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      Truly! I hope that this post can serve as a reminder to parents that guns should be locked in a safe. Basic gun safety education can also be immensely valuable.

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          Kids are supposed to be dumb. Someone older than him that should have known better enabled this.

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            You are correct. To expand on this a bit, people up until their twenties don’t have fully formed brains. They’re effectively the equivalent of an adult with frontal lobe damage who is hopped up on steroids.

            Given the frontal lobes are responsible for impulse control and problem solving and the hormonal cocktail of puberty hinders the same, adults need to respectfully treat children like brain damaged, roid raging idiots who are liable to spontaneously make incredibly stupid decisions, even if, no, especially if they have a long history of sound judgment.

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      While the gun crowd is better about formalizing this, l’d generalize it to any system that can kill or maim you, power tools or whatever.

      If a device has multiple layers of safety features or procedure designed to keep it from killing or maiming you, don’t disable all but one with the expectation that the last layer will save you. If there are multiple layers there, it’s because they were deemed necessary.

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        If there are multiple layers there, it’s because they were deemed necessary.

        indeed; safety protocols are written in blood!

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        Literally this. My father in law got me some wire shorts for a riding mower I own that disabled the seat detection and backwards motion detectors that turn off the mower blade. I asked him if he ever had an issue with those features and he said they were annoying, but also he fell off the mower once and almost got run over. Just because you feel safe doesn’t mean you are.

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        What’s funny is, a survey of most dangerous tools in workplaces found the humble step stool to be the most dangerous. (May have included very short ladders,).

        According to the actuary that told me this, his suspicion was that it was a matter of respect. Only a fucking dumb person failed to see the danger in a 40’ ladder. A step stool on the other hand was no big deal cuz it was just a foot or two off the ground.

        That foot or two is enough to permanently paralyze you or leave you dead.

        In any case… you’re absolutely right about the multiple layers of protection being there for a reason.

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      Especially when it is loaded. The way the story reads he knew it was loaded, he just pulled the trigger by accident.

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        That’s often issue #1. Every gun nut makes up all sorts of stories about how difficult it is to get. Then the gun is in the hands of a child, immediately blames the parents or shitty environment.

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    Terry Kath?

    Edit: just swap “guitarist” for “rapper” and “social media” for “showing off for friends irl”

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    I am apalled to see the comments here making light of the death of a child with their “win stupid prizes” schtick.

    Instead of talking about access to gun safety education. Instead of reminding parents about the absolute necessity of gun lockers. Instead calling for gun reform so kids can’t get guns in the first place.

    But no, carry on victim blaming, seems much more productive.

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        It was a child. 17 year olds are not allowed to drink, smoke, be in porn, rent cars, and many more things because they do not have the mental capacity of an adult. Victim blaming a child does nothing for anyone but make you feel self righteous.

        CDC:

        Unintentional injury is a leading cause of death among U.S. children and adolescents aged 0–17 years, and firearms are a leading injury method.

        Securing firearms (e.g., locked, unloaded, and separate from ammunition) is protective against unintentional firearm injury deaths among children and adolescents, underscoring the importance of promoting secure firearm storage.

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          he pointed a gun at his head and pulled the trigger.

          Seems like this is well past being a ‘gun safety’ issue. I’m not going to give a 17 year old a pass on driving into oncoming traffic just because they ‘do not have the mental capacity of an adult’. This was an exceptionally stupid teen. Tragic that their stupidity combined with access to modern technology ended their life but that’s what happened and I’m just glad his stupidity didn’t hurt anyone else.

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            Wrong, potentially because you are malinformed, but quite wrong.

            This is absolutely a ‘gun safety’ issue, because any gun safety course will have treat every gun as if it’s loaded as one of the first principles.

            The average 17 year old driving has had dozens of hours of training before being licensed. The same should apply to 17 year olds with guns at minimum.

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              Do you know that he didn’t take a gun safety course? For all we know, he could have had plenty of knowledge on how to safely handle a firearm and simply decided to ignore it for the sake of looking cool. The fact is that no amount of safety training can stop someone who decides to do something stupid.

              I absolutely agree with your last point though. There should be extensive training in how to handle a firearm safely required before someone can buy a gun.

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                Thank you for your comment. I won’t do any speculation either way regarding this specific situation.

                What is important is the messaging to parents and society at large of the importance of the safety measures that we both seem to agree on :) Blaming and laughing at the kid straight away in this situation detracts from that crucial message that gun safes and basic education for kids save lives.

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                I mean I was with you so far, a 17 year old can drive a car, so we agree that they’re capable of taking on significant risks to themselves and others, they’re not babies that need to be Molly-coddled. But if he had to take a course and pass a test before getting a gun this very well could have been avoided. Most countries have a gun safety course requirement and therefore much lower rates of this shit happening.

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                Unironically yes. Kids are dumb as shit but if we as a society insist on guns being around, the least we can do is reduce the harm by giving them the education they need to be around guns safely.

                You snarked your way into being correct.

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                  the least we can do is reduce the harm by giving them the education they need to be around guns safely.

                  I agree with that statement, but that dumbass would still have a hole in his head. Quality drivers education lowers collision rates, but reckless kids still kill in cars everyday.

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          It is not a “child”, you imbecile.

          It is the stereotypical hysterical Karen who will say anyone under 18yrs is “my baby, my child!”.

          There is a huge huge huge difference between a 5 year old (an actual fucking child), and a 17 year old. One has gone all the way through puberty into young adulthood, significantly more brain development and experiences. A 17yr old is not a child.

          We have something called language, which has words, with definitions. Fetus, infant, baby, toddler, child, preteen, adolescent, teenager, young adult, adult.

          Changing the definition of child to any age under 18 just to virtue signal your agenda, is blatantly disingenuous.

          A 17 yr old has plenty experience enough to know not to put a real gun to his head and pull the trigger. Huge huge huge difference if a 5yr old does it.

          17 is not a child.

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      Note: Not American.

      No offence, but it’s not like kids dying has ever forced Americans to rethink gun control. I don’t know why this would coerce anyone to reconsider. The reaction will almost certainly be what you see.

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        the way i think about it is like a power tool.

        Angle grinder discs can explode and easily hospitalize you in the blink of an eye, even if you do nothing wrong. This doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be using angle grinders, this just means you should have a certain level of respect, and handling capability when operating these tools. Plus wear PPE, it’s super cheap health insurance. A blade getting lodged in your face shield will rattle the shit out of you. But it won’t rattle the shit out of your brains.

        I think this is something that we lack with guns on a more broad context, for various reasons.

        Likewise, a lot of roofing guys will use modified nail guns because retail nailguns are rather annoying to use, and bump nailing makes for incredibly fast work. Which makes everyone happy. However they can be dangerous, which is why most people, presumably a lot of recent roofers included, won’t actually use bump nailing. Granted nails aren’t as likely to be fatal, they’re still fuckin spooky. At the end of the day, it comes down to having a certain level of respect for tools, and the machines you work with.

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        I mean you are definitely correct. The response to a kid dying still shouldn’t be joking about how dumb he was.

        All kids are dumb; they’re kids. That’s the point. A society that lets kids get their hands on guns untrained has already failed.

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          Yeah but we’ve gone so far beyond societal failure that these events are now normalized. Sure it’s a dead kid, one of hundreds this year alone. This one was at least killed by their own hand, as opposed to another kid. Since our society refuses to do anything about gun control or safety, we’ll see hundreds more shot kids before the end of this year.

          You can either joke about it or collapse under the sheer horror of it all.

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            and both conservatives and liberals seem to love shitting on the other party, more than actually fucking educating people about this shit. Granted i’ve seen quite a few respectable people that do. I just wish it was more of a thing within the gun community, and inside of the gun control crowd as well.

            Politics as per usual makes things stupider than they need to be.

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        Americans think the answer to kids dying from guns is more guns. To most of us, Saying they can’t keep a fully loaded gun in every room completely unattended is the same as kicking the door in to seize them.

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      Agreed. We need to reform rap culture that suggests that guns are props to be waved around in TikToks and YouTube videos while ignoring all safety rules. We also need to reform absentee parenting culture across the board.

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        good solution to this problem: post this video on the internet.

        People will be a lot less inclined to do this shit once they get blind sided by this video lmao.

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        Not instead but in addition, sure! I personally don’t see the relevance of this here but yes, mental health awareness is important

        Unless this is a troll comment and you are just being snarky :( in which case leave me alone

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          You’re right either way. Too many people grab onto a single “this is the reason!” monologue and run with it.

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        Honestly as an American I’d love it we talked about both and perhaps actually did anything about either

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      17 is not a child. 17 year olds can get legally married and have kids. 17 year olds can hold full time jobs. 17 year olds can be tried as adults for crimes.

      And yeah, I’m sure as fuck going to blame him here. He’s not a victim! His loved ones are the victims. I’ve been 17 before. I remember my level of stupidity and the level of those around me. We were dumb as fuck. You know what we didn’t do? Point guns at our heads. I didn’t grow up with guns and had only shot a gun one time by the time I was 17, and I knew to never point a gun at my head.

      The only time I’ve seen someone point a gun at their head in person was a 19 year old dude in college who was looking down the barrel of his friend’s gun checking to see if it was loaded. We immediately yelled at him to stop and then lectured him about how dumb it was. He refused to believe he was in any danger even after multiple people lectured him. We tried to give him gun training after the fact, but he didn’t believe us.

      It’s not his age. It’s not that he didn’t get safe gun training. He’s just a dumbass.

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        17 is legally not classified as an adult, you can’t vote, you can’t drink, in some cases you can’t even legally consent to having sex.

        Developmentally, half of 25, is 12.5 years old. 17 is just about 3/4’s of the way developed.

        You can start driving at the age of 15/16, start working close to 14. None of these things define adulthood.

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        I was going to talk about how this could have been avoided with some popular reforms but you convinced me this little shit had it coming. In fact, we should speed up the process by hiring people with guns and send them into areas where people like these are likely to be. We can give these hired guns a license to kill anyone who makes them “afraid of their safety” and we’ll give them a uniform so you know you should respect their authority.

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        Biologically, a seventeen year old is still an adolescent who lacks fully formed frontal lobes. Frontal lobes are responsible, amongst other things, for impulse control, judgment, and problem solving. Just adding a little context. Even if society claims they’re an adult, functionally they’re not.

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      I wanna go out in one of those embarrassing ways where people don’t discuss it. like discovered with my pants around my ankles swinging in the pantry after trying autoerotic asphyxiation.

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          I’ll grant you that. “Died by aviation misadventure” definitely sounds a lot better than “accidentally drove his paraglider into the side of a barn”

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      I’m not sure, a bullet in the head is - among all the others - one of the better ways to go. Maybe preferably at 70, not 17, but still.

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        I hate to be morbid, but people don’t realize how easy it is to screw up shooting yourself. It’s a shitty way to go unless you know what you’re doing.

        From the family’s Facebook:

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          My wife’s uncle attempted suicide by shooting himself in the head. He not only survived, but he’s mentally disabled now. His wife has to spend the rest of her life changing diapers and caring for him like he’s a child because he scrambled his brains. There’s no hint of the person he used to be anymore; he can’t even speak proper words.

          Please don’t do this to your loved ones.

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        I dunno, maybe with a 12 gauge slug, or maybe buckshot, but, with anything lesser than that, I’d be pretty skeptical that it’s a my preferred choice of death.

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        I nearly got taken out by a momma moose while I was trying to pet her baby in Alaska, there’s a non-zero chance this is how I’ll meet my demise as well.

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            I saw a baby moose, it was about 5’ tall and I didn’t see the mom anywhere so I figured I could probably pet it and get away but she was standing in the brush line about 50ft away. When I got near the baby the mom charged out of the tree line and my wife drug me back into our truck. I can’t adequately explain why but it’s the same lack of survival skills that lead me to pick up a snapping turtle (in my defence they were in the middle of the freeway and I moved them to the shoulder).

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    Did… did he even empty the mag?

    Rack the slide?

    Did he just fucking think the safety was on?

    Goddamn, fucking instant Darwin Award, good job buddy.

    EDIT: Ok apparently he switched the safety off???

    Astounding.

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      Did he just fucking think the safety was on?

      That looks like a Glock, and Glocks don’t have a manual safety. A lot of modern pistols don’t have them anymore. Not that having one would have helped this guy. With gun handling this reckless it was only a matter of time before something bad happened.

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          Because gun manufacturers are fucking morons that think ease of use for anyone and everyone is an appealing priority over safety protocols on the weapon that can, as we have seen, very easily kill you. If you can’t train to take the safety off when you need it, if you can’t spare the tenth of a second it takes to turn it off, you probably shouldn’t be using a gun.

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            When I purchased my handgun, so many people asked “why are you getting the model with the safety? That’s one more thing you gotta worry about in a dangerous situation.”

            I firmly believe that if I can’t be disciplined enough to flip a switch before potentially ending someone’s life, I’m not responsible enough to carry a firearm.

            That, and the idea of carrying a pistol with no safety and a bullet racked terrifies me since my holster aims right at my dick haha

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          Not necessarily. With most newer pistols being designed to be drop safe, modern hard-sided Kydex retention holsters have taken over most of the function that you used to need a manual safety for.

          Safeties aren’t there to prevent the person holding the gun from pulling the trigger, and they’re not meant to compensate for unsafe handling of the gun. They’re mostly there to keep the gun from firing while you’re carrying it, or if it gets dropped. Imagine a soldier walking through some dense brush, or hitting the ground while diving for cover with a pistol in a leather or nylon holster on their hip. If you bump into the wrong stray branch, or land on the wrong rock, it could poke the holster hard enough to pull the trigger through the side of the holster. So you need something that physically prevents the trigger from being pulled.

          Glocks, and other brands of similarly designed pistols have several internal safeties that make it drop-safe, and which block the firing pin from moving forward unless the trigger is pulled all the way. It’s next to impossible for a Glock to go off unless the trigger is pulled. Then with a modern hard-sided retention holster protecting the trigger, you can carry with a round in the chamber and not have to worry about the gun going off. It makes a traditional manual safety a little redundant, and some companies just don’t bother with it anymore. On a lot of hammer-fired pistols it’s been replaced by a de-cocker.

          The thing manual safeties are still nice to have for is re-holstering your gun while the holster is on your body. You don’t have to worry about loose clothing getting caught in the trigger guard as much. You should still be careful doing it, but it’s nice to have that extra layer of safety. But then, if you’re walking around with a gun it really should never come out of its holster except for a life-or-death situation.

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          Automatic safeties are a thing and pretty common.

          In some cases, the safety is built into the trigger or the grip or both. With a grip safety, if you grip the gun properly, the safety turns off. Likewise a trigger may be split, with one piece further forward than the rest. You have to pull the trigger properly to disengage the safety as you shoot it.

          see a picture here

          In this case you have to pull the trigger properly while also gripping the gun properly. No manual safety, but it still won’t fire if you drop it or a pen works it’s way into the trigger guard in a purse or something.

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        Just curious, which part of it looked like a Glock? You don’t seem unfamiliar with them so I’m sure you’re not just going by the brand from TV. I can’t see it at all, but I am genuinely wondering (enough to ask)

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          I do actually know the difference between a Glock and a S&W. The video I saw was light on pixels, and the way it was edited the gun was in motion for most of it. I could tell it was a striker-fired pistol, but it was hard to make out exactly which one, and I’m at work and didn’t want to Google up a higher quality video of a guy shooting himself in the head. It looked enough like a Glock, and it’s usually a Glock in these types of videos so I just kind of guessed. Apparently I got it wrong.

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          I’d never had a gun before I joined the army After I got out I was shocked to learn gun without a safety were a thing. Still just seems insane to me even though I get why they don’t.

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            The idea is that a gun that’s being carried for self-defense is meant to be used in a flash under stress. In that event, the manual safety is forgotten very, very often. If you pull a concealed pistol on an assailant and forget about the safety, all you’ve done is handed your attacker a free gun.

            And accidents with carry guns due to a lack of manual safety are very rare. They tend to have longer trigger pulls or are double-action, and the real safety is the holster, which should not only protect the trigge guard, but encourage safe finger placement on draw. Some even have a release button that requires you to put your trigger finger in a safe draw position outside of the trigger guard in order to draw.

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      It’s worst than you could imagine. There’s a trend of people filming themselves repeatedly pulling the slack off their trigger with fully loaded Glocks. Pointed at their dick !

      The Darwin Awards competition is tough.

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        There was a meme post yesterday or something about an androgenous person being asked what their gender was, being coy and then pulling up their shirt to reveal they are packing a pistol in their waistband, no holster.

        Someone genuinely asked if this is actually a thing people do and if its a good idea or not.

        Now possibly this person was not American and thus is not super exposed to guns but… just a shocking amount of people seemed to not understand that like… you dont do this because without a proper holster the gun can easily fall out or even go off, get the safety switched off, etc.

        As a leftist with a modicum of actual firearms experience, its insanely embarrassing watching a huge amount of online leftists have a whole bunch of opinions about guns, make a bunch of jokes about using guns, when its pretty obvious these are the kind of people that have no clue what they are talking about, the kind of people I would not want to go to a range with because I’d be worried they’d kill themselves or me.

        Of course, there’s even more right wing or just criminal idiots with even worse behavior, but its usually pretty easy to avoid them on the internet.

        I don’t even use the more mainstream social media at all due to highly concentrated cringe, advertisements and general brain rot nonsense, I can’t handle it, so seeing something like this, or what you said, a fucking meme of edging a glock to blow your own dick off… fucking ugh.

        Anyway blah blah guess I felt like ranting, anybody that doesn’t respect a firearm and injures or kills themselves due entirely to their own stupidity deserves no sympathy and should be laughed at.

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          I feel you. I’m a left winger and target shooting is one my hobbies so I have a lot of respect for firearm safety.

          It hurts watching firearms handling in movies, watching people doing potentially lethal stupid things with them when more. There a just a handful of very sensible rules to follow and they are designed so that following at least a couple of them at the same time can prevent a tragedy. Yet people want to look cool and ignore every single one and inevitably blood is spilled.

          All the knowledge in the world at our fingertips and this is how some choose to use the Internet. It’s heartbreaking.

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        At this point I think I agree with you.

        You can completely do it with snap caps and basically semi realistic without firing pins and made of 3d printed plastic that could not actually be used as a real weapon.

        There are soooo many guns in America… we teach sex ed and give out condoms and teach about birth control for safety and health reasons. We teach about the harmfulness of drugs. We teach about cars, we teach about diets.

        Why not guns as well?

        Don’t have to teach how to fucking use the things. Just basic safety.

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            Sex ed is actually the perfect analogy for how Democrats approach guns. California teaches gun safety like Mississippi teaches sex ed.

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              It’s weird to see people trying to pull a reverse Uno on this one “Did you know the people standing in the way of proper gun safety education and regulation are actually the most safe gun owners?”

              Yeah, that’s bullshit. Morons in places like Wyoming are riding around with their gun out loose on their truck seat, carrying it around like they’re in some wild west fantasy.

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    I hate to sound like a callous ass, but I don’t think the world lost a great mind. What a stupid way to go.

    And, it’s not even like that video where the two kids who were like 10 and 12 years old (I’m approximating based on faulty memory) accidentally killed themselves playing with a gun. Your brain may still be developing into your early twenties, but at 17 you should know better by far.

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      The boy appeared to switch off the weapon’s safety and point it at his head

      He knew enough about how they work to turn off the safety

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          I don’t know, it wouldn’t really make sense. It’s not the behavior of someone that actually intends to commit suicide.

          I think it’s profound stupidity. I know people here are calling it victim blaming, with the implication that he’s a victim of, idk, illegal weapon sales? But you have to admit at 17 years old, it requires profound stupidity to turn off the safety and point a weapon at your own head with your finger on the trigger.

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    one less idiot around, at least he offed himself instead of some different person

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    Ever since becoming a parent this kind of tragedy really gets to me. I’m glad I don’t have a gun in the house anymore, at least. Consider doing the same, if you’ve got babies. They can be clever before they’re smart, it’s not their fault they wanted to impress their friends.

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      You should teach your kids basic gun safety anyway imo. Because they could go to a friend’s house where there’s a gun.

      The only true protection is educating them to not do stupid things.

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          Living in the UK, I have never seen an actual firearm outside of specialist police and museums. Nor has that presented any problems. shrug

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              And before anyone says it, the only person to menace me with a knife has been my partner… and I think she was joking.

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                That’s for her to know :)

                I do feel like the media coverage of knife crime is overblown. The violent crime rate here is pretty low, and yet you have to be an adult to buy a seam ripper. Knife sales aren’t the reason for rises in violent crime, inequality is. Hopefully we can begin to address that with a new administration.

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                  I didn’t call her bluff, so who’s to say.

                  It’s comparatively low, but you take about the level of crime you have I guess, rather than crime you could have. I don’t hold much hope for whatever bizarre Frankenstein’s government is next in charge of the country, but we’ll have to cross that channel when we come to it.

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                menace me with a knife

                Regardless, a knife isn’t any risk to innocent people across the street from the intended victim. A gun on the other hand…

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                  How many knives can a disaffected teen carry/throw per minute?

                  I wouldn’t seek to downplay how much damage a sufficiently motivated individual with a knife can do in a short space of time, but it is certainly orders of magnitude lower than a firearm in most cases.

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      At the very least, get a trigger lock or firearm safe. We don’t even have kids but I could never live with myself if a relative or neighbor kid hurt themselves or someone else with one of our firearms, so we have a safe.

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        Trigger locks are laughable, or were when I was researching this. I’ve left my revolver to family back in the states (as this one cannot be made UK compliant), but I’m still getting good use out of the fingerprint safe I got for it.

        I do miss shooting sometimes, and it was fun to make and test a new cartridge between 45 and 454 Casull, but that’s all behind me now.

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        When I was young, my Dad simply didn’t have ammunition in the house. If we went to the range or were going hunting, we’d buy ammo on the way and we’d shoot it all or give away whatever was left over to another shooter.

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          That’s what it’s like here in Switzerland.

          You’re allowed to store guns at home but ammo is heavily restricted.

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            No, what you say is not correct. You probably think about military service rifles only. But you can buy (and stash a lot of) ammunition as a civilian. The seller only had to make some basic background checks. I think recently, they made it a bit harder and you have also to prove you own the corresponding firearm?

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        And check if the lockpickinglawyer already tested said trigger lock.

        It’s bit my area of expertise; but the ones he tested where far from safe.