“I expect a semi-dystopian future with substantial pain and suffering for the people of the Global South,” one expert said.
People will be fleeing famine, uninhabitable areas, rising sea levels and wars. The areas that can support life will grow smaller, more valuable and crowded.
What worries me is that combined with anti immigrants sentiment. I fear beaches of dead as people prevented from fleeing. I read a SciFi with that and it chilled me as I can see it happening.
Prevented from arriving is how anti immigration works, not leaving. Jesus. Think. If you can.
Will we be assholes if when this happens we be like. WE FUCKING TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN, but y’all more concerned with arguing over pronouns and protests (I support both).
I mean the ones that think that trans people shouldn’t have human rights also tend to be the ones who don’t believe in climate change so…
so ____ all conservatives for the sake of humanity. i’ve been saying this for decades.
Given that they’re anti-humanity, it seems like a logical step.
Lol ook.
hear hear! please stop fighting over the petty things and get to work on the things that matter. electing a president that will fight climate change is far more important than what happens in the middle east.
I get your frustration. I feel it myself. Still, I fear, calling people assholes won’t be helpful and prevent folks from admitting they did wrong. At the same time, it can always get worse (hotter) and I think it would be best to win as many people over as possible, to do the right thing.
I don’t know. We’re fucked anyway, I guess.
Yes yes, suddenly we shouldn’t mock because it’s unhelpful…not see through at all.
mocking is pointless. most conservatives don’t care if you mock them. neutralizing their threat to democracy is the answer.
stop worrying about being polite and start attacking the root of the problem - conservatives.
While the developed world rests on its laurels having already developed key technologies that insulate from the worst effects of climate change, the Global South is attempting to push through rapid industrialization to achieve the same effects, bringing with it public infrastructure, electricity, robust food supply, reliable transportation, healthcare…
Meanwhile, the developed world looks at the Global South and says “ah, but why aren’t you being greener about it? despicable! how dare you raise emissions?” while simultaneously restricting the free trade of essential green economy components like solar panels and batteries. The fact is, we don’t actually care about climate change. Our political entities and economies are not structured to reward innovation in that space, so we simply end up pulling teeth to push through minor advances. Germany used to be a world leader in solar panels before it stagnated due to political pressure. The US used to be a world leader in developing nuclear before it stagnated due to political pressure. Japan used to be the world leader in batteries before it stagnated due to, well, Japan.
While the developed world rests on its laurels having already developed key technologies that insulate from the worst effects of climate change
But this isn’t true. Can we fight temperature changes? Sure, we have air conditioning and heaters.
There’s lots of things we can’t isolate ourselves from. Natural disasters, for example. We see forest fires and floods on a yearly basis, and it’s getting worse. We’ll face droughts, and diminished crop yields. It’ll be particularly bad for all the areas near the equator (which are also incredibly populous and export a lot of food), and what will happen then?
Famine yes, probably, but likely also an exodus away from these areas, which I’m sure will go well as countries are known to welcome people seeking a better life with open arms. We’ll face humanitarian tragedies. I’d be surprised if there won’t be camps, and with that comes disease. Maybe we’ll even see another pandemic.
Aircon won’t shield us from that.
There are models that predict as much as 4 C
Shhh… don’t tell anyone. At 4 degrees Antarctica becomes the refuge of humanity. There’s a reason Trump wanted to buy Greenland from Denmark.🇩🇰
Extreme weather will make a lot of places rethink their infrastructure and whether they should even move somewhere else.
Bye Florida.
Don’t worry DeSantos is just going to outlaw hurricanes. Problem solved
Let’s stop climate change!
Let’s stop it at 1 degree!
Let’s stop it at 1.5 degrees
Okay, we might get to 2.5 degrees, but the economy!
This will go on until we get to around 5 degree and most parts of the world have become uninhabitable and most animals and vegetation has gone extinct and we’ve locked ourselves in perpetual wars due to water and food shortages. Sounds like a shitty B movie, but this is what I truely believe we will end up with.
I’m hopeful economies and governments will collapse before 3 degrees and measures will be put in place. I’m not extrapolating a utopian future. Before we get to the point where the world reacts, there will be many wars, migration and fascism. But as it gets worse, I’m hopeful groups will work together and fight for a better future.
Nah, what will happen is that said incompetent governments will be replaced by incompetent dictatorships that will just tell people over the barrel of a gun that things are better now.
If it makes you feel any better, once it gets that bad, society will eventually break down and our CO2 levels will naturally return to normal over the next several centuries while the Earth is reclaimed by nature as we go extinct.
Finally some good news
yay
Sounds like a shitty B movie, but this is what I truely believe we will end up with.
And we’ll deserve every bit of it.
“I think we are headed for major societal disruption within the next five years,” Gretta Pecl of the University of Tasmania told The Guardian. “[Authorities] will be overwhelmed by extreme event after extreme event, food production will be disrupted. I could not feel greater despair over the future.”
But, reason to keep fighting:
Others found hope in the climate activism and awareness of younger generations, and in the finding that each extra tenth of a degree of warming avoided protects 140 million people from extreme temperatures.
Seems low.
22% of climate scientists are likely funded by big oil. The other 1% are just normal stupid.
I can see some climate scientists just saying that 2.5C won’t be as dire as others predict without being stupid or paid off. There are often contrarians and sometimes (not often, but sometimes) they can be right, so it’s healthy to have them even when there is broad consensus. It’s how we came to accept ideas like plate tectonics.
So sure, maybe some of them are paid off (I doubt any of them are stupid since they have scientific degrees), but maybe some of them just disagree about the predictions for whatever semi-legitimate or maybe even legitimate reason and that’s fine. It’s worth exploring why just in case they could be right. The thing is, they’re scientists who are dissenting, not just some random guy on Facebook, which is why it’s worth exploring them.
There’s definitely some in there that think 2.5C is optimistic.
To be fair we don’t know what the bottom climate scientists think. They be closer to 100%.
I’m in no way a climate change denier and I too believe that the current path leads us there. However, isn’t it normal for 80% of climate scientist actively researching this to think this way? Would they not spend their efforts somewhere else if they would think this isn’t happening?
A survey among mathematicians showed that 80% consider that mathematics has the answer they’re looking for.
We need to discuss hard data and proper research, not surveys.
If someone could convincingly scientifically back up their belief that climate change isn’t going to be a big deal, they’d be swimming in oil company money to promote their work. There’s definitely an incentive to research it if you think the other way.
!collapse@lemmy.ml Is what you’re looking for.
If they’re not the ones to give us that data, who would? Polling experts in the field is different from asking fisherman if they think we should eat fish
What data though? This article doesn’t contain data - that’s my issue. You’re right, it’s not asking fishermen if they think we should eat fish. It’s asking nutritionists if they like fish.
“I’m not a climate change denier but why does anyone care what experts think?!” 🙄
why does anyone care what experts think?!
That’s not what I said at all, is it? I’m simply pointing out that we’re reacting to a poorly written article which plays on our emotional side instead of discussing the actual facts. Yes, scientists doing research in an area believe that their research is going to confirm their hypothesis. That’s how research works. In this case, I’m surprised it’s not 100% to be honest.
The whole premise of the article is stupid. Not global warming, not the fact that we’re heading towards more than 2.5C global warming by 2100, not the people answering the questions. What’s stupid is the idea of “conducting an opinion poll” in that specific group.
hard data and proper research
Maybe the answer you expect is not presented in this article?
Or at least the expectation you are presenting is something an exact science would produce?
Sorry… are you saying that a survey of what experts in a field think is happening is no indication of what is happening?
Apparently those brainiacs with their fancy book learnin’ and expertise are useless. We must all sift through hundreds of thousands of pages of raw data before reaching any conclusions. The entire concept of career specialization is wrong! Throw it out!
It’s a bizarre claim even for a climate change denier.
Yeah, I used to run into you in r/skeptic a lot, fighting the good fight lol. And we both know the mods of that sub let it be overrun with all types of deniers and insane conspiracy theorists… But at least those trolls put a little more effort into it than just scoffing at experts.
We clearly need to take back control and hack the planet 😉
No. I’m saying that “77% of Top …etc” is a stupid way of conveying the importance of the information.
In what way should it have been conveyed in a simple manner that non-scientists could understand? Because Common Dreams is not a scientific journal.
Global South
Yeah, right. How is Europe’s food security going nowadays?
Good question, but we are rearming and integrating our militaries so that the far right who will take power in the chaos can massacre random demographies with relative ease. At least we won’t die of hunger.
At least we won’t die of hunger.
The powerful among you won’t die of hunger.
I think you misunderstood me. What I was saying is that we will go shoot each other before the hunger deaths set in. As in, we won’t last long enough to die of hunger.
Hum, you won’t do that either. The people that will have the food will also have all the guns, and they are not eager to go shooting each other.
Collapse is not as action-packed as it happens in movies. (Unless it’s about toilet paper shortage in the US, it seems. WTF is up with that?)
What I’m guessing at is less open warfarey, more kristallnachtey.
I read this headline and think, “this will happen and still nothing will be done.”
Yes, I can finally die, hopefully the afterlife is a thing that… exists
we need some people, either hacking or inside job, setting the temperature in all conference rooms used by any politicians worldwide 2.5 degrees C higher than normal.
More like +10.5°C in room A and -8°C in room B.
Oh, if only.
The shitty thing is they’d start wearing lighter clothes, and use it as a campaign point that it’s not that bad, actually. Power appears to be a hell of a drug.
It’s all just scare tactics, they’ll say.
Also, that feeling of power.
Ah, the entire collection of S. Harris’ Global Warming cartoons, though lumped together with other environmental topics, is worth linking.Then we get inside people to give them 1/4 of their catered food that they ordered so they can be warmer AND hungrier.
Let. Them. Fight.
And we’ll do nothing about it because everybody is looking at corporations and their government but not at themselves to change.
You like your propaganda a lot, don’t you?
No, I just realize that corporations and governments are not motivated to do anything. I know that what I’m saying shifts the blame, but realistically it’s the only way.
But people are even less motivated and we should take away their plastic bottles and cars with laws. Individuals will always choose whats more comfortable for them, thats why we’re in this shit. Capitalists just profit off of it.
Counterpoint: There are millions of vegans taking the initiative to do the right thing when corporations and government obviously will not.
Millions is not billions and all those vegans still work at offices, buy electronic devices, drive cars and pollute in more ways than I can imagine. The problem with climate is that we’ve grown extremely accustomed to the comforts of our extremely unsustainable lives and we’re so far gone into environmental destruction that the steps we would all need to take to stop it are already extreme, and they are only getting extreme…er.
I’m a vegetarian myself, I never ever buy plastic bottles and Im generally conscious about my impact on the environment, but without basically detaching myself from society I can’t even put a dent in the destruction my lifestyle is bringing.
Most people aren’t even vegetarians and still buy plastic bottles, they will never stop until the society tells them to. We need to fundamentally shit (a typo, but I’ll allow it) our civilization to a completely different mode to even stop deepening our graves, but guess what. We can’t even fix the fucking housing market so we’re simply doomed. The corporations will still hoard their pointless profits and we’ll get annual new fucking iphones until the day we won’t even be able to grow our food.
If people don’t want to change, how in the world do you think they’ll let a [democrat, republican, etc] politician force them to? Do you think cocacola will save us? The answer is not fun.
There has been a consistent effort from the fossil fuel industry to shift the blame from themselves to individuals.
From recycling ♻️ to plastic straws, the ad campaigns put the onus on individual consumers instead of the industry. Americans overwhelmingly want to do something about climate change. But the propaganda prevents action.
Look for the main pollution producers and you’ll be shocked (or not).
Just a hint: not the individuals.
the main polluters are making products for the individuals you speak of. they don’t exist in a vacuum.
It is their responsibility , though it should be at pain of death (of their profits), to innovate in order to supply what we demand sustainability. The problem is they are not compelled to do so by any mechanism - regulatory, or market driven. And worse than that , the biggest and most culpable perpetrators of these crimes against humanity (and all other living species present and future) have actively campaigned to misinform, divide and conquer, politicize, deflect and distract (including shifting all responsibility to the individual) since they’ve known for decades that this is coming and when they alone had the means and capital to adapt, innovate, research and develop solutions for the good of all, including themselves if they’d only planned for something other than their own pockets this financial quarter.
We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options.
There was a powercut this week in a large part of Mexico (I know because of family from there). They’re getting rarer now as Mexico has really tried to get its grid uptogether. The downside of countries like this having more stable grids is more people and business installing aircon systems, which just means more energy used, more emissions.
The funny thing is there are ways to passively cool areas. You can literally install shading over windows and walls that face the main sun. Last year in the UK we had a few days where it was over 35C. Nobody here has aircon. So that heat is a shock to us. But I managed to cover the outside of open windows with reflective bubble wrap insulation cut into sheets.
I also installed a small solar system on our shed to run a fridge freezer out there. The funny thing is the half inch stand-offs actively created significant shading and the inside of the shed really cooled down to where we could sit in there and chill out or do tasks without melting. When I realised this I started looking online for research on solar power and shading and found agrovoltaics. Solar panels over farm crops such as fruit in hotter regions mean less watering needed… its more spread out than usual solar farms as it has to let the sun in a bit more to the food but its something that needs to be done more.
I also read of people ignoring their energy policy for their home electric and installing grid-tie solar. They use sheds, stands in their garden, conservatory roofing etc, and usually just a few hundred watts of solar. Typically homes have a fuse rating of 30-50 amps. One 300w solar panel grid tied is not going to be anywhere near that, but will mean up to 300w of clean energy. Energy companies should just allow these systems, even provide them if its a problem or worry to them. You can buy this stuff off amazon for a few hundred quid.
Mexico City is having water issues.
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Haha and Italy just banned agrovoltaics!
Perfect place for it too. All those grapes will be sour.
Also, and it’s kinda insane to me that not more people do this: just grow any plant on the sides of your house. If you are worried about your walls build a cheap metal fence a few centimetres before that wall. It’s the cheapest insulation you can get.
Wild wine, ivy, anything that will climb and live more than a year would work.
What do you mean no one has an aircon in the UK? I have. Plenty of my friends have them as well.
I have a small unit too, but we’re the rare ones. “Nobody” means “majority” here or do I really have to be literal wth everyone on the internet???
I have a small unit too
Haha!
it’s the same in vietnam, where it reaches 40c. many do not use ac
