• partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    This is a welcome positive step that can hopefully allow for food relief and safety to the citizens of Gaza as well as the release of Israeli citizens being held by Hamas and other groups in Gaza.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Of course not. Israel doesn’t want a ceasefire or to liberate the hostages. They want to exterminate (with hostages being a useful excuse). But if it actually happens, it’ll be not a moment too soon.

    • Rapidcreek@lemmy.worldOP
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      Nice try, but the news isout that Hamas threw a dummy and agreed to something Isreal had previously rejected.

  • DoomBot5@lemmy.world
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    An official familiar with Israeli thinking said Israeli officials were examining the proposal, but the plan approved by Hamas was not the framework Israel proposed.

    So Hamas accepted a proposal that was not proposed by Israel, effectively making this meaningless. Hamas will also accept proposals for Israel to stop existing, doesn’t mean that will happen either.

    • Hegar@kbin.social
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      This third-party brokered cease fire has been the cease fire that israel and the US have accused hamas of holding up because they want to paint hamas as the belligerents, now that hamas has agreed israel has undermine the legitimacy of the deal otherwise they look like the belligerents.

      If it turns out to have all been meaningless theatre (this is a developing story), it was israel and the US who set the stage and invited the audience.

      • DoomBot5@lemmy.world
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        Hamas agreed to conditions that were not what Israel put forth. That means they refused to accept those conditions.

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          Getting everything you want is a demand, not a negotiation, and implies bad faith.

          I’ve not seen any reporting which details what the supposed differences are, how far apart they really are, or any substantive detail at all.

          I doubt that both egypt and qatar would jeopardize their role as mediators by selling a vastly differing counter-proposal as an agreement, and the fact that bibi’s office is talking about sending it to their team rather than strongly rejecting it makes this seem to me more like israeli positioning than reality, but we’ll have to hold firm judgement until actual details come out.

          • DoomBot5@lemmy.world
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            It’s almost as if they negotiations are on going and this article is just a media outlet trying to get clicks and a narrative going without any concrete info to report on.

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      That’s how most ceasefires and treaties happen in the world. Third parties are usually the ones that broker these things.

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        Yeah, but headlines like this are just plain misleading. Hamas agreed to conditions that weren’t the ones put forth by Israel. That means it’s effectively meaningless, since we don’t know how much the terms were altered.

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          That’s how most ceasefires and treaties happen in the world. Third parties are usually the ones that broker these things.

          @njm1314@lemmy.world

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      They’re accepting one from third parties…

      Israel only accepts “deals” they make, and they usually include saying Gaza needs to be abide by the ceasefire and stay out of the way while Israel keeps attacking.

      So yes, this is meaningless, but you’re blaming the wrong side.

      • DoomBot5@lemmy.world
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        Gaza needs to be abide by the ceasefire

        Hamas has a long track record of breaking ceasfires. Their demands usually include releasing terrorists that were caught trying to murder civilians within Israel in exchanges that are 1000+:1 with hostages/bodies they hold. For those who aren’t just tuning in just for this latest conflict, this isn’t exactly news worth even mentioning until an actual deal is struck.

  • ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world
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    Netanyahu doesn’t seem to want peace as much as he wants to pull a Srebrenica in Rafah. I doubt Israel accepts unless there’s some major, unannounced consequences from the United States and Europe (like an end to military cooperation and significant sanctions on his cabinet).

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      If other countries said they can no longer support Israel it’s about the only way to get Israel to come up with a fair plan or agree to anyone else’s plan.

      If there’s a permanent cease fire, Netanyahu is probably out of power in a week.

      So he’ll keep it going as long as he can

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    JERUSALEM (AP) — The Israeli army on Monday ordered tens of thousands of people in the southern Gaza city of Rafah to begin evacuating, signaling that a long-promised ground invasion could be imminent.

    Israel has described Rafah as the last significant Hamas stronghold after seven months of war, and its leaders have repeatedly said they need to carry out a ground invasion to defeat the Islamic militant group.

    Lt. Col. Nadav Shoshani, an army spokesman, said some 100,000 people were being ordered to move to a nearby Israel-declared humanitarian zone called Muwasi.

    Shoshani said Israel published a map of the evacuation area, and that orders were being issued through leaflets dropped from the sky, text messages and radio broadcasts.

    They live in densely packed tent camps, overflowing U.N. shelters or crowded apartments, and are dependent on international aid for food, with sanitation systems and medical facilities infrastructure crippled.

    But even as the U.S., Egypt and Qatar have pushed for a cease-fire agreement, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeated last week that the military would move on the town “with or without a deal” to achieve its goal of destroying the Hamas militant group.


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