• FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I was screen sharing to someone when this happened and they asked why I don’t use Google when other search engines are this unreliable. Despite me explaining it wasn’t the usual, It was still pretty embarrassing lol. Wonder if DDG has the resources for an independent index.

  • kia@lemmy.caEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Apparently the whole ecosystem is down… DDG, Bing, etc.

    • ekZepp@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Now we know what happen when someone in Google pray their AI Overlord to increase Google search traffic

      …the AI just cut down the competition.

    • sturlabragason@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      It seems my (very hated choice) of an Bing independent search engine is paying off; Brave Search.

      Before you start telling me the CEO is a fucking dickwad, I know. Most leadership types are.

      • aasatru@kbin.earth
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        2 months ago

        I was paying for Kagi until recently, but they keep working on functionality I’m not interested in rather than lowering their prices. Other than that it was a fine experience, but too pricey, and the argument that that’s the cost of running a search engine doesn’t hold when they choose to develop all kinds of extra stuff.

        I wish I liked SearXNG better, but the results are sadly not that great for me.

      • Katzastrophe@feddit.deEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Honest question, in what way do you think your comment is contributing to the conversation? At best it’s a recommendation bundled with a brag, which will only make people hate the thing you’re talking about even more, and at worst you’re making fun of people for simply using a different search engine.

        You could have said something like “Fyi, Brave doesn’t use a bigger search engine as its base, so if you need to look something up rn you can use their search engine”, much nicer, not patronizing, and actually helpful

        • aasatru@kbin.earth
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          2 months ago

          I think there’s a lot of us who would ideally want to avoid both Microsoft and Google, and now that Bing is having problems it’s more relevant than ever. I don’t really see how the comment is braggy or patronising.

          That said, I’m not comfortable using Brave either. I wish Mozilla or the Internet Archive would launch a search engine. Maybe both in cooperation. Then again, it would require Mozilla to bite the hand that feeds it.

          • ekZepp@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Totally agreed. Hell, I’m even considering a full dive in Linux for the future. Anyone know if is possible to use something like Valve’s Proton to have windows programs run smoothly? (wine is kinda heavy)

            • kurcatovium@lemm.eeEnglish
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              2 months ago

              It depends on what programs and how much do you need them. Some are fine with plain wine, some need more tinkering. There are multiple ways, starting from lutris, through bottles, to steam’s “non-steam game”. But still there are some SW that just won’t work on linux no matter what.

          • Katzastrophe@feddit.deEnglish
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            2 months ago

            The reason why I interpret the comment as patronizing is how it is formulated as a personal comment, the choice of language, about how their choice of engine is hated, even though the comment they are responding to has not made an insinuation that choosing a search engine not based on the bigger ones is a bad thing (nor has it mentioned Brave at all), as well as how it is not contributing anything to the conversation apart from the information that the writer in question:

            A. Uses Brave

            B. Apparently made the ‘unpopular’ choice to use an independent search engine

            C. Is aware of controversies surrounding Brave’s leadership

            None of this information is a response or even reinterpretation of the prior text, as such it is akin to someone shouting “Well I use Android!!” in the middle of a conversation about how to solve a problem with FaceID

            And about an independent search engine, I would also much prefer more options, but as you have already said, the organizations with the biggest potential are also currently quite unwilling to do anything to solve the situation

            • aasatru@kbin.earth
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              2 months ago

              Yeah, fair enough. I read the post more favourably, as a “at least my alternative is still working well for me”, but then also being aware that every time Brave is mentioned someone jumps on and reminds everyone that the CEO is a jerk, so it saves us the time by addressing it right away.

              Both interpretations are valid I guess. :)

        • sturlabragason@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Well I didn’t intend for it to come off as to dickish or patronizing, but I guess I can see that now, and for that I am sorry. It might be my toxic personality bleeding trough :D

          But you are totally correct, I could have phrased my comment wayyy better.

          Also;

          I don’t really like Brave at all, I don’t like Mozilla either. It’s more that I am forced to use something that doesn’t interrupt my productivity. Frankly I don’t like the state of the internet, and especially browsers, one of the the most important aspects of the experience. I’d really prefer to use something that is akin to Linux when it comes to browsers, i.e. not run by a board of ass wipes. Same for my search engine. I’m glad for the parts of it that are modernized-retro, i.e. easily being able to self-host/web-host containerized stuff, add stuff to your RSS feed, Lemmy etc. I’d like a browser that embodies some of that. I host a bunch of stuff on a Ubuntu laptop running Traefik and some containers… Gives me a warm feeling.

          • Katzastrophe@feddit.deEnglish
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            2 months ago

            No worries, it’s understandable that sometimes we just accidentally let the inner asshole out.

            My comment was also not something I usually write, but rather an accidental rant on my part. I’ve seen an increase in rude comments in recent times, and your comment was unfortunately the last drop in the bucket so to speak.

            Long story short, I’m sorry for ranting at you, it wasn’t something I should have done in hindsight, and I intend to not let it happen again

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I’m kind of surprised that the Bing guys don’t seem to have a system status page (that I could find) and haven’t managed to have any kind of status message put on their main page.

      Finally answering the question “If Bing was down, would anyone notice”?

    • bean@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Companies need to stop using TWITTER for anything. They’re walling up the garden we built, and it’s a cesspool of bots and run by a megalomaniac charlatan.

    • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Bing guys don’t seem to have a system status page (that I could find)

      Microsoft’s current MO is “very basic information is a privilege, not something you as the user should have access to easily”.

      It’s why I have to use PowerShell and Graph to get half the relevant data I need, because they won’t just put it in the god damn admin panels.

      • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Based on the downdetector conversation, it’s “working intermittently”. I managed to get one search through on bing and a bunch of failures. No successes for duckduckgo.

        EDIT: Also, while I was at least getting to the Bing main page without problems before – just getting errors when attempting to search – now even the main page is loading extremely slowly.

  • troed@fedia.io
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    2 months ago

    This is a good time to use your 100 free searches using kagi.com

    Not affiliated - but after having used mine I started paying for it. No SEO spam. No ads. Just good search results.

    • VerseAndVermin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Do you know if you can just pay the difference to upgrade from simple to unlimited? I’m pretty sure I will gobble the 300 searches but they claim that 99% of people do not.

      • Skye@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Yeah you can. When I upgraded from the then middle tier to the unlimited I just paid the difference pro rata iirc

    • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
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      2 months ago

      kagi

      I’d heard the name, but hadn’t paid attention to them. Looks like it’s a “you pay us, we provide search results, we don’t log your search activity” service, which is pretty much what I wanted, so I’m gonna try subscribing to them. They seem okay, but honestly, as long as a search engine is reasonably usable and doesn’t data-mine me, I’m not too picky. Thanks for the recommendation.

    • Optional@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Btw as I discovered, it’s 100 searches total, then you either pay, gtfo, or sign up under a different address.

    • chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Ok. I went to that site, and I’m scrolling down… I get to the video demo of their searches, and it shows the exact same thing I last searched for… in the demo video? Am I losing my fucking mind here?

      • ekZepp@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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        2 months ago

        I don’t know Jonathan, are you? Why don’t take a pause from your phone an take your dog Abby for a walk in the park as you usually do? 👁 👁