I don’t like this meme because the last two panels don’t rhyme.
I think they’re going for tried a coup / want you rhyme but the scanscion doesn’t work
Both sides are corrupt, not “the same”
One side is more corrupt than the other.
Which side that is, I leave as an exercise to the reader. But I assure you one side is worse, and that means we have to vote for the other side.
Corruption is OK as long as one is the lesser of two evils.
And not the same corrupt, and that corruption doesn’t mean they deliver the exact same outcome.
Yep. But on the idea of the corruption alone the outcome is what benifites the individual politician.
There’s things happening right now that the middle saying “both sides are the same” should be the least of anyone’s worries. We’re now not only making the right the enemy but we are now attacking the middle, which has pretty much zero power and hasn’t done much of note to make everyone an enemy.
We need to stop focusing on what Joe Jackass thinks and believes and start to focus our hate on the government system itself. We’re on the fast road to self destruction if everything is done out of hate and to stick it to’ them’
The fact that Democrats consider those bottom of the barrel plans from the open healthcare plans as replacement for Medicare just proves they want to dismantle real healthcare slowly. They are literally a worse version of private healthcare plans we already had.
It’s true. Those plans cover jack shit.
The hot new thought-terminating cliche
They want you to have paid healthcare to protect their lobbyists’ profits.
Unless you fall under medicare or medicaid, have fun paying insane insurance costs to cover your medical bills because the “left” is too busy using all their budget to fund a genocide.
Can we stop with these unfunny strawman arguments. This echo chamber crap regardless of your left or right, y’all do the exact same memes and none are ever as witty or funny as the creator thinks.
It’s not a strawman when there are always people saying Dems are the same as Reps.
Are Democrats “the left” for you? If anything, they are the center, even more right than left.
The Democrats are closer to the Republicans than they are to the actual left.
SO, if anyone is saying that the Democrats are the same as the Republicans, it should be the actual leftists and the communists instead of the centrists.
I think the center is actually saying “yes, we need more social policies but let’s not jump into communism and ‘0h work week’ anti-work shit please”. That’s it.
I’m pretty sure 90% of centrists would agree with universal Healthcare. I’m not even sure what’s the point of this meme. “If you’re not with me, you’re against me” kind of fallacy? OK.
The terms “left” and “right” are being used relatively in this context. Not that you’d understand that nuance if it hit you upside your head, seeing as you have exactly zero idea what an American moderate thinks like. They might say that shit, but as soon as they hear their taxes or gas prices go up they cower away
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Typically, when I encounter the phrase “both sides are the same,” it’s often from a perspective aligned with blue conservatism, aimed at discrediting critiques of the Democratic party. While it’s true that both sides have elements of capitalism and conservatism, there are distinct differences between them. Embracing these differences is crucial. Instead of dismissing critics, inviting them into the political process can lead to valuable insights and solutions. Transitioning from the first-past-the-post voting system allows for more accurate representation of voters’ preferences and mitigates the spoiler effect. Electoral reform at the state level is feasible, as demonstrated by Maine and Alaska. However, some Republican-led states are attempting to hinder alternative electoral systems. counterproductive to adopt the same voting systems preferred by Republicans. Embracing more political parties enhances representation and engagement in the electoral process, benefiting both citizens and the Democratic party. Increasing voter participation translates to more Democratic votes. The evidence supports the urgency of electoral reform, which should be a top priority for Democrats in every state. Launching campaigns for change at the state level can pressure representatives to embrace innovative ideas and provide better representation for constituents. Excuses shouldn’t hinder our pursuit of the best possible representation.
Annoying and irrelevant. Write a comment related to the text of the post or don’t comment at all if all you can do is make broad “typically”s and generalizations.
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Some of us mean different shit. I think “both sides” have the same theory of governance - they agree about what they can control. There’s no objective line either of them follow.
exactly, yet they copy paste this wall of text every single time, and refuse to answer questions or comments. literal refusal to engage with humans as individuals with positions meaning different shit—everyone is the same to them.
Same as ‘social contract’ shit.
So is this supposed to sway centrists to democrat?
I think its supposed to sway centrists to Republican.
I mean, revolting against the government is an age-old celebrated patriotic tradition. But a socialized medical system? Sounds like leftists want to turn us into Venezuela.
Sway centrists? No, this is to make fun of their idiocy (or pretend centrism). If they would be swayed, living in a world where the issues in the panel are repeatedly thrown at them would have done it already. Those morons deserve nothing but ridicule.
So are you trying to create voter apathy and make sure Trump gets elected, comrade?
“The left”
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Those red and blue dots are damned close together for one guy that incited a coup, kept mein kampf on this nightstand writes love letters to Putin and IL.
Biden is nowhere near where I want him to be policy-wise, But to try to put them close together on social issues is disingenuous
The political compass site is far from scientific.
Because the political compass is a lie meant to perpetuate “both-sidesism”.
Let’s look at the vertical axis. Would you agree Biden is pretty much as Authoritarian as Trump?
No. Grow up.
Not remotely. Both are very much right wing, but there is a wide and wild ocean between the two in terms of authoritarianism.
Exhibit A against Biden
https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-antiterrorism-and-effective-death-penalty-act/
What is the Trump authoritarian equivalent?
His use of federal death penalties that he did a record number of at the end of his presidential term as an attempt to raise support for his re-election using illegally supplied drugs that can’t be used for that anymore.
To the point that part of his re-election campaign is still in death penalty but using firing squads or hanging as his alternative to lethal injection since they could be made public to scare citizens against acting out and again he accidentally helped make illegal the drugs he used in federal executions.
Trump is chasing populism, but the Biden team is not exactly proactively against capital punishment.
Biden could tell the Justice Department not to pursue the death penalty, but he hasn’t.
Harris kept the death penalty available when she was California attorney general.
Through inaction, the Democrats are being equally authoritarian.
It’s also an excuse for the people on r/politicalcompassmemes to act like an “enlightened compass”
Biden regarding black people: “Superpredators”
Biden regarding Palestinians: “Kill their women and children if you have to.”
Don’t bring black people into this. Obama chose Biden as his VP twice. Also, black people were key voters in winning Georgia, cementing Biden’s victory. They obviously like him.
I’m personally not a fan of Biden. But it’s not like we have real options to choose from.
https://news.gallup.com/interactives/507569/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx
At least among non-white people, his approval has gone from 80% at the start of Biden’s term to 46% now. So… he was popular with certain demographics before. Now he’s not (except democrats, liberals, and postgraduates still have an approval rating above 50%). He has a higher approval rating from boomers than non-whites now.
The thing about approval ratings is, you may dislike a solution but favor it above others. I totally understand disliking Biden but still voting for him.
I think current polls are flawed and the people who “dislike” Biden will still vote for him. The public is fickle and enthusiasm will be determined by an event closer to the election.
At this point in the 2008 election, Obama and Hillary were neck and neck. John Edwards was still in the race for the Democratic nomination. Of course, Biden had not yet been nominated for VP. Literally ignore everything until late September.
Fucking vote.
Biden regarding black people: “Superpredators”
No that’s Hillary “I deserve whatever I want” Rodham Clinton
He made the bill she used to say that but his actual idea on what made someone a “predator” was being born out of wedlock.
… He’s not great but let’s get it right at least.
Why don’t you join a political party and start a grassroots campaign to replace First Past the Post?
Or maybe you already belong to a party, and are just trying to create apathy to prevent people from voting Democratic to ensure Trump gets re-elected?
Why don’t you join a political party and start a grassroots campaign to replace First Past the Post?
Careful now. That sounds a lot like encouraging people to vote 3rd party in the upcoming election.
They didn’t say anything about voting in presidential elections. They said start a campaign and advocate for the change they want see.
Lol okay buddy.
Fuckin’ wrecked nerd.
Campaign in which party smart guy?
Any party you want in local elections, jesus fucking christ, do you not know what fucking “grassroots” means? God damn.
Or maybe I’m not American and I’m just pointing out there is no “Left” in America
“Biden is less authoritarian than Trump!” I cry as I’m dragged into the back of a police cruiser for criticizing Israeli. I’d go into further detail, but the police are currently gagging me, beating me with their batons, and harnessing me to the Palestinian Chair
Please stop using the political compass. Perpetuating right wing propaganda and misinformation is not helpful.
Which one do you suggest?
Don’t assign good boy and bad boy points to things like “everyone should have access to basic necessities” and “kill everyone with more melanin than me” at all.
That’s how you end with the “Hitler was a centrist” bullshit PCM was selling.
One what? The left/right spectrum is a complex web of ideals. On the right you have consolidation of wealth and power and on the left you have egalitarianism (equally shared wealth and power).
The extreme right contains power structures like dictatorship, monarchism, and oligarchy.
The extreme left contains power structures like direct democracy, anarchism, and communism (lower-case C; inclusive of, but not limited to, Marxism).
There is no “leftist authoritarianism” - that’s an oxymoron - authoritarianism in any form is nothing more than garden-variety rightism. Rightists appropriating leftist terminology to confuse and control the populace is a bog-standard rightist strategy. It’s really that simple.
And where do you think, no access to free healthcare, no access to free education, legalized lobbying, criminalised prostitution, industrial military complex, for profit prison system, falls into that spectrum?
Correct me if I’m wrong but the democratic party is not about to change any of those.
It seems like you just made the point without getting the point.
The US Democratic party, its leadership, and the majority of its members are right wing. There is nothing to be surprised about here.
Being “less to the right” than violent, fascist Republicans doesn’t make them leftist, it just makes them “less to the right”.
Actually studying political science
Yeah, probably just another Democrat bot posting about 🔵 🌊
I think Left and Right should be renaned to People Feeding and People Eating
Thats confusing because the left eats the rich.
Ew. No. I’d really rather they just be mulched.
Head removed and on a pike preferably, just to try to reduce prions in the soil and as a nice decorative piece.
Centrists do tend to abandon rhyme schemes when rapping.
What left? lmao Besides, both sides are ultimately bought and paid for the same interest groups and billionaires. The acts of individuals on the ground have little to do with the actual policies being passed. The only difference is that the democrats won’t call you a slur while they fuck you over. It’s not centrist to recognize the current state of affairs within American politics. Biden made tons of promises he never acted on. We will never have any real advancement until something fundamentally changes.
To be fair either one are so rightwing by european standards, that french will blow dust off National Razor.
If there was actual left, there would be health care already. Instead there are billionaires.
Bro real shit just don’t pay your medical bills. They literally cannot make you pay them, and they are used to insurance companies not paying the full price, so they are already prepared to write it off as a tax loss. You give everyone free healthcare and people will be going to the ER for allergies and it will slow down the entire medical system. You needn’t look farther than Canada. At least this way everyone can be seen in a timely manner
They CAN make you pay them. They can go as far as garnishing your wages if you just ignore them.
But in my experience they won’t. I’ve actually done that several times and it was fine. Even so, my credit rating is considered “Excellent” by all the bureaus.
Liberals aren’t left. You guys have far right and neolib mid-right
I only ever see “both sides are the same” as a atrawman, here. I’ve never seen it presented genuinely, generally I see “I have issues with the Democrats” and the only response is either “but the other guys are worse” and “bOtH sIDeS aRe ThE sAmE!!”
ALMOST as if having an actual conversation about the problems people with the Democrats makes people uncomfortable.
If you really want to change the party, JOIN it, convince like-minded people to join, and start changing it from the inside.
You know, like the way Trump and MAGA changed the Republicans.
I’ve been doing that for 20 years. Between that and spit in my hand at least the hand with spit has something to show for the effort.
The DNC has made it clear they’re not interested in moving to the left and that they’re perfectly happy gradually meandering further right. Sure, 30 million Democrats might see it differently but the people voting aren’t actually in charge.
MAGA had the support of moderate Republicans.
Leftists and progressives do not have the support of moderate and liberals. They made this clear in the 2020 primaries. Anyone to the left of Biden was too radical. Liberals and moderates made it clear again yesterday when they celebrated police breaking up the protestors. When Biden was asked if the protests have made him reevaluate his policies in Israel he simply said “No”.
There’s no room for us in the Democrat party so I’ll be voting 3rd party.
Voting third party for president won’t solve that problem, it will just help, in your case, a more right wing POTUS get into office, one who has proven to be especially dangerous to our democracy. It’s a dumb idea because it’s counter productive to your goals and virtually useless.
If you want better representation you’ll have to work from the ground up by getting people into office that will move to end fptp voting.
You’re trying to play the game with the rules you want it to have, not with the rules it actually has.
Voting third party for president won’t solve that problem
I’m aware I have no way of solving this problem. Never claimed otherwise.
If you want better representation you’ll have to work from the ground up by getting people into office that will move to end fptp voting.
Even if progressives and leftists managed to get a halfway decent candidate through the primaries all that would happen is that liberals and moderates would be the ones who vote Republican, vote 3rd party or don’t show up. We’re at an impasse.
You’re trying to play the game with the rules you want it to have, not with the rules it actually has.
Actually I think that’s what you’re doing. The rules that it has are I get to choose who I vote for. Not you.
I’m aware I have no way of solving this problem. Never claimed otherwise.
Then it makes even less sense to vote for a third party because you know it doesn’t do anything.
Even if progressives and leftists managed to get a halfway decent candidate through the primaries all that would happen is that liberals and moderates would be the ones who vote Republican, vote 3rd party or don’t show up. We’re at an impasse.
I’m not taking about the primary, i’m talking about how the vote is done. If we can get rid of fptp voting system, and replace it with something like star voting, then people are more free to vote for who they want instead of using reason and voting strategically. This is the way to increase the chances of getting more liberal people elected.
The rules that it has are I get to choose who I vote for. Not you.
By no stretch of the imagination did I even remotely suggest I get to choose who you vote for.
Then it makes even less sense to vote for a third party because you know it doesn’t do anything.
I can stay home if that would make you feel better?
If we can get rid of fptp voting system
Never going to happen with the kind of candidates who make it through the primaries.
By no stretch of the imagination did I even remotely suggest I get to choose who you vote for.
Ok then accept I’m going to vote 3rd party and stop trying to convince me to do something else.
They will make an argument like my mom where they just think its all rigged anyway, and then vote for the firsf radical they see even if ifs Traitor Trump. You have to realize these people are not even slightly informee
The only things liberals know how to do are using whataboutism to deflect all criticism of the Democrats by talking about the Republicans, and doing genocide apologia.
Liberal just means not conservative. There is no monolithic body called “the liberals” whose beliefs are all alike. It’s a spectrum.
It’s frankly incredible how often this needs to be stated.
A lot of us speak colloqial, speaking colloquial is more common. You cannot enter a discourse held by laymen, assume and use academic definitions, and expect to be understood or agreed with
Much of the English speaking world uses liberal to mean its formal definition, for example, the Liberal Democratic Party in the UK.
Maybe not if the definition is left assumed to be shared, but you’d think the layman may come to a richer understanding of meaning once presented with a precise distinction .
There’s distinct flavors of liberalism in political science. For example in Classical Liberalism most modern conservatives are included because they want a democratic government.
That’s kind of my point. Saying ‘liberal just means not conservative’ is so vague that it’s effectively meaningless.
I also think it’s done intentionally to normalize/consolidate voting patterns for a set of people who share very little actual views or policy goals and enforce a political binary. In that way I think it’s worse than meaningless - it’s actively harmful.
Both parties engage in this word play. It’s about creating a team mentality.
Well as long as you’re aware of the coercion
All peolpe who say all liberals aren’t left are idiots who like to lump everyone into one box to make their point.
Neoliberalism is a far right ideology brought to mainstream politics by Ronald Reagan and Margret Thatcher. Later embraced by the most right wing of the american pseudo left like Clinton who abandoned their traditional union and grassroot support for the big banks and extra large corporate funding. This led to the embracement of neo conservativism by Newt Gingrich and the right in general to differentiate themselves from the new political shift from the pseudo left wings encroachment on their bread basket, the corporations. Enter the US downward spiral to our current political landscape as the leolibreal wing matches ever right and the conservative wing courts the endless bag of batshit crazy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
Just because the word has the root liber in it does not make it left on a political spectrum.
Liberalism is pro-Capitalist, it was only ever considered left wing when it was revolutionary, ie in feudalism.
In the modern, Capitalist and Imperialist era, Liberalism supports the status quo and is right wing because of it.
Liberals aren’t left.
Leftism is when you’re in favor of a 3% increase in the marginal tax rate, an increase in the number of Pell Grants issued annually, and an expansion of eligibility for Medicaid under a new means testing regime…
What you’re thinking of is the Far-Left, which is when you become an Authoritarian National Socialist and kill 6M Jews, like Joseph Stalin did when he illegally invaded Germany.
Its called Horseshoe Theory. And if you weren’t so busy skipping classes to go protest Joe Biden, maybe you’d have learned about it.
Did you just blame the holocaust on the soviets? really?
This is a sarcastic comment, lol
I think they’re calling the nazis hard left, which is its own, different flavor of dumb.
It’s neither, it’s a sarcastic comment.
which is when you become an Authoritarian National Socialist and kill 6M Jews, like Joseph Stalin did when he illegally invaded Germany
Maybe, but it really reads like he is saying the soviets killed 6m jews when they “illegally” invaded germany
Lol
Lmao
That’s ironic. You obviously skipped political ideology at the 200 level.
Yes, it’s literally a sarcastic comment.
I don’t know how to tell you this but here goes. There are people who actually believe what they’ve said. It’s not a modest proposal, it’s Holocaust denial which is a central theme to modern fascists.
There are people who actually believe what they’ve said.
From the halls /r/libertarian to the shores of /r/anachy. Its weapon’s grade radical centrism.
If this is a joke it’s gone down rather poorly. At best it reads like Schroedinger’s Joke Propaganda.
The number of people completely missing your sarcasm is unfortunately unsurprising.
I will admit that I was jabated by this comment until I read yours and had to go reread it
Cool, one side is more to the left than the other side, so that makes them left. Comments like yours are both extremely fucking useless and getting old.
i agree with the rhetorical goals of this meme, but it does its job poorly.
some better options:
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the right yawns when kids get shot
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the left seeks to put in place bare minimum common sense gun laws
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the left wants healthcare to be a human right
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the right wants healthcare to be privatized for the benefit of investors
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the right wants trans people, an incredibly small fraction of the population, to be harassed, abused, and murdered
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the left doesn’t want that
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the right is actively looking to get a national ban on abortion
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the left supports a woman’s bodily autonomy, and recognizes that abortion can also be a life saving procedure but that such decisions should remain between a pregnant person and their doctor
and one very important and fucking atrocity of a similarity between the parties that will be used as a “gotcha” to “prove” all of the left/progressives are a poisoned well:
- Republicans are Zionists and support an active genocide
- Democrats are Zionists and support an active genocide
“Oh, you can see a well defined difference between the only two parties with a chance at winning an election in the US? I guess youre actually a Lib TM bc theres absolutely no way, none at all, that you might be anything left of center.”
Also, you missed,
The left wants to fund the Ukranians fighting their sovereignty,
The right wants vlad the dictator to steamroll eastern europe bc daddy dump says hes big and strong unlike the clearly gencocidal nazi Volodomyr “no, i wont give u dirt on ur political opponents just for protecting my people, you imbecile” Zelenskyy.
- Republicans are Zionists and support an active genocide
- Democrats are Zionists and support an active genocide
“President Biden told the Israeli leader that airstrikes that killed aid workers were “unacceptable” and appeared to condition future support on how Israel changes course.” https://archive.ph/t5tIi
Trump tells Israel to “finish the job” in gaza
https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b
these are true but facts picked in bad faith. biden has also said “I am a Zionist” and has shown no restraint in financially supporting the apartheid regime.
Yes, there is nuance and separation to the hows and the degrees of the Zionism and supprt for genocide. But neither side is anything less than culpable.
Oh and he punished them by stopping the military aid right?
No?
So it’s just political theater then.
Did Biden to tell them to “cut it out”?
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