May be of interest to fellow pirates… youtube trailer | invidious trailer

Ah, the good old days of Kazaa, Bear Share, LimeWire, and Morpheus. What do you guys think - did piracy permanently devalue the music industry as claimed? Or were the record companies just massively overcharging for music in the first place? Given that record companies have been stiffing artists since forever, what is the best way to support your favorite musicians today?

In the streaming age, the concept of music piracy seems eons behind us. Back in the early 2000s, however, pirates shook up the industry by stealing and illegally distributing MP3s, which listeners would otherwise have to pay for.

How Music Got Free takes viewers back to the ‘90s and early aughts, when the FBI launched a sprawling investigation into music piracy to identify – and convict – those stealing music. Even once the thieves were discovered, mass music piracy was blamed for permanently devaluing music.

Directed by Alexandria Stapleton, the two-part documentary premiered at SXSW earlier this year.

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    5 months ago

    DRM-free versions are [almost] always available somewhere. If it’s DRM-free, I will buy it if I like it. If the DRM-free version isn’t for sale or I can’t easily circumvent the DRM, it just means it came from the high seas instead of a local media store.

    And don’t even get me started on how often TV shows aren’t even released on DVD/Blu-ray/4K. Again, I can’t pay for it if no one is offering to sell it to me.

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      5 months ago

      Probably my all-time favourite non fiction title. It made me feel part of something bigger than just thinking of my teenage self as some lowly degenerate trawling zero-day torrent sites.

  • possibly a cat@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    did piracy permanently devalue the music industry as claimed?

    No - technology and population devalued music. How many influencers were around during the days of Kazaa? Versus how many are around now? It’s not only influencing that is oversaturated, it’s everything except boards and executives. Labor is weak and so the products of labor are devalued.

    • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      5 months ago

      Music is so easy to make nowadays, and everybody wants to be a musician. It is an extreme oversaturated industry, and people keep falling into the same mistake of making it a career choice.

      Same with acting, art, writing, and most creative positions.

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        5 months ago

        Music can be easy to make, but IMO good music usually isn’t easy to produce still requires a fair amount of time and talent.

        Also I never stopped buying good music despite my pirating. The recording industry has certainly stopped wanting to sell us music though, and prefers we perpetually rent it instead. There is exactly one business my town where there is a decent selection of CDs I can buy, and it’s a local, independent new-and-used media store. The ONLY alternatives are walmart and target, who have maybe a dozen or so albums for sale.

        P.S. To anyone who releases an album on vinyl but not on CD in 2024: I hate you with the passion and determination of a hundred honey badgers.

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        5 months ago

        Same with acting, art, writing, and most creative positions.

        And programming, and certain types of engineering, and research, and… so on and so on. It’s not only a phenomenon among the arts.

        • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          5 months ago

          The programming industry is only growing. Tools like CoPilot and modern IDE might may it slightly easier, but there is no shortage of things that need development.

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            5 months ago

            Sure, but there’s a shortage of decent paying jobs compared to all of the workers looking for them. Everyone has a CS degree now.

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    5 months ago

    Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24/7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate’s service is more valuable.

    https://www.escapistmagazine.com/valves-gabe-newell-says-piracy-is-a-service-problem/

    It was true then and it’s still true today. Services like Steam, Spotify, and Netflix are far more valuable to the consumer than physical distribution.

    If you want to support your favorite artists, come out and see them on tour (at non-ticketmaster venues, preferably) and/or buy merch.

    • Unruffled [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPM
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      So true. Record labels seem to just want the ability to sell overpriced, shitty DRM locked licenses without any competition from piracy, because it shows just how exploitative their practices really are.

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      Video/TV streaming services seem to forget why they succeeded in the first place, with all the restrictions on family accounts, exclusivity deals etc.

    • LazerDickMcCheese@sh.itjust.works
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      5 months ago

      To add on this, most musicians make little money off physical releases. If they’re an indie group/artist, they’re probably losing money in the hopes that they gain an audience. Shows usually pay artists (but trust me, not always), and merch always gives artists something to keep them going (unless they’re a victim of a 360 deal).

      • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
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        Tbf, that’s not really Spotify’s fault. After operating costs and the cut to the various app stores they’re on, the larger record labels hoover up all of the profits. Spotify has actually operated at a loss the past few years.

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          Unlike Spotify, if I download the music, I get to keep it. It doesn’t disappear from the streaming service because of licensing issues. Even if it disappears from Bandcamp itself, if I already have a local copy, I get to keep that local copy.

          For 15 years the only way I could listen to 3 Feet High and Rising by De La Soul was to listen to the rip of a CD I made years earlier, because licensing kept it off of streaming services.

          Spotify can and will remove music from their library. Bandcamp can’t remove my files from my PC and various backups. It’s the equivalent of having a physical copy, but in digital format and is transferable and able to be backed up.

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          5 months ago

          Buy merch on Bandcamp, on a Bandcamp Friday. 100% of the money goes to the artist/label. They do these once a quarter or so IIRC.

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    5 months ago

    If a company makes millions (let alone billions) while all but the top 1-5% of their artists have to fight for scraps, piracy is the only good option. Dont buy from billion dollar companies at all. Support artists individually and let labels rot.