This is half a decade old news, but I only found this out myself after it accidentally came up in conversation at the DMV. The worker would not have informed me if it hadn’t come into conversation. Every DMV photo in the United States is being used for AI facial recognition, and nobody has talked about it for years. This is especially concerning given that citizens are recently being required to update their ID to a “Real ID,” which means more people than ever before are giving away the rights to their own face.
The biggest problem with privacy issues is that people talk about it for a while, but more often than not nothing ever happens to fix the problem, it simply gets forgotten. For example, in the next few years Copilot will simply become a part of people’s lives, and people will slowly stop talking about the privacy implications. What can we even do to fight the privacy practices of giants?
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Donate to eff, aclu, and other privacy organizations.
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It’s better than not doing anything.
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ACLU has done a lot of good. For instance, their lawyers have fought to not give up Signal users’ information in court cases.
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They’re literally lobbiests and have a track record of forcing the government to make great changes for the people
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The EFF and ACLU employ a number of people, and some of those people exist to lobby the government to not make dumb laws.
Politicians don’t understand technology, so they need lobbiests to explain to them how legislation could be bad for people from a technical perspective
When you fund the EFF, you get lobbiests on your behalf going to legislators to fix broken legislation. And lobbyists going to legislators to write good legislation to protect our rights.
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I was answering your question: Huh?
I don’t think Billionaires even get an exception. It actually might be worse for them in some ways.
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What? They can just buy a private island
Or lobby so their private planes are untrackable.
Or you’re willing to immolate a billionaire or a politician, as long as it’s a sincerely held religious belief.
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Abso-fucking-lutely.
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Good point, let me fix that.
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How about a guillotine? Those don’t seem to require a religious belief, only a modicum of trust in the well-studied force of gravity.
Vote pirate party
I see no issue with the government using photo ID pictures this way, just as long as they aren’t using third parties to handle the technical aspect of it or allowing any of the data to be handled by any third parties (eg private corps). They would be stupid to ignore that large amount of known good data they could train their facial rec models on. Yes it sounds big and evil but that’s the world we live in as long as this technology exists and you want to participate in society, I guess.
They’re collecting the data already, it’s being used this way already by everyone else, so why not?
Many people’s threat models, like my own, are against mass surveillance. This falls under that category, even if it’s being handled responsibly.
You can be against it all you want but that doesn’t mean it’s going to matter IRL. The state of the world is that anyone with a large amount of data like this is using it to build models so they can profit and/or enforce. Even if they say they’re not doing it, they’re still doing it. Or someone with access to that data is doing it.
Crying about the feds/DMV doing facial rec training is low hanging fruit. Obviously they’re going to be doing it along with every other government on the planet with the resources to do it. TBH there’s nothing inherently malicious about it, since them having the data they’re using is part of you having citizenship/identification in that country. The real malicious ones are the corporations contracted by said government to do the exact same thing except they’re doing their own data collection through huge networks of privately owned security cameras.
The only way to avoid this is to go live in the woods and never come out. Any show of transparency or opting out of any of this would just be theater for you. It’s being done, has been done, and will be done without your consent or knowledge.
Just because mass surveillance is already happening doesn’t mean we should accept it as our only option. While it’s true that governments and corporations are collecting data on us, there is still merit in pushing back against these practices. The point of privacy is not to hide everything and live in the woods, the point of privacy is to have control over what data you share, when you share it, and with whom you share it with. The problem isn’t facial recognition itself, the problem is living in the woods shouldn’t be the only way to avoid it. We should be able to opt out. What may seem fine to you is not always fine with others. That’s why threat models exist, after all.
This attitude is what lets the government and big tech get away with so much bullshit.
“Well it’s happening already so crying about it isn’t going to change anything because you know that protest has never ever been effective even once ever and I kinda like the taste of boot anyways so what’s the big deal?”
Yes, blame me for the sorry state of the world. It’s all my fault and the fault of people like me.
I wish.
I’m not blaming you for the state of the world, I’m blaming you for taking your fatalist nonsense and using it to try to bring down others with you.
I’m not trying to bring anyone down I’m just trying to show them their efforts will most likely be futile in the end
“I’m not trying to bring anyone down, I’m just trying to bring them down”
Every DMV photo in the United States is being used for AI facial recognition
I’m glad I don’t have a US driving license then.
in the next few years Copilot will simply become a part of people’s lives
Only those who don’t care about privacy and use Windows.
Do you have a passport?
Yeah, that dumbass doesn’t realize the EU has been using passport photos to allow Interpol to build a database since back in 2010.
Not just Europe either. 172 countries use NFC passports, all of which have your full biometric info (including a high res headshot) encoded onto the chip.
If you’ve ever had a passport your face is known to the government of your country and searchable in a database.
Only those who don’t care about privacy and use Windows.
So most people, then.
9/11 enabled so much of this to be fast-tracked. Thanks, Patriot Act.
Have you read Means of Control (Byron Tau)? He tracks the evolution of all of this and how we got to where we are today. Yes, 9/11 fast-tracked it but there’s so much more to it. Highly recommended.
Thanks for the rec, I have not read it. It sounds like something I would enjoy, so I’ll check it out!
This is especially concerning given that citizens […]
Not everyone with a US driver’s license is a US citizen.
Correct, however this issue primary affects US citizens, given that driver’s licenses aren’t the only ID the DMV takes pictures for (e.g. the aforementioned Real ID)
Non-citizens also use driver’s licenses and state IDs with Real ID. It’s standard regardless of citizenship.
nobody has talked about it for years
There are rumblings here in CO about curtailing law enforcement’s use of this database. I personally would like to have subpoena protection of the database, so at least it has to go before a judge before the cops just rifle through everyone’s pictures.
This is especially concerning given that citizens are recently being required to update their ID to a “Real ID,” which means more people than ever before are giving away the rights to their own face.
lol, no. Real ID is just a set of requirements the federal govt. has implemented to make sure state IDs are held to the same standard as passports re: data integrity and information presented. That’s all. Not mark of the beast, not something nefarious to track you more than your old state-issued DL did in the past. As far as “recently”? Nope, states have had 20 years.
I’m blocked from the link and archive.org appears to be down at the moment.
Is this blocking police from touching the data regardless of where it came from, or would it still be okay for the police to request it from a fusion center? Fusion centers are one of the biggest workarounds on police regulations in the US.
Real ID
This was heavily discussed quite a bit since the mid 2000s. Overblown, protested, and surrounded with doom and gloom talk mostly by folks like Alex Jones. It’s been openly talked about by the government for a long time. I mean, the US has always had a form of facial recognition based on the tech at the time. And honestly you’re fooling yourself if you think avoiding the DMV or something similar is going to somehow keep you free from these databases.
It’s pretty low on my lists of concerns.
copilot
Copilot is not a new problem. Privacy concerns around search and answer tech go back to early Google days.
What can we do
Well that’s easy to answer. You use democracy. You start local and fight for the people who believe in what you do. Organize. Work your way up. It’s a slow process but it can work. It has. Which is why democracy is so important to fight for EVERY election. It’s the mechanism built into this country for change. However flawed it may currently be.
They also contract a company that trains facial recognition AI on social media. I think the Real ID is the least if most people’s worries
Jokes on them, they made me take off my glasses that hide aspects of my wonky face but I wear glasses 100% of the time out in the world. You’ll never catch me, copper!
(I know. I just like to think it can’t figure out crooked nose vs glasses. )
Paint your face in weird shapes and colors and tell them its a tattoo.
Qr code to rickroll tattoo
I kind of mentally prepared for it when I got my ID. Not only that but they also fingerprint your right thumb.
Just renewed my ID on Friday and I went for the Real ID. No fingerprinting. So it must differ by state.
Interesting. I’m in California
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