The internet has made a lot of people armchair experts happy to offer their perspective with a degree of certainty, without doing the work to identify gaps in their knowledge. Often the mark of genuine expertise is knowing the limitations of your knowledge.
This isn’t a social media thing exclusively of course, I’ve met it in the real world too.
When I worked as a repair technician, members of the public would ask me for my diagnosis of faults and then debate them with me.
I’ve dedicated the second half of my life to understanding people and how they work, in this field it’s even worse because everyone has opinions on that topic!
And yet my friend who has a physics PhD doesn’t endure people explaining why his theories about battery tech are incorrect because of an article they read or an anecdote from someone’s past.
So I’m curious, do some fields experience this more than others?
If you have a field of expertise do you find people love to debate you without taking into account the gulf of awareness, skills and knowledge?
LMAO. No. You can’t convince an overconfident idiot with facts and experience.
Im no expert but after 15 years in mail and parcel logistics I know shit. Ive been told Im “too close to the issue” to be objective. I even posted links to business services for a major international carrier to back up what I said and apparently any evidence I provide is “Biased”
So the only people you can turn to for factual answers are people with no fucking idea apparently.
I’m a cloud engineer that works for a large software company that does R&D for 3D modeling companies, aero space, a couple alphabet agencies. They fucking hate me in /c/selfhosted
Software engineers, supposed “experts”, can’t even agree among each other how to structure and build software, let alone agree with project managers, users and other laypeople.
Source: Am software engineer.
Structure and build? Look at the guy using Waterfall instead of Agile development.
Source: Am also software engineer.
That’s because whatever system you’ve got now feels old and tired, but that new system that just came out looks so new and useful. I mean, it can’t hurt to change the entire thing half way through development again, right?
I’d call it healthy debate but I’ve never met a software engineer who had a healthy anything
In my experience there are two types of software engineers. Those who are narcissistic and believe their own bullshit and those who suffer from crippling imposter syndrome. Few can agree on what is the best way to do things but most will agree to do things the wrong way for money.
Crazy thing is that doing it the wrong way is the best way to have job security. Fire me? Yea, well, you’ll never find anyone else that knows this spaghetti as well as I do.
I was brought in to a place where the guy had pulled out all the comments and replaced all the variable names with random strings. Saved himself on his personal USB stick the real code.
As somebody who spent over a decade working in documentaries, you’d be amazed how many people lecture me online about the “duty“ of a documentary to be “unbiased” despite the fact that I’m sure most of those folks haven’t watched one in years. It’s a very American assertion and it’s complete nonsense.
I’m always surprised by how many people think there is some moral issue with paying your interviewees as well. That’s been standard practice forever. They deserve to be compensated for their time and frankly it’s the only way to guarantee they’ll actually keep the dates you set.
Well now I just want a recommendation on some documentaries to watch. Got any favorites you’d share?
God where to begin lol
Honestly? Can’t go wrong with most of the Oscar contenders from 2010 to 2015 or so. 80% of those films are very good. I would say browse those and grab the first one that looks interesting to you. Some notable ones are The Act of Killing (very intense/trigger warnings but an unbelievable film), Blackfish for its cultural reach at the time (also very sad/trigger warning for animal cruelty), and Five Broken Cameras (very relevant with what is happening in Gaza).
Personal favorites? Man on Wire, Won’t you be my Neighbor?, a great short by Errol morris that is super relevant in our highly conspiratorial climate is The Umbrella Man. The Thin Blue Line (also morris) is kind of wild and genre-defining if a little dated - it’s a piece of documentary history though. Won’t spoil the ending but it’s a once in a lifetime film someone gets to make if ever. Also relevant with current police discussions. Harlan County USA is a great film about a Kentucky coal miners strikes focused on their wives. Another piece of cinema history for sure.
I could go on and on, but the nice thing is there are so many amazing ones! If you’re looking for something a little more bite-size, I would check out anything made by Louis Theroux. His ability to get people to open up despite how challenging he is in his questions is remarkable. I don’t know how he does it. HBO has a great collection of his work.
Sweet, thanks for the recs and response, gonna go add a bunch to my watch list!
Enjoy!
This makes me think about people (scientists and non scientists alike) who argue that science is unbiased.
PSA: anytime the music kicks in, you’re being emotionally manipulated.
Yes but manipulation - while accurate - has a very sinister connotation. So I’d like to push back ever so slightly there lol
Would it be more fair to say: when the music kicks in, the story is being told?
Sure. I’m also definitely trying to elicit a certain response so manipulate isn’t wrong lol but it just sounds so evil and nefarious.
That’s fair, and I might have gone more neutral than intended. I was just curious if that fit what was in your head more.
I mean I’m obviously going to be overly charitable to my work so I’m trying to not be insufferable here lol your language is fair
Because manipulation is a very sinister thing. You’re deliberately using music to influence and control how another person feels to get a response that benefits you.
Do you think using music in documentaries is morally wrong? Genuinely asking. It seems we are coming at this from very different angles and I just want to establish a baseline here.
The most interesting documentary I’ve ever seen was about Sherman’s March. I stumbled upon it on some random satellite channel in the 90’s. Not only was it unbiased, I’m not even sure it had an objective. It was like 3 hours long, and the guy just followed the path Sherman took through the South and interviewed random people he met along the way. Half the time they weren’t even talking about Sherman. Idk what made it so interesting. I don’t even know why I’m telling you this since it doesn’t really reinforce or dispute any of your points. Your response just made me think of it for the first time in ten years and I wanted to share.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Edit: I found it!
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0091943/
Here’s an example of some of the dialogue:
Ross McElwee: I filmed, um, Dee Dee washing her dog, and I filmed, um, Steve going to the music company where he used to work.
Ross’s father: There, now. How is that going to be useful?
Ross McElwee: In this film?
Ross’s father: Just in any film.
It’s actually a very famous work! He went through a divorce and basically didn’t make the movie he said he would when it got funded lol
Haha, that’s kind of awesome. What he did make, ended up being really entertaining.
That whole production is kind of amazing when you get down to it. Basically the opening minute or so with that animation was the only thing he promised to make that he actually did lol
That’s really interesting! In the UK we have an excellent tradition of making both really excellent and really abhorrent documentaries, so clearly they’re not all made equal.
Appreciate hearing an expert opinion on what this means in reality.
The quality has very little to do with it honestly! It’s that if somebody’s making a documentary about something, they clearly care about the subject. In addition, you have to to decide who gets interviewed and who doesn’t. Who gets to tell the story and who doesn’t. Then you have to edit: what stays? What gets cut? How can that ever be objective? You have to choose where the camera is pointed, what lens, what camera. It’s nothing but decisions all the time, all of which reflect your own personal biases and values. And there’s nothing wrong with that! It’s about knowing the limitations of our own perspectives.
I definitely agree. The UK has a wonderful tradition of documentary filmmaking.
It really depends on the subject.
If it’s programming/hardware in general then there’s not much debate.
But when it comes to discussing “buzz words” or other hot topic items (cryptocurrency or AI/ML Models) then there will be a lot more debates.
It varies, I think the most important part for any kind of online discussion is to establish credibility based on the argument not credibility based on title or degree.
It’s also important to recognize a challenge on its own merits. I don’t care if you flip burgers at Wendy’s, if you can argue a point on the merits I’ll hear you out (and try to politely explain why you’re wrong – in understandable language – if needed).
I hate the “trust me bro I’m a X, it’s an elite field, it would take years to explain this to you and you wouldn’t even understand anyways” attitude some professionals take. The real experts that I’ve met and I respect can simplify the subject matter they’re an expert of (to be digestible and reasonable to most people) and I aspire to be that insightful.
There are serious limits to this. We can’t discount title/degree because you can’t possibly be able to accurately assess the credibility of every argument.
If a doctor shows me a picture and says “you have cancer, here’s the tumor,” I’m going to probably take that at face value. Because I can’t assess the imaging like they/their technician can, which I am basing off their credentials.
Any doctor worth their salt is going to be able to answer the question “how do you know that?” way better than “I just do” or “I have a medical degree” and that’s the point; I’ve yet to find a problem space where that isn’t the case. I don’t try to win arguments by waiving my credentials around and I don’t expect people to take my for “my word” just because of my credentials.
There are plenty of people with titles and fancy degrees that are not worth listening to, like the Ohio doctor (that somehow recently got her medical license back) that claimed the COVID vaccine was making people magnetic, Dr. Oz, etc.
Put another way, do you trust the alleged internet licensed electrician that says a ground wire makes you safer but can’t explain why, the alleged internet licensed electrician that says a ground wire is worthless, or the person that says “fuck who I am, ground wires are important because they allow tying things like a metal mixer’s body to an incomplete circuit, so that if the metal becomes electrified the circuit is instantly completed and the breaker trips. Alternatively, the circuit becomes completed when you touch the metal and you might die before the breaker trips. If you don’t have a ground you can protect humans with a GFCI which detects current loss at the outlet and cuts the power locally. However, a GFCI may not detect some situations that a ground wire would resolve, like an arc that makes use of a grounded portion of the appliance and may generate enough heat to start a fire. AFCIs have been created to help detect this situation. However, both GFCI and AFCI can fail and thus a ground wire is still a useful backup option that also has value for some sensitive electronics.”?
Most professionals aren’t going to volunteer all of that, but many will volunteer more and more if challenged/questioned.
For reference, my background is in Software Engineering but my father is an electrician at a factory, and a good friend of mine is a forensic electrical engineer. I have no formal credentials in electrical engineering … but I do know a fair bit about the what and why … because I have been inquisitive, I’ve questioned the experts that I’ve come across to understand their field and learned from them.
I didn’t say they go “just trust me” and we both know plenty of people can’t assess even a good explanation.
That’s totally fair, I agree.
The version that upsets me most is when I offer a perspective from my expertise, well founded and reasonable, and rather than ask questions to understand or offer a competing idea, people so often just say that I must be an idiot and know nothing about the topic.
I can hardly reply with “no, you’re the stupid one!” coz that just really doesn’t help.
I worked in politics and have a degree in international affairs so not at all for that. But I got good enough at coding and Linux that it became my career and people tend to trust me on that stuff.
There’s certain fields where everyone thinks they’d be good at it and they’re wrong. Voice acting is probably one. Seems easy but it’s really fucking not. And most people who think they understand politics don’t know basics about how legislative committees work, much less negotiated rulemaking.
If anyone is curious, it’s an American thing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negotiated_rulemaking
Most bills are vague and give regulatory agencies leeway on how to interpret them. It’s like Congress passes a law that says, “No cookies after 8pm.” and a regulatory agency has to decide what is a cookie and which time zone and how to enforce it. A lot of actual policy happens during the rule making progress (called “reg neg”).
Hey! There was just an example of that on Lemmy. Some judge ruled that tacos are sandwiches.
Edit: here it is
https://www.wishtv.com/news/indiana-news/indiana-judge-rules-tacos-burritos-are-sandwiches/
LOL, I work in climate science.
Specifically in consequential carbon accounting analysis. Which is the branch that specializes in quantifying how much impact decisions and policies will have on greenhouse gas levels.
We are fucked. We are so incredibly fucked.
I comment regularly on social media about what actually needs to happen if we’re to limit the damage from WW3 to just seriously fucked. You can imagine how that goes.
People advocate for things on Reddit or Lemmy about what we should be doing to avoid the disaster. Most of the time these things will have little benefit, and often will make things worse. I try to educate people but everybody has their pet issues usually based on whatever article they read last and they don’t actually want to seek the truth, just defend their opinion.
It’s tough because they are all very nuanced issues, every decision has trade offs, makes things better in one way worse than another. People aren’t wrong about the small part they’re looking at, just its impact on the bigger picture.
Everyone is pulling in different directions on this issue because the waters have been so incredibly muddied by the people who stand to lose from real climate action.
We are fucked. We are so incredibly fucked.
Very interested in hearing your best-case and worst-case outcomes for humanity over the next 30 or so years. Worst-case being, of course, the “business as usual” path that we have not deviated from at all.
I don’t know, but it’s bad.
At this point even our best case scenarios are still pretty bad; barring some massive breakthrough in carbon sequestration tech.
And the “business as usual” scenarios are down right scary, millions of deaths annually. Never mind the economic consequences.
In my other comment I talked about what needs to happen on the macro level.
But the micro level is another story.
I’m worried because the paths to mitigating the worst of it depend mostly on countries, people, corporations etc… making major changes to drive reductions.
I seen the strategies the big companies have… they’re not coming close to making the difference needed. And the small companies aren’t even trying to measure their emissions let alone reducing them. It’s that lack of data that’s a part the problem. The data needed for decisions at the micro level isn’t available. It’s difficult to even identify what changes to make because you don’t know what impact a change might have outside of your control.
So far it means we haven’t even got emissions to start going down. At best, they’ve just slowed the rate at which they’re going up.
Governments should be pushing harder to mandate emissions reporting, but it’s politically unpopular so we’re still largely guessing about what decisions to make and that’s what leads to us all pulling in different directions making little progress.
It’s tough because they are all very nuanced issues, every decision has trade offs, makes things better in one way worse than another.
This is one of the major truths of adulthood that keeps on coming up over and over again. The other is how do you know that some really knows what they say they know without investing time, money, and mental power into meeting them and knowing the basics of the subject all while being humble enough to know you don’t know shit about it.
I’d love to hear your top points of what actually needs to happen.
I’d love to hear your top points of what actually needs to happen.
And I’d love to say they’re stupid and wrong!
/s
(Sorry for the length here… this is actually my shortened version)
89% of climate change is because we took carbon that was permanently sequestered underground in the form of oil, gas, and coal and burned it for cheap energy. We need to stop that entirely but you can’t “just stop oil”, you need to remove the demand not try to disrupt the supply.
There are 4 broad strokes to making that happen:
- We need a metric fuck ton more carbon-free electricity generation asap. Not just enough to replace all existing fossil fuel-based electricity generation, but enough to supply double to triple the current generation capacity. Only about a quarter of the energy we get from fossil fuels is used to generate electricity, so as we switch things over to electricity, demand will increase exponentially.
Renewables are great and we need to build as much as we possibly can, but what people don’t get is the sheer quantity needed. No matter how much money is thrown at new renewables projects we simply can’t build enough of them fast enough due to bottlenecks in supply chains, raw material mining, grid interconnection times, and other limits.
New nuclear is the only other major option to speed up the transition away from fossil fuels. People resist it because of safety or waste concerns (neither are backed by data, nuclear is tied with solar for the safest tech, and it generates less radioactive waste than coal). Or they think nuclear has a big carbon footprint when you include the manufacturing and disposal (also not what the data says, nuclear is tied with wind for the lowest full lifecycle carbon emissions and is about half as much as solar). Or they argue renewables are cheaper which is at least mostly true, but it isn’t as clear cut either when you factor in the costs of connecting that many renewable power projects to the grid. Connecting one nuclear power plant to the grid is significantly cheaper than connecting the 100+ wind and solar farms needed for the same quantity of electricity. Not to mention the cost of storage.
We want to be building renewables, but we can’t wait around for renewables to save us that’s just not going to happen fast enough, our best option is building as many renewables as possible and a bunch of new nuclear and anything else carbon free at the same time.
- We need to electrify everything that runs on fossil fuels. Cars, furnaces, industrial uses, everything needs to switch from burning oil, gas, and coal, to being electrically powered.
But deciding what to electrify, when and in what order is complicated too…. adding to electricity demand before we’ve removed fossil fuel power generation from the grid, results in the scale-up of the fossil fuel generation to meet the increased demand. Until fossil fuels are gone from the electric grid, we should only electrify something if its efficiency is sufficient to still reduce emissions when we assume it’s powered by the most polluting form of electricity generation on the grid.
Battery electric vehicles have reached that point including factoring in the high-carbon footprint of lithium-ion manufacturing. Even if charged exclusively with coal power a BEV has lower lifetime emissions than an ICE car. Even discarding ICE cars before their end of life to replace with a BEV will generally be a net win.
Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles on the other hand (pretty much anything hydrogen-powered for that matter) aren’t even close. Using Hydrogen to power vehicles is not a tech we should be investing in right now.
Even if you’ve built a dedicated solar or wind farm to power something you want to electrify that hasn’t reached that efficiency threshold, you need to ask if it’s better to use that solar farm to displace current coal or natural gas-based electricity generation than to power your newly electrified whatever. This is why even so-called “green hydrogen” is a counter-productive tech to be investing in right now.
It’s also why some DAC and CCS techs shouldn’t be built yet. Even if you plan to build a dedicated solar or wind farm to power it. It’s often more impactful to just connect that solar/wind farm to the grid instead to reduce fossil fuel-based generation than to use it to power CCS. DAC and CCS is a rapidly developing space, we’re all hoping for some new breakthrough techs here that changes this story… so don’t criticize research in this area as a dead end… we don’t know that.
Hopefully, you’re starting to understand why so many of these discussions are more nuanced than people on Reddit/Lemmy claim…. a lot of new electrification technologies are just on the borderline here for not causing more emissions, and it often depends on where you live and what will be scaled up to meet the added electric demand.
All of this points back to why we need massive quantities of carbon-free electricity. Without clean electricity, these other techs aren’t a net win. Many things will cause a net increase in emissions if they’re electrified before carbon-free electricity is abundant. We need more new carbon-free electricity generation built in the next two decades than all the fossil fuel generation we’ve built in the last century put together. Even with ridiculously optimistic exponential growth projections of renewables, it is just not going to be enough. Until we’ve sequestered so much carbon that we’re back to pre-industrial levels, there will always be new techs that are “unlocked” by any additional carbon-free electricity generation.
- We need society to transition to lower consumption of everything in general. Every product or service you buy has a carbon footprint of some kind. There’s a LOT to be done around making smarter choices about what you buy, yes an EV is better than an ICE car, but public transit, electric scooters, bicycles, and ton of other things are better than any car, and not buying things at all if you if you don’t need them is better still.
Capitilizim’s tendency to push towards ever more consumption is the largest driver of the problem here. We can’t have circular economies if the only metric we’re looking at is the bottom line. Our modern mentalities of disposable products, planned obsolescence, fast fashion, and other things we’ve come to associate with a “high quality of life” in wealthy nations need to be re-evaluated.
- We need better data to make better decisions. Corporations aren’t required to measure and report their emissions. We’re still largely making educated guesses at the carbon footprint of things because the only data available for most things are broad estimates and industry averages. Our supply chains are so interconnected, that trying to calculate how much of an impact a particular product has requires data from potentially thousands of companies that they’re not even collecting, let alone publishing.
The EU is starting to mandate carbon reporting, but the US and Canada are lagging in this area. The US SEC proposed last year making reporting mandatory for publicly traded companies but caved to a bunch of pushback from corporations. They did pass a mandatory reporting rule a couple of months ago, but with significant retractions on what needs to be reported and how soon. They dropped a provision that would have required companies to report on emissions they’re causing to occur in their supply chains (known as “Scope 3” emissions), which would have put significant pressure on smaller and non-publicly traded companies to also report on emissions.
Until the vast majority of corporations are tracking emissions, even the corporations that are trying to reduce emissions are limited in effectiveness because they are basing decisions only on how it impacts them directly and not what impact it might have elsewhere.
Anyhow… that’s the “big things”….
There are a lot of interesting little things that could be happening but aren’t, usually because they clash with a particular political ideology. For example, the government could pay contractors to go from house to house and upgrade the insulation, and it would have one of the best emission reductions for the dollar than almost anything we’ve quantified. But politically there’s a “It’s not fair to take money from my pocket to pay for someone else’s insulation” mentality that some people have that prevent many low-hanging fruit things…
And on the flip side, some of the things that we’re doing that generally aren’t working include:
Most carbon offsets on the market are bullshit, including a lot of nature-based offsets. The mentality of “don’t reduce just offset” emissions doesn’t work. I’m not saying there isn’t a place for offsets, there is, but the carbon offset market in general is full of bad actors. It’s trivially easy to misrepresent creative accounting as a carbon offset, even if it’s not intentional. And since there’s no tangible product delivered, some companies will sell the same carbon offset to multiple buyers. If you don’t believe me, I have
a bridgecarbon offsets to sell you.Another thing that isn’t working is most (if not all) RECs, GOs and similar market-based instruments for purchasing “green electricity” from the grid. You’re not changing the net emissions, you are literally just paying for the privilege of claiming your electricity consumption isn’t generating emissions. You’re not making more renewable get built, renewables are already cost-effective, they don’t need someone voluntarily paying extra for them for them to happen. If you pay extra for them, you’re just increasing someone’s profits.
Note that RECs and GOs are not the same things as private PPAs, like when Amazon or Microsoft pay to build new nuclear to power their data centres. Again lots of nuances here, but PPAs are causing additional carbon-free electricity to be built. RECs and GOs where you’re selling renewables that have already been built aren’t changing anything, just upping profit margins.
Thank you for writing that up! Much appreciated.
Well, that’s just your rigorous analysis of multiple data sources and field expertise, man.
Thanks, this made me laugh, hard.😊
Buddy, I don’t even believe me.
As a therapist I can probably help with that 😏
Yes. Because if they don’t believe me the internet breaks.
Source: I am a network engineer
internet breaks anyway, debugging why its not working is nothing but painful
It’s DNS. Always DNS.
There was a time when I wanted to do that.
Given that I know enough to run my home network feel free to ask me anything about your job. 🤔😈
I was once accused on Reddit of being a bot after spending half an hour crafting a reply to a question with detail and examples. It’s a great way to discourage people from trying to be helpful 🫠
Fuck reddit leave that shithole site
Yeah, already jumped ship when they started the api and mod nonsense. This was a bit before all that.
Do you think those people represent the community view, or at least a significant portion of it? Or is it more like one unpleasant person who loves to argue the toss?
I’m replying with a sample size of N=1 so don’t take too much from it, but I suspect it’s not the typical response (at least, not yet anyway).
People do often seem to complain about bot accounts but I don’t know how much of those are in the space of stirring up hot topics to generate content, vs informational (or dis-informational) bot accounts posting on requests for help or explanations.
I guess if people are seeking answers for something, having a bot feed responses to suit some kind of agenda is entirely a possibility, so I wouldn’t write it off as something that could happen. To that end, being wary of posts that look like they might be generated due to the tone/content is probably fair enough.
My guess is interactions like that are probably going to get more frequent as LLM use and possible backlash against them increases, since people who aren’t particularly good at spotting LLM text just think long = bot.
“This is AI-generated content” seems to be the new slur seeking to shame people into silence. Better than “Incel”, I suppose, but certainly more insidious and less dismissively hyperbolic.
That story sounds fake, probably written by a bot.
(/s)
Maybe the only bots are the replies claiming that other people are bots? 🤔
As a large language learning model, I resent the implication. 😂
Sometimes people do but it mostly happens when it is a topic that they’ve tethered to their identity.
As someone actually trained to perform genetic therapy, it was incredible how many people wanted to correct me about my safety concerns regarding the covid shot.
I’m impressed by your bravery in telling people that one, given the variety and origins of the “facts” on that topic! 😲
I’ve just learned not to give a shit if people want to whip themselves into a frenzy so they can feel the rush of being on the “winning” team by parroting whatever their go-to social conditioning coordinator told them in today’s podcast.
Well surely now by May 2024 your concerns have proven not to be that big of a deal? It’s been years with billions of shots administered. Concern initially is fine IMO but by now you know the shots are fine, right?
There is absolutely still strong reason for concern. Even without looking into any of the documentation regarding negative effects that we’ve got now, it’s simply not possible to claim that we know everything we need to know about it already. Not by a long shot. Simply the ordinary testing regimes that these sorts of products are supposed to undergo are extremely long themselves.
I think your concern for what genetic impact it will have on us is misplaced as evidenced by plenty of research and the billions of shots over 5 years but I’m also not going to go to the mat over this.
That’s a very wise choice not to go to the mat on this, because it’s simply the truth that this novel genetic treatment has never passed the ordinary testing regimes for such products, which very few products ever pass because we simply do not know the lion’s share of what there is to know about how genetics impact our body’s function.
If you want to ignore the potential risks that’s fine. At the very least, whether you’re safe or not, we’ll get some valuable scientific data from you.
Wow this got pretty patronizing pretty quick. Later dude. I would ask if you’re vaccinated but I guess I know the answer.
What exactly did you expect, picking an argument with someone in this thread of all places?
Expected a little less smug tbh because everyone else has been very thoughtful and engaging. Either way this is past the point of productivity. I truly hope you have a nice weekend.
Only people I deal with daily at work, everyone else no. I am constantly getting second-guessed, made to make changes, and not listened to by the middlemen between me and the actual users.
Then of course it becomes a disaster that I have to fix.
Sounds like your doing development work in a “agile/scrum” team, correct?
I just get ignored at work. Then something gets called out by a customer and it’s a fucking issue.