I know the FOSS fans within our community don’t like the terms of Grayjay. That said we have options like NewPipe, ytdlp, nvidious, Libretube, etc. which are FOSS and AFAIK each have different extraction mechanisms, so one change on the page end can’t reliably shut down every method. I get that Louis is against Sponsorblock and his personal feelings and morals influence the direction of the software too.
The Grayjay app is a bit more like Shareware, Louis himself described his app’s monetization scheme like an infinite free trial. He knows many people are going to use it for free. He knows that others will pay the one time payment for a license, and it doesn’t necessarily have to be linked to the install or anything.
The thing is that diversity in the space makes us stronger in the face of the gigantic monolith that Google is. His repair foundation or whatever that was means that he has a few more resources pooled together than the rest of us to put up a legal fight that in the end will hopefully effect change that helps all of us.
AFAIK, Grayjay is not a closed source app, the source is on github, but he chose a license that restricts monetization and redistribution due to having concerns of people taking FOSS apps and repackaging them on app stores with added monetization or malware.
I get that Louis is against Sponsorblock and his personal feelings and morals influence the direction of the software too.
Louis may be against sponsorblock, but sponsorblock is supported in Grayjay, so at least he’s not letting his personal feelings get in the way too much of what his userbase wants.
I hope Louis does well in case they go up against Google. I just hope they get a good judge that has a decent understanding of how the tech works and how a decision one way or another will really affect everything.
Having an ideological-problem with people making a living off their code is independent of whether their code was honestly, actually, published, & therefore is actual open-source.
having an ideological-problem with people making a living off their code
I’m just going to stop you right there. Free Software / Open Source Software are not opposed to people earning money. In fact, they encourage it and there are several avenues through which it is possible, such as not making the code public and selling binaries to people with the source bundled.
You don’t need to fuck over and mistreat users to earn money.
Grayjay.app for those interested in the app he runs that YouTube is threatening him over
source available but not FOSS…
hmm even if this is made by Louis Rossmann not sure if I like that
I personally wouldn’t use it but I’m also not a Louis fanboy either
I know the FOSS fans within our community don’t like the terms of Grayjay. That said we have options like NewPipe, ytdlp, nvidious, Libretube, etc. which are FOSS and AFAIK each have different extraction mechanisms, so one change on the page end can’t reliably shut down every method. I get that Louis is against Sponsorblock and his personal feelings and morals influence the direction of the software too.
The Grayjay app is a bit more like Shareware, Louis himself described his app’s monetization scheme like an infinite free trial. He knows many people are going to use it for free. He knows that others will pay the one time payment for a license, and it doesn’t necessarily have to be linked to the install or anything.
The thing is that diversity in the space makes us stronger in the face of the gigantic monolith that Google is. His repair foundation or whatever that was means that he has a few more resources pooled together than the rest of us to put up a legal fight that in the end will hopefully effect change that helps all of us.
It just comes across hypocritical. He demands everyone else be open, hardware vendors, video hosts, yet himself wants to be closed.
AFAIK, Grayjay is not a closed source app, the source is on github, but he chose a license that restricts monetization and redistribution due to having concerns of people taking FOSS apps and repackaging them on app stores with added monetization or malware.
Not ideal, but not closed either.
Louis may be against sponsorblock, but sponsorblock is supported in Grayjay, so at least he’s not letting his personal feelings get in the way too much of what his userbase wants.
I hope Louis does well in case they go up against Google. I just hope they get a good judge that has a decent understanding of how the tech works and how a decision one way or another will really affect everything.
Just use Newpipe. It supports similar functionality and is on F-droid under the GPL-3 or later license.
The other option is libretube.
If only he didn’t decide to call it “open source”, when it has quite an egregious license.
Whether it’s source is open or not,
has nothing to do with its licensing.
It’s on a github repo: it’s open-source.
Having an ideological-problem with people making a living off their code is independent of whether their code was honestly, actually, published, & therefore is actual open-source.
Fun fact: open source has a definition: https://opensource.org/osd
I don’t know much about Grayjay, but how you are describing it, it at best is “source open”
I’m just going to stop you right there. Free Software / Open Source Software are not opposed to people earning money. In fact, they encourage it and there are several avenues through which it is possible, such as not making the code public and selling binaries to people with the source bundled.
You don’t need to fuck over and mistreat users to earn money.
Not foss
This ain’t a foss sub
True, but see a lot of people compare grayjay to foss