’t come from an animal.
Lifelight Smat dogs are a good option. There is even a gluten free option.
That’s my usual go-to when I’m camping or at a BBQ and want a regular hotdog. I’m sure some people in this thread will tell me I’m wrong though and suggest I instead cook some beans on the campfire lol.
As far as I know, this particular arrangement is known as a Completo Italiano, since the ingredients have the same colours as the Italian flag (red tomatoes, green avocado and white mayonnaise).
Hi, that is completely right also the thing with about garlic!
In fact, the Chileans put the avocado in top of the tomatoes and not the other way around as I did.
What about the mayo on the hotdog?
It’s vegan too!
I’m gonna have to try vegan mayo sometime. Super curious how it compares. Hopefully, it doesn’t try to replicate Miracle Whip. Vegan butter, too. It sounds weird and looks very different, but people I trust to have good taste on YouTube have recommended a particular brand of vegan butter over regular dairy butter so I have to assume it’s really good.
Soy milk, neutral flavor oil, and vinegar in a blender makes a really simple vegan mayo. You can play with the flavors until you have something you like.
The egg is such a small part of mayo that I’m pretty sure it doesn’t contribute any flavour. It’s just there as an emulsifier.
always happy to read about someone who wants to try vegan food :)
vegan butter is great - it tastes a little off from dairy butter if you’re eating it on its own (also depends on brand, some are way better than others) but it is indistinguishable (to me) in a complete dish or baked good.
all the vegan mayo i’ve had is a great substitute for cheap storebought mayo, but maybe i’ve just been getting shitty mayo lol. if you’re someone who is into the fancier mayos and/or have made your own at home and know how good that can be, i haven’t had any vegan stuff that measures up without additional flavorings. but like another commenter said, you can just mix and match flavors until you get something delicious.
I haven’t bought it in a while, but is the Hel mann’s olive oil mayo–nvm, I looked it up and they actually have a dedicated vegan mayo line, so that’s cool.
Is that a tofu sausage?
No. These are mostly made out of yellow peas and beetroot.
Ah ok. I’ve never tried those. I love tofu dogs though.
It tastes the same if you close your eyes.
Stop trying to mimic meat products, it’s a losing battle and will always be inferior. Stop trying to fit foods into a meat “alternative” product that just sucks in comparison to the original, but you try to justify as being “almost the same”, it’s never even close. It’s easily the main reason so many people won’t even consider vegan options, they’re constantly being lied to and resent that.
Embrace the ingredients and use them in ways that actually make sense. You don’t need to replace meat products for people to try an alternative diet, you just need to have other good options. Many vegan restaurants have absolutely delicious and filling food, it’s never the options that try to replace a burger though. It’s the foods designed from the ground up to be vegan and embracing what the ingredients actually are.
OK dad
the point isn’t to fool people into thinking it’s meat the point is to fill the same role as meat in a dish in terms of texture, protein, etc
But all it does is remind people how it’s not any of those things. It’s like an uncanny valley for food; the more like meat you make it the more attention you draw to all the ways it’s not. If you make it look like something else people will compare it to that thing instead of judging it on its own merit.
sounds like you shouldn’t be buying and eating it, on the other hand I enjoy them and enjoy that they’re not real meat
And yet this post is literally trying to replace a hotdog. From the image, not just as a replacement for the role of the meat, but trying to mimic the hotdog in its entirety.
The Glizzy is a form factor for the masses.
dude you’re letting “being contrarian” define your whole identity. reconsider your life
There’s nothing contrarian here. I’m saying a vegan hot dog trying to imitate a regular one will be bad. Make vegan food that’s actually good and embraces what it is made out of instead of trying to replace a regular meat item.
The fact there are responses here literally saying to lie to people about what they’re being fed is insane.
vegan hot dog trying to imitate a regular one will be bad
But it’s not bad. It’s good. It’s like really good.
It’s good enough to take a picture of and share online. It’s good enough to see online and make your mouth water. It’s good enough that I plan my meals to get some, and I’m looking forward to eating two of my own on Monday (pictured):
If you just don’t like it, that’s fine. That’s your taste, and I’m not going to try and tell you that your taste is wrong because that’s totally subjective.
I don’t like tempeh, but I’m not going to go around saying tempeh sucks and you should stop enjoying it, because that’s just debating a matter of taste.
Will a vegan hot dog probably not be as tasty as the real thing? Yeah, but if you’re vegetarian/vegan you occasionally have a hankering for a hot dog, and this can get you at least halfway there, who cares? Don’t be an ass and insult what people want to eat just because it offends your sensibilities, which seems to be the main reason people are down voting you.
Will a vegan hot dog probably not be as tasty as the real thing? Yeah
I actually find the vegan alternatives taste better than the meat based ones (I’m thinking primarily about burgers, the vegan hotdogs/sausages I tried some years ago were borderline inedible).
I know you’re going to be downvoted, but you really underestimate how good hot dogs are at a barbecue.
Serving people salads at a grill outing is a way to lose friends, giving them vegan hot dogs without telling them is a way for them to consider eating less meat. C:
What? Salads at the BBQ are important and kick ass. Salads of fresh, ripe tomato and herbaceous basil with a touch of oil and vinegar, smashed cucumbers with chili powder and black vinegar, watermelon and mint salads, potato salad with a good mustard and dill…
They ain’t the mains at the meal, but they serve a critical function of rounding out the meals and brightening up the plate and palate. Plus they’re packed with vitamins so they help you drink longer in the sun without a nasty hangover the next day.
Deception is definitely the best way to do things. Don’t want to actually let people know what they’re eating of course.
Never ask what the hot dog is made of :>
It’s always some form of deception.
Just be fucking real.
I’ve had excellent vegan food and no one ever tried to trick me into it.
That’s a good way to lose friends.
Eh, since going vegetarian in the past year or so, I’ve found that a lot of the meat substitutes actually are pretty good, depending on how you use them. It’s not usually so perfect that one cannot truly tell, sure, unless it’s a dish where the meat flavor is heavily affected by spices and similar like with chili, but I’ve definitely found types of substitute bacon, or burgers, or ground meat that taste quite good. Though in my experience it’s usually been the cheaper or simpler ones, like black bean burgers or tempeh bacon, that taste best. Not the same, but similar enough to be tasty in broadly similar ways.
it’s never the options that try to replace a burger
I generally agree with you, but I actually disagree on this specific example. It’s not fake meat burgers that I think are good, though, it’s black bean burgers. They’re just their own thing and they’re awesome.
Same with these vegan hotdogs, they have an autentic flavor. In my opinion, they are “a thing” on their own not pretending to replace anything.
I agree about black bean burgers. I’m an omnivore but will choose the black bean patty often because they’re just so good.
Yeah, I never liked veggie burgers, but black bean patties are awesome!
…. Although I do like beyond/impossible
A vegan sausage can very much be its own thing, both tofu and seitan have their own distinct flavour profile. While there certainly are fake meat sausages, you cannot just assume it is one because of its shape, the same way a meat sausage isn’t just a fake cucumber.
Vegan sausages and hotdogs are like the only plant based alternatives that taste like the real thing because 90% of the flavor is just the seasonings you use anyway. Use the same seasonings, find the right texture (mushrooms and breading work well), and you’ve got a good plant-based sausage or hotdog.
I’m not even vegan, btw!
The problem is those same additives that make a hotdog what it is, are the ones that make it horrible for your health. Let’s not get close enough to hot dog to make it equally bad for us
I said seasonings. I mean, sure, too much salt is bad; so just don’t use a fuckton of it.
Why not? The seasonings are what makes it taste like a hotdog and I’m not eating a hotdog because it’s healthy. Let people enjoy things.
Isn’t the main health concern due to the nitrite from the curing salts? If there’s no meat to cure, there’s no need for curing salts.
Sorry but I absolutely hate this take. I stopped eating meat about 15 years ago, but I grew up on meat-based dishes, and I occasionally like to eat stuff from my childhood, just without the meat. It literally doesn’t affect you at all, but you still find the need to tell me that I’m wrong for eating what I enjoy.
It tastes good tho.
I like it when the food tastes good.
Stop trying to mimic meat products
I don’t hate them, but I’ve been saying this for years; maybe because I grew up mostly vegetarian, so I find that there are so many interesting flavours other than meat. Like one local pub here had this great lentil based burger that they stopped making (in-house I’ll add) as soon as Impossible meat came bursting on to the stage.
Now, my partner who was raised eating meat meals all the time loves these fake meats (I like them fine, I mean they are good, compared to what was around 90s definitely!). And I’ve been to the pub with a gaggle of friends and most of the people will get the impossible burger now, which was absolutely not the case before.
So as a gateway for meat eaters to try skipping like one meal of meat and realising they’re fine, I’d say they’re a smashing success.
Mayonnaise?
Looks good! I’d try it. I’m not vegetarian but I love trying vegan alternatives. I’d stick to some of them if they weren’t so expensive.
If you haven’t and live in the US, try the veggies (could be vegan) hotdogs in IKEA. I love them. They’re not the “hot dog + ketchup” kind, but a whole other thing.
I’m not a vegetarian but hot dog meat is extra questionable, so it’s been fulfilling my hotdog needs.
Not the person you replied to, but I’ll have to give that a shot if I make it to IKEA someday :)
Is the green stuff guacamole? It looks VERY green
Yes, avocado and garlic.
Ah! A Chilean vegan, I see.
C O M P L E T O
My GAWD I fuck with that
Sounds amazing
