My grandma call me saying she’s sick of Widows and its shenanigans and asked me to install gentoo on her machine next time I come around. Gonna be a fun weekend.
Grandma choosing USE flags already, get that bloat outta here
I just rolled back my Win 11 to Win 10 only to use temporarily while I test some other distros to see which one(s) I like.
Shout out to Ventoy, my new favorite usb utility.
better than flashing usb flash drives to install operating systems.
Truly a “where have you been all my life” moment. It even works with recovery ISOs!
I’ll never flash another usb again if I can help it.
I have a 128gb usb c flash drive that I just dropped a ton of distros onto and went to town. So far, EndeaverOS has been my favorite.
Stockholm Syndrome is the only explanation I can come up with at this point.
Stockholm Syndrome
Completely off topic: Stockholm syndrome gets its name from a hostage situation where the police seemed to show no care or concern for the hostages’ safety and the captors did more to protect them than law enforcement. Of course the hostages’ felt more empathy towards their captors.
According to accounts by Kristin Enmark, one of the hostages, the police were acting incompetently, with little care for the hostages’ safety. This forced the hostages to negotiate for their lives and releases with the robbers on their own. In the process, the hostages saw the robbers behaving more rationally than the police negotiators and subsequently developed a deep distrust towards the latter.[9] Enmark had criticized Bejerot specifically for endangering their lives by behaving aggressively and agitating the captors. She had criticized the police for pointing guns at the convicts while the hostages were in the line of fire, and she had told news outlets that one of the captors tried to protect the hostages from being caught in the crossfire.
That’s a really interesting bit of nuance that I’d never taken note of! Thanks!
Honestly I think many consumers go buy “computer” & have no concept that it has an operating system or that you can change it.
If you know there is an alternative, then yeah… wtf
I remember the day when you had to buy Windows separate, and pay full retail. Later, you got a massive discount if you bought the disks with your computer. Then, it came preinstalled. Then, it started to get crappy and more buggy.
I find it funny, actually. For years, I used DOS, exclusively command line-based, on a 286 and when I got a new 486 computer in the early 90s I was so excited to get Windows 3.1 on it. Decades later, I find myself hating Windows and going back to Linux and often a command line. As far as I’m concerned, the closest thing to the last usable version of Windows was 7, and it still kinda sucked.
I’m still salty my current laptop is sold at a discount in the EU without a pre-installed OS due to laws in place–but where I am, I had no choice but to pay a Microsoft tax & immediately wipe it. I used to not connect to WiFi & just look around for a few minutes out of curiosity before wiping, but since 11 moved to Microsoft Account + WiFi required & all the telemetry on by default, I don’t even bother with that anymore.
100% true, I should have acknowledged that!
Idk what I can say about this except “lol”
My reaction too. Next thing they’ll have a hand reach out from the monitor and slap you in the face every time you log on. And people will still put up with it.
A lot of people don’t have a choice
Actually, those that don’t have a choice aren’t affected by the enshittification quite as much. This mainly affects the consumers using Windows Home. And those definitely could try something else.
Technically speaking noone is restricting you from changing your job/school
Yeah technically in the most literal sense of the word. In practice we both know that’s not the case.
Who is this Noone guy, and why is he restricting everyone’s job and school choices?
Pathetic.
Reclaim your PC. Make it yours once more. Join the penguins.
Or the pirates
Or stay on Windows 10, if the pattern holds true Windows 12 might be decent again.
Don’t hold your breath, 10 already broke the pattern IMO and all I hear about 12 is that they will cram “AI” into everything. Windows the operating system is dead, replaced by Windows the sales platform.
I finally did this last week, nuked out my Win 11 laptop install and switched to Ubuntu. I have yet to find anything I would need to go back to Windows for.
I was not so brave. I installed in dual boot, but I just never booted back into windows.
I dualboot to accommodate a handful of apps. Linux loads up fast and awaits my command once logged in. Meanwhile my pretty much fresh windows build sets my cooling fans on full before I’ve even touch the mouse.
I admit it was a bit of a learning curve getting things set up as I like, but man Linux is such a better experience.
There’s something refreshing and simple about the computer doing what you tell it to do and nothing extra.
When you don’t want or need your hand held, there is a simple beauty.
You might like a VM for Windows instead, so there’s no risk of a windows update taking a hammer to your bootloader
This is one of the reasons I like Qubes a lot.
I hadn’t heard of this before, and the concept is really intriguing. Thanks for this. I’ll check it out.
I didn’t spend tons of time experimenting, but found the VM wasn’t performing as smoothly as a second install.
Should I be worried about the boot loader thing? My OS picking experience is pretty wack. I have to slam esc while booting then f9 then pick my Linux boot up. It defaults to windows which I kind of like because it puts my actual OS on stealth mode lol.
If you’re booting without GRUB then you don’t need to be concerned about your bootloader breaking. Windows just sometimes overwrites GRUB, which is a pain
Do you have your fans controlled by the bios or a fan controller?
Not op but i personally use a fan controler as on my laptop asus weird overboost system is not very well handled by bios.
I was thinking about desktops, where the fan would be physically plugged into a fan controller instead of into the motherboard. Not sure what that would look like with a laptop.
I was mainly asking because some of those fan controllers default to full on when the usb connection is absent, and Windows doesn’t enable all usb connections until after the user logs into the system.
I use a mixture of Linux and Windows 10 LTSC on my PCs/servers/VMs. I will be the first to admit that Windows does sometimes make sense to use. My desktop PC and my dev environment are both Windows 10.
That being said, what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10? As far as I can tell, it’s worse in every way. Built-in ads, a crappier UI, forced obsolescence with TPM requirements, and “feature” bloat that nobody asked for.
10 was a clear improvement over 8, but 11 just seems all-around worse.
That being said, what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10?
Windows 11 re-introduced Clippy as an emoji:
Holy shit, really?
My change controls written in comic sans are going to a new level!
what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10?
Many years ago, I was at a Windows XP launch event and the Microsoft Rep had a really honest line:
“Why should you start using Windows XP? Because we’re going to stop supporting Windows 98!”And ya, that’s pretty much been the cattle prod Microsoft uses to push new versions, eventually you stop getting security updates for the older OS and at some point there are enough security vulnerabilities which make it no longer safe for daily use. That said, with Windows becoming more and more user hostile, other options start to make more sense.
I’d like to hope that by the time Win10 is no longer supported, we have Win12 that doesn’t suck. The way things are going, though, I doubt it. I’m expecting that Win10 will be the last version of Windows I use.
I still prefer Windows over Linux for gaming and software development, but everyone has their limit. I am strongly opposed to advertisements, and when I can no longer block ads from my operating system, it’s dead to me.
Windows 12 will probably be subscription based and cloud only
I never upgraded software-wise. Moreso my tech got so outdated that new hardware I’d get (I only use Windows for gaming) would have the latest Windows installed - exactly what Microsoft wants.
I think Proton/Linux in the past year is going to really disrupt that strategy.
They about to find out the only reason people don’t use Linux is because Windows is ‘convenient.’
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I think today might be the day. I’m tired of every piece of tech’s infuriatingly enshittification of things. I wanted to google something normal only for the AI to spout nonhelpful, sponsored links. I’m sick of it ALL!!! I wanna burn silicon valley down and start fresh at this point
searxng is awesome. Meta search of as many or as few engines as you want with no bullshit.
Do it, fucking go crazy, let all your weird fucked up dark fantasies out, as both a very chaotic person but also a very thoughtful and caring person, fucking now is the time to do it.
Linux has gotten really good, drivers are good. You can do it and your headaches will be so much less in the end.
Come over to the bright side.
Let your dark fantasies about doing lots of dirty things through the command line or whatever come true. Install a bunch of open source software and don’t even tell your husband.
It is 2024 do whatever the fuck you want, corporations have completely folded their hands and completely quit even playing the game of providing you (not rich person) with functional visions of products or even functional products. Why? I don’t even know honestly, I mean I am definitely a nerd about open source software and a raging socialist but it is truly astonishing how quick enshittification is in this late stage of 2024, it is the continual experience of standing im front of a massive glacier and watching square kilometer chunks calving and collapsing for no apparent logical reason.
I love ChromeOS, and Windows becoming so awful is one of the main reasons I refuse to go back.
This time the software giant is trying out having PC Manager suggest that you ‘repair’ your system by reverting to Microsoft’s default search engine, Bing.
These are sound like things that are just begging European union to milk out some cash from Microsoft through fines.
They probably already set it up to not happen in Europe
Or set aside the cash as a neccessary expenditure to greater income.
Hey, my weekly reminder to tell you that I, a Windows 11 user on five computers without any special tweaks, have never seen a single one of those ads people keep talking about on Lemmy.
The subtitle of the article says it’s not available in the US -
PC Manager app is only available in some regions, but could come to the US eventually
Same? I’m really confused which ads they’re taking about
I just installed Win11 on a work computer last week, and there were at least 3 screens of the installer trying to push o365 or one drive.
Then you have the start menu where if you look for a software, 90% of the menu is an ad trying to push you a software. At the bottom, you have your search results.
And then there is the pop ups on the bottom right of the screen trying to sell you Candy Crush or another bullshit software.
That’s awful and I’m glad it wasn’t my computer
not sure where all those ads are here unless you mean the search queries on the web??
I don’t have the pc with me anymore, but I will try to find a screenshot that was circulating around with a ton of ads, which was my experience as well.
Are you on an enterprise subscription / office 365 work or school account or something like that?
No one needs search queries from the web in their start menu. If I want to search the web I’ll use a web browser.
it’s not the start menu it’s specifically when you press the search button and start typing.
When I press the winkey and search (which is the most efficient way to search the start menu) I get web search shit in the results. This is not desirable.
You must be in the B group or something, do you use a Microsoft account to login with or a local user?
Some with and some without Microsoft account
I see the same behavior, both as a local user and as a user connected to a cloud account.
I love how the lemmy FoSS Linux hivemind still down votes you to almost oblivion.
They still haven’t figured out this isn’t reddit. Shouldn’t downvote just because you don’t agree with something my dudes…
this isn’t reddit.
Correct, hence downvoting here is meaningless.
I don’t even see downvotes or the downvote button on mine. Which is fine. If I disagree with someone I’ll do it via a comment. Downvoting is just lazy.
If only there was a convenient way to indicate they don’t agree with someone’s comment/point…maybe the technology doesn’t exist
It’s just a “I disagree” button for most ppl. Also windows do be that bad, you’ve used it so long you don’t notice or know any better.
Replying from Ubuntu (distro of the month for me) though, so I know other. I wouldn’t say better, just different
Windows is perfectly fine for day to day use. 80% of my PC use (and probably 99% for like most people I know) is in a browser. The remaining 20% is in video games. My browser works 100% the same in Linux as it does in Windows. Video games overall are easier to use in Windows. (I use Steam (90% fine with Linux) and Gamepass, which does not play well with Linux).
But feel free to continue to complain about windows :)
Windows at this point is barely an OS anymore, it’s freemium, it exists solely to push ads and their other products. You say it yourself, most people just use the browser, but hey today windows wants you to use edge, onedrive, outlook, the office suite… and they’re taking every step to make sure you do. Their unique goal is to lock you into their ecosystem and make more money off you.
There not doing a very good job of locking people in tbh. Basically all software runs fine on windows.
Its an absolute non issue to run non MS apps on windows.
Just turn off “show scores” in your profile and you’ll be happier. It’s a meaningless number anyway.
They still haven’t figured out this isn’t reddit. Shouldn’t downvote just because you don’t agree with something my dudes…
Well, that’s not a feature of reddit after all. People are the same, no matter where they are.
Same here. No idea how it works and where those ads are…
right? the clickbait is just absurd. and i say this as someone who lived through the whole slashdot “m$” phase where you couldn’t blink without seeing an anti microsoft piece on there
Lemmy demographic feels like mostly Linux users.
Lemmy posters are on vegan level of promoting Linux, and sith level of hate on Windows.
Join the dark side! We have penguins!
aye, but do you have a way of managing a physical (noy virtual machine) windows computer so it can be used through the linux system without being aware of it?
Like RDP? Or are we talking like, some sort of ssh GUI, where you just wanna access the files on the Windows machine? Most file explorers on Linux do that natively. Or are you talking about compatibility with .exe files? If so, there’s Wine and Proton, but those could need some configuration.
Unfortunately, if you’re managing one computer from another computer, you’re going to be aware of it regardless of which OS you decide to use.
I was more thinking of rdp like things like the pi kvm, hopefully there will eventually be lower latency options.
For me, as a vegan Linux user, who really doesn’t like the concept of the Jedi sect, this sounds like a compliment.
Microsoft always treated linux and foss with such disdain while under Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer. Their current CEO is an outlier, openly embracing and extending foss and linux. After years of abuses from Gates and Ballmer, many people in the linux community won’t be so quick to trust them.
So you’re saying you, a windows 11 user on five computers running Microsoft’s default preferred configuration don’t receive any nagware notifications for deviating from Microsoft’s preferred configuration? Fascinating
People have been talking about start menu ads for over a year, never seen one
I don’t use Edge, never seen a pop-up asking me to switch
Big corps love A/B testing, slow rollouts and geo-restricted features. You might be in a different group than people that get all these ads.
On five computers, for something I’ve been reading about for over a year?
Are you living in the same country as those that complain about ads in windows? From what I understand, this is not rolled out globally yet.
Literally got a pop up today for their dumbass PC manager.
I fully switched to Fedora for a week now and it felt like a fresh air
It’s Bingin’ time!
Damn I’m somewhat indifferent to windows as my main PC os, mostly because I’ve got all my weird music hardware and a couple of decades worth of plugins working nicely. But this shit is getting annoying, so…
I have extensive experience with Linux on servers and I keep umming and ahhing about switching to it as my main desktop OS—let’s see if anyone here is in the venn diagram that can answer this:
I’m a software engineer, all of that is cool, but I’m also pretty into music production
I would need to run Ableton with a Push 3 and Maschine with my M+. I’ve got simpler controllers like a beatstep pro, but I’m expecting those to be fine. And then would I be able to use my expert sleepers modular interfaces properly? Obviously I want this all with low latency.
After hardware I’ve got all sorts of vsts across tens of companies, some need my ilok key, I’ve got my Steinberg stuff too, but they’ve moved to online licensing finally.
Alternatives to the software are great (I know I can use bitwig natively, for example), but it’s a non starter unless I can run it all, I’ve got years of projects that I would want to be able to open and start messing with the music, rather than spending most of my time messing with the software and losing what inspiration made me open the software in the first place
From someone with experience in this area, how viable is this?
Steinberg plugins are not working at all for me. I have Absolute 4 and Cubase Artist 12.
The licensing app installs fine. However, the download center cannot be installed. If you download the installers directly from Steinberg, those don’t install.
I did have some luck with downloading Steinberg installers on a windows pc with download assistant, and then opening THOSE installers on Linux. They installed correctly this way and Yabridge (vst bridge for Linux) even identified them correctly. But the vsts would crash on start.
Yabridge is essential to using VSTs on Linux. Works great from my experience, IF the vst actually can start at all. But that is never a Yabridge problem, always a VST specific Wine problem.
Arturia stuff can be installed without any problems (through wine)
Spitfire’s recent update broke things.
From what I’ve seen, Ableton is pretty nicely supported by the Wine community. But any Ableton or Wine update can break things, so you’ll need to have Wine and Ableton updates freezed if you want a hasslefree life.
Hardware stuff I had no problems with for now, but I have mostly simple midi controllers. I have an external soundcard (UR22 mk2), so my latency is as low on Windows.
For now I cannot recommend anyone that has extensive VST libraries to fully commit to Linux. The support is simply not there yet. Wine is not reliable enough, and I would hate to be stopped by a Wine error when inspiration hits. You’ll be troubleshooting for days to hopefully get your favourite VSTs working, and pray they don’t break when they update.
I dual boot for now. Music and VR on Windows, all other tasks on Linux. I’m considering making stems for all my projects so I could switch to a different DAW with only Arturia plugins in the future. But I’m not ready yet.
I’m not a super expert, but I did try very hard to get my steinberg stuff and Spitfire Labs working. Feel free to ask any followup questions.
Firstly, thanks for the detailed response!
It’s promising to hear that Ableton has a lot of support from the community. I suppose given the versioning issues something like nix could be used to manage the wine versioning more deliberately.
I’ve got a focusrite interface, so if your latency is low, I imagine I’d probably get the same experience. I know I’ll probably lose the iPad remote control features too as I think that’s baked into the windows driver.
Given I do have a pretty extensive VST collection, it’s a shame, but you’re probably right. Do you know how heavily developed Yabridge is? Do you think the industry moving slowly to CLAP plugins might improve this situation?
Maybe dual-boot is a better option to start with, I guess that way if I feel like trying to get it working I can give it a go.
Do you have any plugins that use iLok? Either software or a hardware key
No problem!
-Yabridge is still actively being developped. The developer responds to issues on it’s Github frequently.
-Ableton 11.x currently has gold status on WineDB. other versions have varying ratings bronze to platinum.
-I don’t use iLok plugins a lot, but I just tried installing one. iLok gave an error for me. Some searching gave me a thread about a user that got a specific iLok version to work though, so you may need to experiment with this yourself: This thread
I don’t know much about CLAP since I always used VSTs (Cubase user after all :P ). I hope more developers will implement it as an alternative, but I don’t have high hopes. .Au could only become a standard because of Apple’s willingness to not support VSTs in Logic. I’m not sure if a third-party format can shift that much weight. All DAWS either support VST, AU or AAX and I don’t think developers want ANOTHER format to maintain.
