I swear, if it was up to Democrats and the Left, anyone and everyone could just live here whenever they want. Trump is talking about deporting ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Only in the United States is this so controversial. Go to any country on Earth, and try to live there without becoming a citizen, and see how long you last. Democrats seem to think the country will fall apart and blow itself up without illegals…
I swear if it was up to Democrats and the Left, anyone and everyone could just cross the road whenever they want. I am talking about killing JAYWALKERS. Only in the United States is this so controversial. Go to any country in Earth and try to cross the road without a marked crossing and see how long you last. Democrats seems to think the country will fall apart and blow itself up without Jaywalkers.
Not sure what your point is here…that illegal immigration should just be tolerated all over the world, because it’s not a big deal? In that case…why even have countries… emma right?
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Unless they don’t jump through all the right arbitrary legal hoops, in that case fuck 'em.
“Since our immigration policies aren’t convenient for everyone, just come on over!” Said NO COUNTRY EVER.
Legal immigration in the U.S. is heavily restricted with extremely low caps that aren’t even high enough to support our agriculture industry. I personally think this is on purpose so that industry can easily underpay and exploit undocumented workers. And yes, the economy would collapse without the all the undocumented workers; the “age” of our population is quite high. Here’s an article from a very conservative think tank (which I normally wouldn’t trust) that describes the situation: Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible.
Anyways, it’s futile trying to stop immigration. Desperate people will take desperate actions to improve the lives of themselves and their families. It will only get worse as the climate changes causes drought, famine, and otherwise unlivable conditions in parts of the world.
Everyone is in favor of legal immigration, that’s never been the issue for any Republican. It’s those who have entered here illegally, and/or are still here illegally, that has become an issue.
Better order Mayorkas dismantle or sell off every ICE camp and piece of equipment and fire every single agent before it’s used to commit further inhumane acts.
Let me just point out that losing 5% of the workforce like that will make inflation skyrocket, because we’ll have to increase wages on a lot of jobs done for shit pay by undocumented migrants. (Should those jobs pay well now? Of course. But they don’t.) You think houses are expensive now? Just wait until construction grinds to a standstill because there’s no laborers available. Groceries cost too much? Guess who is working in those fields?
Again: we should be paying those people fair wages now. But without significantly raising those wages, which will also raise the cost of the goods they currently produce, you aren’t going to get many citizens to do the jobs.
Well…yeah. But brown people will suffer.
So it’s all good.
- Republicans, but unironically
that will probably happen, but it’s actually just rich people pocketing the made up price increase while waiting for poor people to be desperate enough to work for the same low wage as the lost workers
I mean, yes, but also no.
For that to really work, you need a labor surplus, i.e., more workers than jobs. As long as there are more jobs than workers, workers are incentivized to hop jobs to get better pay, perks, and working conditions. It’s in the best interest of the capital-owning class to keep a certain level of the population unemployed so that there are always more workers than jobs; that allows them to pocket more of the value that the workers are adding, because the workers have less leverage to negotiate better wages.
But when you suddenly lost 5% of your workforce, and they’re jobs that are physically demanding (and in the case of construction, are a genuinely skilled trade), then capital-owning class doesn’t have the leverage over workers. That’s especially true when the capitalist can’t easily move operations to an area with cheap labor; if you’re a contractor, you’re going to operate where there’s demand for construction, not where there’s cheap labor. An e.g. contractor can’t just not build; they lose money by sitting on land, or on equipment that isn’t being capitalized.
they just make the workers work more hours and more jobs.
… oh and make their children work. almost forgot they yearn for the mines 😅
can’t we just pick a state and kick that one out instead
But how could we possibly decide between Florida and Texas?
Evict the villages to Texas, then boot Texas.
I like what you’re getting at.
Florida’s going to be under water in a generation or two anyway
But what if it spreads?
Just when you think he can’t be stupider he opens his mouth again.
this is bound to happen if someone’s a dick and never sees any consequences
He’ll do it, ICE will happily carry it out & SCotUS will back them. If you think they won’t, you’re either dangerously stupid or lying to yourself.
If you’re not a billionaire or a White, Christian Male, you’re a fucking moron if you vote for anyone aside from Joe Biden in the upcoming election.
Yes, you too.
No they won’t do it. The logistics of sending everyone out of the country is too hard.
Instead, they’ll build concentration camps and ovens and call it a day.
Not sure how sarcastic you are, but I could see work camps being built. I think we’d see some deportations and some people sent to work camps, but not a complete crack down. Just enough to make it a threat.
It’s not just the logistics of moving that many people that is a problem. It would be extremely damaging to the economy. Undocumented labor makes the food we have as cheap as it is (along with government subsidies). If that labor pool evaporated we’d see more widespread issues with food rotting before being picked and food not getting processed.
The work camps would take the form of farms and food processing plants, possibly expanding to other manufacturing later. Free slave labor is how we’d compete against the slave labor in other countries. It’s important to note that managing that takes up a lot of resources, so I’d expect the majority to not be rounded up and sent to these camps. I’d expect the threat of being sent to a camp to be used to extract lower pay and more hours out of the existing undocumented population that works in those industries.
Having these populations still intact would be useful to instigate more crackdowns as political events to provide a boost.
The main problem with these camps (and existing populations) is that people have kids even under the worst circumstances. That is why we’re seeing the talking point to remove/overturn birthright citizenship. Eventually the camp population would be almost entirely us citizens which makes things less tenable. So they’d need to remain different so it’d be okay for them to stay in the camps they were born into.
Undocumented labor makes the food we have as cheap as it is (along with government subsidies). If that labor pool evaporated we’d see more widespread issues with food rotting before being picked and food not getting processed.
The GOP has literally already done this with those exact effects in Florida, Alabama & Georgia. The farmers I know collectively lost millions. Other farmers had to sell out to BigAg, which was just a bonus knock on effect for these ghouls.
As long as they have power they do not care.
Most especially the people that should know better, but would rather stamp their feet and have a temper tantrum because Biden is not perfect.
A wealthy white Christian cisgender male
Unattainable? No.
Not with a fascist government on board.
That’s how you keep unemployment numbers down.
This is how Russia makes sure the 2028-29 harvest in the USA fails.
They aren’t going to stop using food as a weapon and this is one of our weak points.
Let them eat corn.
What, you don’t want to live on corn and soybeans?
Umm, tofu
