But what’s an ᗋR𝖢ꔠ?
Arc# is what happens when Microsoft copies it.
You just summoned a demon
Btw
No I think it’s a daemon they summoned. Maybe the notification daemon?
Intel ARC grapHics cards?
Let’s be honest, real nerds use Gentoo
a good starter distro but ideally you should make your own from scratch so you know what’s in it
Linux has a good starter kernel but ideally you should
Honestly you’re not a real one until you’ve written your own kernel entirely
You guys would deploy your own internet protocol if this conversation continued
Writing your own internet protocol is a good idea but you shouldn’t stop there. You need to run your own internet cables too to make sure it does what you want and isn’t controlled by someone else.
And develop your own plastic to cover the cables?
And what are you going to cover with it if you haven’t even started mining your copper and inventing a machine to make your fiber optics.
Wait, maybe we need to start with the electromagnetic spectrum in general.
Oh my god😭
Better start compiling now so its ready by October
Old news, gentoo has binary packages as an option
What’s the point of using Gentoo if you don’t compile?
You don’t have to choose between binary and source, you can get some pre-compiled packages that you don’t care about, but e.g. run a custom kernel at the same time.
I started my Gentoo compile in 2008. It should be ready by next October.
I did it on sparc way back in the day, took a solid week. Once was enough
Weird way to spell NixOS.
(I wish I was that advanced, maybe some day.)
Not really any harder then Arch if you know about how linux systems work and didn’t just copy paste or script your entire arch installation.
All jokes aside, after hearing that EOL is coming to Win10 this October, I have decided over the summer, before fall quarter is in and I’m back to start my 2nd year of college, that I would definitely be taking everything I need/want off of my desktop and switch to something like mint or MX because of how simple and user friendly they’ve been to me as someone who’s only been using Linux for maybe 2-3 years. Only things I would I need are dedicated time and personal drive to pull that off and a new external drive for storing all my files.
Next October.
For me “next” October and “this” October are the same, lol
The next October I see is in 2024…
Maybe I am strange, but i‘d say October next year to avoid misunderstandings
October 2025.
Even more precise 💪🏻
I’ve got selective sight, I guess.
What would be The Linux that works for most windows games and majority of enterprise corporate software? Or a linux version that can get older warez windows software to work, like Photoshop CS 6 and the like?
Mint.
popOS just because they have an installer that includes nvidia drivers out of the box.
Mint also does, no?
Installing pop os on my desktop failed.
How ? I did manage to accidentally lock myself out of my main Nvme drive the first time because I chose the encryption option and fucked up the password because of keyboard layout shenanigans, so I reinstalled it without encryption because I’m the only person with access to this PC anyway, but everything else went smooth as butter.
I don’t remember the error, but it was the Nvidia edition on my old 2016 bought desktop. I restarted the install 3 times, and it failed at the same point.
I still don’t have an OS on it at the moment, because the error was after formatting.
Was it some vendor’s prebuilt PC maybe ? Those can have some weird parts that can be hard to get to work properly on Linux.
I second this. Works almost flawlessly out of the box (I had to install another version of the Nvidia driver from the pop shop because my 3080 didn’t like the 470 version but other than that I had no issues, except with some games that require a kernel level anticheat)
1Ooh that sounds nice, because I have an Nvidia card.
Garuda Linux Gaming Edition is another option if you can get over the teenage “Dr4gonized” theme. I’d recommend it over PopOS because it’s basically Arch with everything you need for a smooth transition from Windows pre-installed. PopOS is Ubuntu-based.
Garuda has been great to me. Changing the universal theme in KDE is a really painless process, too.
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\ you dropped this
I’m to dumb for ARCH, and I find default Fedora and Ubuntu very annoying (although I haven’t tried them in a while). I did have a good experience with mint several years ago. What distros should I consider?
Mint is still basically mint from several years ago. Having tried a dizzying array of them it continues to be easy and hated on because it doesn’t involve text based configing your life away. That said, because it lags behind compared to other distros in updating the kernel, the thing that makes new hardware work, it can have a hard time with things made recently. Try the edge ISO, which has a newer kernel. The team is working on more frequent updates, Wayland (a thing you ideally never have to ever know what it is), and just delivers a comfortable desktop experience since I first screwed up my computers with Linux in 2007.
Is LMDE easy tok? Snaps scare me. (I have Nvidia 30xx btw.)
Mint uses the good parts of Ubuntu without the bad parts.
Neither version of Mint use Snaps.
The Ubuntu version is still probably the best. You won’t have to think about graphics drivers or printers. It all sort of just… Works. They rip the awful out of Ubuntu and keep the excellent, world class, support in place. You’d be hard pressed for find a better commercial and non-commercial support. You can easily search for any problems you do run into and there will not be some esoteric DISCORD as your support. There are countless forms with literally thousands of people probably somewhat knowledgeable on how to address issues. Things like CUDA and dev work are also extremely supported. My barometer is how much time I have to crap away to get a printer and scanner work. Both of which just work with Linux Mint out of the box.
when i used mint, the things that would perfectly solve all my issues without any of them returning ever were 11 year old youtube videos with 1k views. mint community is the best /srs
Fedora is great, if you don’t like the default UI (I am a GNOME hater btw) you can easily try out one of the Fedora Spins with a different desktop environment while keeping Fedora’s stability and features. I recommend Fedora KDE for faster machines and Fedora Cinnamon for older machines or people that want something that’s snappier.
Zorin if you want a simple to use system, or with a different learning curve OpenSUSE if you want GUI configuration for everything that would be CLI based in another distro. YAST2-GUI GTK has everything covered from setting up services, tweaking kernel, to adding users, altering hardware setup, GUI package selections and snapshots for rollback if you accidentally wreck your system.
Mint has became Linux 7 IMO. It just works.
I am running EndeavourOS which is arch wrapped in an installer and easy updater oneliner to update all your system and AUR packages. Still do have to interact with pacman and yay to install most things but really gives you a leg up to get started.
Linux Mint, Pop!_OS and ZorinOS are pretty nice for new users. If you want to get a little more advanced, maybe check out something like Fedora Atomic (e.g. Kinoite, Silverblue) or Universal Blue (Bazzite, Aurora, Bluefin). Arch isn’t actually that hard, they have an installation script that makes everything super easy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YE1LlTxfMQ), or you could watch a video on how to install it manually (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JYIAaLrwcY, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC7NMbl4goo)
currently trying to move my mom to linux because she hates windows spyware (especially with co-pilot), will be trying zorin and mint with her.
unrelated but is libreoffice calc good for basic excel stuff? she isnt doing anything very very complex on it, but if something breaks i do NOT want to install windows and go through that whole thing again. (i do not use libreoffice calc, just writer and sometimes draw for pdfs)
Never really used Excel or LibreOffice Calc either, but I think it should be fine. OnlyOffice is another option to check out.
wasn’t onlyoffice bought out by a corp?
How about PopOS?
Fedora is really nice now
Fedora is too stable and boring, same as Debian and Opensuse, Ubuntu is just ugly
Hahaha, too stable and boring… Do you use OSs as a form of entertainment? No wonder why people can’t take Linux enthusiasts seriously.
Fedora is too stable and boring, same as Debian and Opensuse, Ubuntu is just ugly
Hell my win10 pc hasnt had an update since '21 so no great loss
That computer better be air gapped. Security updates are essential.
i know you guys are probably right when you say that security updates are important, but why exactly? give me an example of how i could be fucked over while i’m just mindlessly playing my steam games and watching twitch+youtube on a system that hasn’t been updated since 2016.
i blindly assume that as long as i don’t download and run stupid .exes or click stupid links, i am completely fine
You don’t need to click anything suspicious. Remote code execution has in the past been done through images, PDFs, comments on some webpage, or supposedly trustworthy games. Just recently, Minecraft would let an attacker run anything on the victim’s computer due to a vulnerability in Log4j.
If your computer is not directly exposed to the internet, you might get away with some security updates that for example fix vulnerabilities that target the system firewall. But the point is, you’re constantly exposing yourself to attackers without knowing so.
A few example vectors:
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Cross-Site Scripting (XSS) allows an attacker to run arbitrary code on the victim’s browser. All that’s required is a website that doesn’t validate its input properly. That is, an attacker can write executable code into a YouTube comment and when you view that comment, your computer will execute that code. Obviously YouTube is secured against that, but there are plenty of websites where this attack can be done. Therefore, modern browsers isolate the code execution to only that “browser tab”, so the attacker can’t access some sensitive data (unless the browser has some undiscovered vulnerability or for example the page itself contains sensitive information, say your bank account details). While modern browsers should provide sufficient protection against such attacks, the take-away point is that you don’t necessarily need to click any “suspicious links”. A vulnerability in a well-known website you frequent could be discovered any day.
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An attacker can easily make your PC go to their website when typing google.com. DNS (how your computer is able to tell which web address is which computer) is not encrypted. It is incredibly easy tamper with. Why you don’t get scammed everyday is because of TLS encryption. Your computer is able to tell that the website is not Google, because it doesn’t have Google’s cryptographic “keys”. Assume that we discover a vulnerability in TLS (encryption of webpages) tomorrow and you refuse to update your operating system. Suddenly, an attacker can route any traffic they’d like back to them and you would be none the wiser. Same thing would happen if some vulnerability is discovered in X509 certificates, if ICANN’s private keys are leaked, and so on.
There are a lot of things that could go wrong. And they go wrong daily. Security updates fix vulnerabilities that we constantly find. They may be updates for your browser, your games, or indeed your operating system, depending on where that vulnerability is. The examples I gave are exaggerated, because they’re meant to be simple to understand. We do not find vulnerabilities in TLS every single day. Still, weak points are being discovered and fixed constantly. One of the bigger exploits were Spectre/Meltdown (attacks on the CPU) that let an attacker read any data they want, provided they can simply run some code on your computer in some way.
Also, obviously, if you expose yourself to the internet directly (e.g. port forwarding) or connect to an unsecure WiFi network, you’ll be bombarded with automated attacks that exploit holes found in firewall and the likes. If you open a port on your computer right now, you’ll get around a few hundred such knocks per day.
There are plenty of videos online that display what happens if you for example use a Windows 95 computer, either directly exposed to the internet or not. Might be worth watching to see just how easy it is for attackers to take over in the case of such an ancient system. Same principles apply to newer systems as well, the attacks are just more complex.
thank you for the explanation and the examples :) i will no longer be so ignorant about security updates
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For web browsing, that almost makes no difference. As long as the browser is being updated, the most important attack vectors are closed. Even if there are any exploitable vulnerabilities on the OS, that will stop malware from even getting to them.
Absolute joke of a comment. You are assuming the browser is a holy grail completely isolating the internet from the operating system.
First of all. The browser runs on the operating system’s services. In particular, the isolation that you implicitly cite is done entirely by the kernel. (That’s for example why you cannot run chrome in an unprivileged docker container - the crucial isolation-centered system calls are not available) The whole network stack is managed by the operating system. Cryptography can also partially be done OS-sided. The simplest example is CSPRNG, which is usually provided by the OS. (Advanced systems may rely on external physical generators, see Cloudflare’s lava lamps).
Secondly. Completely and utterly wrong. The linked video displays the execution of Meltdown/Spectre within a browser. Using JavaScript. This allows the attacker to gain access to any data they want on your computer simply by running some JavaScript code. Easily remotely executed via XSS on a poorly written website. You may read the full article here. Or inform yourself about Meltdown and Spectre here. How is that relevant? Combating this vulnerability was primarily done via critical OS updates. The exploits are inherit to certain CPUs and are therefore not fully fixable. Still, the combination of BIOS, Chipset, OS, and browser updates help prevent very serious attack vectors. (That’s the reason why the browser’s time measurement is only accurate to about the millisecond.)
So no. Browsers aren’t the magic solution to everything (sorry Ubuntu Snap). They very much depend on the OS providing the assumed security guarantees. And even assuming no direct vulnerabilities in the OS, we can never exclude side-channel attacks, like what Meltdown and Spectre were (or still are if you refuse to update your system).
It has no internet connection, so no
You mean yes lol. That’s air gapped.
btw
I like how they end support for OS without providing an upgrade for a lot of people. Might as well put a Linux ad in their “Your PC is not supported” bullshit.
They even have a guide on how to install Linux: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install
“Bare Metal Linux”. I like it!
My laptop which is still perfectly usable doesn’t have support for 11. Im probably gonna switch to mint or popos but I know lots of ppl that dont have new laptops and they just fucked? And there are tons of end users that just have no desire to learn some of the intricacies of linux even if it is something mostly simple like mint. They’re gonna have to support security updates when they see the adoption numbers. Just like they had to do with 7 till they basically got to 10.
Now now, let’s keep honest here. They did provide option to install Win 11 on unsupported hardware. It’s just slightly hidden, prolly to avoid people bricking their pc’s an blaming MS. And also it won’t update.
All these gaming anti-cheats better become Linux compatible cause I’m definitely not upgrading to 11
Anti cheat is about the only thing that doesn’t work but I see that as a bonus. Anti cheat is more like a virus than it ever has been with the rootkit thing.
EAC and Battleye both can work with Proton, the developers just need to set it up. Those two cover most of the gaming anticheat market. Battleye should be as simple as the dev telling Battleye to turn on Proton support and EAC should be an SDK upgrade.
It’s all relatively easy to support Linux, people just need to pressure developers to make it happen.
If enough people switch then they’ll be forced to support it
Unfortunately users tend to have a “once they support a platform I’m not on then I’ll swap” mentality
So…
Windows 10: the “last” windows version
Release Windows 11, requires specific hardware that you can’t realistically add to your existing PC. But Windows 10 will keep being updated
Windows 10 is not getting anymore updates
Love it, no notes.
To be fair, my understanding is the “10 is the last version” idea came from a developer speaking in an unofficial capacity and the media ran with it. It may have never been true.
While that is technically true, Microsoft didn’t really make any effort to correct the misunderstanding, despite it being a widely reported story in tech.
I suspect they had a legitimate faction that was going to say “rolling release” and so they let it go.
It was definitely an official capacity because it was a Microsoft conference, but his phrasing was more like “latest” even though he said last. I think they misspoke.
Linux mint cinnamon but cool cool
Fedora (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Can I use Video Editing programs like Vegas on Linux?
Vegas work under proton
Like Vegas? Sure. Open source stuff like kdenlive and shotcut exists. Davinci resolve is available for Linux for more professional stuff. Specifically Vegas? Probably only under a VM, and you’d like get awful performance, so not worth it. If you’re a professional, Linux isn’t always an option, especially if you are in a software ecosystem that doesn’t work there
Worth noting that the free version of Davinci Resolve doesn’t support H.264/H.265 under Linux. You will need to use another format or pay for the full version. ($295)
Yes, using the Wine translation layer.
KDEnlive is useful for inline video editing, and Davinci Resolve is more of a pro level tool. I have no idea about Vegas.
From which program did you edit this? Which brush?
Wdym?
Gimp or krita or what?
I was trying to make a joke about this being legitimate and not an edit lol