• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    6 months ago

    How do you get media and financial backing if you fundamentally go against that which maintains their funding?

    I agree that leftists should organize, but more along the lines of the Black Panther Party or other groups actively making a difference first.

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      6 months ago

      The Black Panther Party is your standard for making a difference.

      Yeah, that’s about what I expected.

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          The group that came in at the tail end of the civil rights movement, murdered its own members, and then was effectively shuttered by the FBI?

          THAT’S your standard for success?

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              Against Black folk, since we both know that Reagan and the establishment were utterly uninterested in disarming white folk at the time.

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            A movement that helped secure the ADA with their support, and had the full weight of the state security apparatus turned against them. An organization that was so unimpactful the FBI assassinated their leaders.

            They also started a lunch program that spread to multiple cities and was successful enough that the government stepped in to start one of their own so that they could not look as bad in comparison.

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              A movement that helped secure the ADA with their support

              Almost a decade after the height of their power, you associate the Black Panther Party’s support in giving meals to a disability rights protest as being important to the ADA, which itself would not be passed for another decade and a half after that.

              That’s… that’s really what we’re reaching for?

              An organization that was so unimpactful the FBI assassinated their leaders.

              Yeah, I’m not sure that “The FBI under Hoover, which was terrified that homosexuals were secret Communist infiltrators, was scared of them” is exactly a great rational assessment of their threat.

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        Yes, directly supporting and feeding children, supported gay rights, and promoted leftist theory and community building is good.

        Hating on the Black Panther Party is about what I expected of you, funny enough.

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          6 months ago

          Loving the Black Panther Party for having a nice ten points and a horrible record of not actually accomplishing anything substantial and murdering members of their own organization for not being sufficiently pure is about what I expected of an ML.

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            Helping children not starve isn’t anything substantial, got it. They had a lasting impact, and the US murdered Fred Hampton because the organization was effective.

            Never said I was an ML, but you sure do love lying about others when you get scratched.

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      6 months ago

      You develop funding from sources you find more ethical: macro union agreements.

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        I agree that organizing is fantastic, but the sheer difference in quantity of Capital is why it is necessary for a leftist party to focus primarily on delivering needs externally to the system before attempting to win over local and state level elections. Grow from the bottom up.

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        You need to look up present income inequality statistics. Billionaires are insane and inflation is making normal working class people tighten their budgets a lot. It’s a very uphill battle or outfund billionaires.