I can see discussion if he committed crimes related to being in office, that time was past, and we wanted the country to move forward, but none of that is true. Trump is finally facing justice for crimes throughout hiss adult life and he’s trying to skip justice to gain the presidency. This is not the Nixon situation. Even worse, Romney reasons it “to be a bigger man”, wtf, this isn’t just play acting as part of the presidential campaign
And pardoning Nixon just set the stage for Republicans continuing to commit crimes while or in order to get into office.
If you want to see how bad stuff gets for someone constantly trying to stay in power to avoid jail time, all you have to do is look at Netanyahu
Just shows how much of a mistake pardoning Nixon was the first time. Now there’s a precedent for giving Presidents immunity to save face.
Fuck off and die
All I did was post an article, you big meanie
And there ya go groveling to your orange master, Romney. What a spineless bitch.
What? Anyway, that would never happen.
Yeah, who just pardons a criminal ex-presi- wait… never mind.
Maybe the ex-president shouldn’t have been such a criminal, Mitt.
Ford was, based on the behavior of the Reagan, W Bush, and Trump administrations, entirely wrong to pardon Nixon. There is no reason to repeat his mistake.
Just when you thought he wasn’t half bad.
Anybody who thought that was half stupid.
I actually had an idea that Biden could pardon Trump, then Trump couldn’t plead the 5th when called as a witness against anyone else. So he would have the choice of truthful answers or perjury.
Seeing how this current judge has been handling him with kid gloves I wouldn’t expect anything bad to happen to him even if he did perjure himself.
Notice how he is minding every p and a, crossing every t and dotting every i?
That’s so that, when he’s done, there will be nothing to appeal.
They will still try, but try and achieve are so different they don’t even share a letter.
Remember: no Republicans are arguing Trump didn’t break the law.
They’re arguing he shouldn’t be punished for it.
They’re arguing he shouldn’t be punished for it
They are really arguing that all Republicans shouldn’t be punished but if you aren’t in the club you get the full blast of the law.
law blast
It’s what justice craves.
Yea I think he has to be found guilty of the crime to be pardoned, right?
I think you have to admit guilt? Which is bullshit because the purpose of a pardon isnt to get guilty people off but to act as a check against judicial power. I’m not sure though.
I think you’re remembering some instance where a pardon can expose the recipient to civil liability. Or at least it was theorized it might…
Bannon, stone or one of them.
Nope.
A pardon stops all punishment from the judicial system. You don’t have to plead guilty and criminal proceedings stop. A pardon further undoes any legal handicap (for example, you can own firearms again).
That said, if you accept a pardon you can’t plead the fifth when it comes to details related to the crime you’ve committed.
There’s also a commutation, which is weaker than a pardon. Instead of having the crime fully forgiven you are simply let out of jail with the understanding you committed the crime and must face follow up consequences (like not being able to own firearms).
Finally, there are also conditional pardons. Those are ones where the president could impose a “you must plead guilty” style rule before the pardon can be applied. He could also apply a rule that says “you must perform 10 jumping jacks”.
Pardon powers are some of the most broad we have in the US.
About the only limitation is you can’t pardon for future crimes.
About the only limitation is you can’t pardon for future crimes.
Yeah, you really want Robert’s SCOTUS to rule on that?
Roberts’
Damnit, that’s what I typed but I guess it got autocorrected. Thanks!
No. Nixon was never charged, but he was pardoned.
Biden can’t pardon state crimes.
He was talking some sense on his way out, then this. Repubs are incapable of being normal.
Right… he was one of the almost okay ones kind of for a sec at the end… and that’s the best we get
With these scumbags, “almost” is meaningless. I never gave Romney the benefit of any doubt because he’s ultimately as awful as any of the feral maga hogs—he wants the same inhuman things they do, he just wants more decorum about it
This does not surprise me one iota
I appreciate all the comments here, but consider another perspective. If there were a federal crime committed (I’m not following the news very closely) and a president can pardon before a trial is performed, then a pardon from Biden would be a total power move. Given that trump would probably either weasel out of the conviction or it would be a slap on the wrist fine, this puts Biden in a position of power over trump. This would also crush trump’s ego if not publicly, it would eat at him in private.
Trump has 91 felony allegations across 4 different state and federal cases against him right now. Many of which are directly related to him trying to overthrow our democracy.
Burn him to the ground; I don’t care about his legacy as a president. He was a shitty one anyway and was never actually elected by popular vote.
I would be appalled if he was pardoned, and I’m already rather annoyed at the current state of the prosecution taking this long.
Well, not that we needed one, but I really appreciate you giving us a reminder for why we should never ever make you president, Mittens. It’s very thoughtful of you.
Don’t worry, at some point he’ll say one normal thing and people will remark on how he’s so reasonable compared to the others.
It is true, though. If he were to run for president, he’d be the best candidate the Republican party has put forward in 2 decades. And he’s still a gigantic piece of shit.
There’s a Netflix documentary called “Mitt” that follows him and his family throughout his 2012 run. I took two things away:
- It helped humanize Mitt a lot, such as loving a beat up, old pair of winter gloves
- I’m glad he was never President, and should never be President
The smallest coil of shit turned out onto the chests of voters in decades!
You certainly have a way with words, my friend.
Flame wars must be, while we defend our lives against a butthole who would devour all; but I do not love the quip for its sharpness, nor the meme for its oddly specific irony, nor the troll for his lulz; I love only that which they defend
Mitt Romney is an idiot
