Wait Biden actually said something true?
He’s not wrong but also I believe there’s a saying in English about stones and glass houses.
Xeno Biden doesn’t care.
Even the most bigoted parts of the US are nowhere near as xenophobic as Japan. Housing discrimination based on race is still perfectly acceptable over there, many people will refuse to rent to foreigners.
Do you think there isn’t housing discrimination happening in the US?
Black families often have their homes appraised for less than white family homes.
Housing applications often get denied if the person has a non white last name.
Hell, the last time I was looking around for a room to rent I got asked multiple times over the phone. “You’re white right?”
perfectly acceptable
At least some governments in Japan appear to disagree:
Japan signed the “International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD)” in 1996
Tokyo Metropolitan Government educates real estate agents on the illegality of nationality-based rental refusals, considering them discriminatory
And the article itself seems to contradict with those statements…
China xenophobic? I don’t think Biden knows what the word means. The oldest mosque outside of the Middle East is in China of all places built in 627 CE, and still standing.
What happened to the mosques in Spain and Occupied Palestine? Turned into bars and chicken coops.
Okay I hate the West as much as any other guy, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. China 1400 years ago isn’t in any way the same as China today. Nowadays it’s that most Muslim Chinese groups are accepted as Chinese (the Hui are about as Chinese as the Han, for example) and that’s why they can practice Islam in peace; otherwise you’re treated like the Uighurs. Also foreigners in China are absolutely treated as outsiders; that’s just a fact.
Okay I hate the West as much as any other guy, but
but you’re about to power right on through that, aren’t you?
otherwise you’re treated like the Uighurs.
Shot, chaser. Thanks for giving me a three-line lib Bingo, btw; the last space I needed was ‘someone trying to resurrect Adrian Zenz in this thread’.
dynasties and ideologies came and went in China and the mosques still stand
what happened to mosques in Spain? what is happening to mosques in Occupied Palestine and India right now?
Islam is xeno (foreign) to China and yet you have mosques from the 7th and 8th centuries still standing
otherwise you’re treated like the Uighurs.
here’s an interesting fact, they are the only Turkic people who still use their centuries old script, and haven’t been secularized and westernized unlike Turks in the former USSR or Turkiye.
The issue for the Uyghurs is separatism, not Islam or culture in particular. No nation will tolerate separatists. https://dkiapcss.edu/college/publications/uyghur-muslim-ethnic-separatism-in-xinjiang-china/ https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/east-turkestan-islamic-movement-etim
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation report on the Uyghur did not find anything concerning, though the OIC has been criticized by Western rights groups. Interestingly, when it comes to Palestine the situation is reversed, where the OIC is speaking up but Western rights groups have been mostly silent. It is confusing seeing Anthony Blinken criticize China for the alleged genocide of Uyghurs, I haven’t seen any images or videos that suggest it is real, but unabashedly defend Israel’s actions which are clear and evident genocide.
Okay honestly as a fellow Muslim (I think you mentioned that somewhere else before???) what you’re doing right now is actually shameful. Just a week ago one man was arrested because he was advising people to not drink or smoke. Uighurs are literally sent to concentration camps and are subjected to forced labor and there you are defending their treatment because you don’t like the West. You need to rethink your priorities, seriously.
here’s an interesting fact, they are the only Turkic people who still use their centuries old script, and haven’t been secularized and westernized unlike Turks in the former USSR or Turkiye.
I mean yes that’s the problem. Islam is no longer foreign to China; again the Hui are as Chinese as the Han. Islam is not, in fact, xeno in China. The Uighurs are, being Turkic people.
Western rights groups have been mostly silent.
What? The Palestinian cause has progressed light years thanks to the work of groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. They came late to the party but they have not been silent, no way.
Okay honestly as a fellow Muslim
So you’re gonna minstrel out for the white man, parrot his bullshit when I know for a fact you’ve never once set foot near Xinjiang? Can you even pronounce Xinjiang? How about organizations of your presumed peers, since you wanna claim Islam like that, how about the OIC reports that found nothing worth talking about there? Why hasn’t anyone in the middle east chatted shit about the Uyghurs? 🦝 shit if you actually are what you claim to be.
Why hasn’t anyone in the middle east chatted shit about the Uyghurs?
Because there’s absolutely no awareness about the issue here. Or about almost anything concerning Russia and China. People here thing Russia is their friend and Ukraine deserves it for having a Zionist president while forgetting that it’s Russia behind Al Asad. Also China is, when all’s said and done, on good terms with the Middle East and general Muslim world. I don’t think anyone is too excited to damage that relation by acknowledging the Uighurs’ suffering.
Jesus fuckin christ the last time I heard this much coonery in one place I was listening to Morehouse’s faculty breathlessly justifying Biden giving a commencement speech in the midst of a verifiable genocide he aids and abets. You really think no one in that region has put eyes on the Xinjiang situation? You really think we have issues with Ukraine over the Zionist issue first and foremost when we’ve been VERY LOUD ABOUT THE NAZIS IN THEIR BRIGADES?? You might as well be Anglo-Amerikan for how you’re talking right now.
not demolishing a single mosque isn’t exactly the kind of standard one sets when determining xenophobia
still a higher standard than many modern Western states such as Israel, or a modern democracy such as India, if the Chinese were xenophobic they could have demolished the mosque at any point in history, they didn’t
Japan simply is xenophobic. I lived there for 2 years. That’s just a fact.
I lived there for four years. Nice and friendly people. Never felt unsafe.
I shared that experience. I also was actively excluded from all sorts of things (including essential services) because I was a foreigner. Whenever a group of expats got together, at some point in the night, the conversation would be about how everyone got discriminated against recently.
Did you put effort into learning Japanese? I didn’t experience any exclusion.
Unsafe doesn’t mean they liked or respected you as an equal
True. But I did mention that they were also friendly. I had no issue getting into all sorts of activities with them. From playing the Shamisen to practicing Sadō. I had lots of friends who would help me out in all sorts of things, such as the University entrance exam, moving stuff, and translation.
I’m speaking of my experiences of course. I come from a different cultural background (Arab). I lived in both the US and Japan, and in almost all aspects except employment and income, I prefer Japan. Your mileage may vary.
Welcome, though? They pretty famously don’t like foreigners around them, even if they’re not going to say it directly to you.
Have you lived there? Not my experience. I felt like I was welcomed. I was welcomed into their cultural activities, I was welcomed into their homes. I did put effort into learning the language and the culture, and followed their norms to the best I can.
No, but a lot of other people have and you’re a definite minority saying that, so, X to doubt basically.
It’s not just people who don’t bother trying, either. BBC’s long term Japan correspondent wrote an article about it when he finally left, and I’m pretty sure he’s fluent.
Never felt unsafe is a very low bar. Not feeling unsafe now
Who cares what this genocidal fascist has to say. The sooner he kicks it the better it will be for everyone else.
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I mean he’s not wrong, but where does he expect China to get immigrants from? They’re 20% of the world.
He’s also cherry picking data. It’s a weird flex.
The proportion of immigrants in the US isn’t exactly high compared to somewhere like Canada.
I mean the US is 15% immigrants, or about 50 million people. I know we like to shit on the US but that’s a ridiculously big number.
In terms of raw numbers thee US has a huge population so it has more of everything, whether that’s immigrants or murderers or doctors or pedophiles.
In perms of the percentage of its population tho, 15% is somewhere in the middle of the pack, well behind countries like Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland etc.
Boasting that you have more immigration than random countries like Japan is just odd.
Boasting that you have more immigration than random countries like Japan is just odd.
He’s not boasting; he’s saying that immigration would do a lot to solve their problems; and he’s correct. I hate Biden’s guts but he’s correct here. For context Japan is a notoriously xenophobic country and currently sits at a 2%. They’re not “a random country”.
In perms of the percentage of its population tho, 15% is somewhere in the middle of the pack, well behind countries like Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland etc.
I mean people deciding to come to your country isn’t proportional to your population, or really related at all. It’d be like expecting China to have the same 15% as the US (for context that’d be about 250 million people). That’s just not how that works.
I agree he specifically called out Japan to contrast with the US because its immigration was weaker.
people deciding to come to your country isn’t proportional to your population
Are you saying fewer people decide to come to the US than to those other countries?
Seems unlikely. Pretty sure the US could let in a lot more immigrants if it wanted to.
Pretty sure the US could let in a lot more immigrants if it wanted to.
I mean yes that’s the case for everyone. I’m saying the number of people applying to immigration to the US isn’t four times that of Germany, for example, so even if they accept people according to the exact same criteria Germany will have a bigger percentage.
Are you sure? I’d expect the number applying to the US would be hundreds of times higher than the number applying to New Zealand.
I don’t especially love or hate Biden btw, I mean I can’t stand US foriegn policy on the Gaza Genocide but it’s not like their other mainstream politicians wouldn’t have done more or less the same. It’s a real pity the US hadn’t been able to elect someone like Bernie Sanders.
There are also different immigration rates for different states, some of which are as big as major countries. There are many states in the US driving the national average down because they have such a low percentage.
For the same reason we can’t take 15min without the context of the US’s size, smaller countries having larger percentages also need to be contextualized. The raw number does have some meaning here. It’s also about annual rate of immigration.
The US has been wavering between 16% and 15% for about a decade which is when I started taking an interest in this stuff. It’s a fairly steady state.
My country has risen from 25% to 27% first generation migrants in that timeframe.
Per capita is a much more useful for comparing effects on total workforce etc.
It’s not necessarily good or bad per se. I think there are so many variables at play, everything from type of migration, underlying birth rate of host country through to effect on housing stock and whether taxes and infrastructure can keep pace.
But yeah Biden’s speech was just strange given that context.
Yet Japan still bows down to their masters in DC. Can Japan for once wake up along with occupied Korea?
There are a lot of people in South Korea that hates the US and Japan way more than the DPRK or China. There are still a strong anti-US sentiment in Okinawa and near US bases in Japan, these led to the 1960 and 1970 Anpo protests in Japan.
I don’t live in Japan. But, I don’t see the issue with Japan being ‘xenophobic’.
Xenophobia is a bad thing, so being xenophobic is bad too. 👍
The president made the remark while arguing that Japan, along with Russia and China, would perform better economically if the countries embraced immigration more.
Oh, well that’s true enough. Japan is crazy anti immigration despite that being a solution to their low birth rate.
As neat as Japan sounds and as much as I’d like to be there, I mean, he’s not wrong
I watch YouTubers who moved to and live there talk about how they’re just indefinitely treated like a tourist
lmao well he isn’t wrong about Japan at least
About all 3 tbh. China and russia are literally in the middle of committing genocides. Doesnt get much more xenophobic than that lol
I think Biden’s definition of xenophobic here is “unwilling to sacrifice everything in a suicidal world war on the Pacific front”
No. It means not liking foreigners, making it hard for them to find housing or get credits.
As always, more projection
Lol what?
The US is one of the most xenophobic countries in the world.
What do you mean by this? I live in the US on the Mexico border and we are extremely welcoming.
Stop getting your facts from Fox News.
People are allowing perfect be the enemy of good. We could treat migrants better and improve the visa pipeline, but once they acclimate they are just another person.
once they acclimate
I’m curious what you consider “acclimation” (and I assume you mean assimilate) because that’s a pretty loaded requirement
"Just assimilate into settler-vapidity and you won’t get discriminated against anymore; won’t keep the crackers from misidentifying where you’re from and gunning you down in the street over it anyway."
Its really not and I challenge you to provide stats that say otherwise. Of course its one of the countries with the most racial tension, but that comes along with being one of the most racially diverse.
Does forced sterilization lend any credibility to that statement?
Japan is notably more xenophobic. No matter how long you live in Japan, even if you manage to get full citizenship (which even celebrities who have lived there for decades struggle with), you are never considered “Japanese” by the native-born Japanese people.
The USA on the other hand is comparatively easy to become a citizen of and has laws banning discrimination based on race and national origin for employers. A citizen is a citizen is a citizen. The only job in the entire country that requires you be born as a citizen is the POTUS.
It’s pretty damn hard to become a citizen in the US, and there are several studies showing that even legal immigrants from non-white countries with citizenship will face discrimination for their entire time in the US. Let’s not forget how we treat people at the border either. There’s significant evidence of genocidal treatment of immigrants at the Southern border, like forced sterilization
Right, but in Japan it’s legal for businesses to racially descriminate against both potential customers and potential hires. During the height of the COVID pandemic, many businesses had “No Foreigners allowed” signs due to the perception that COVID was spread by foreigners. In the US there’s lots of controversy over racism, but in Japan you don’t hear about it because it’s generally the accepted status quo.
To be clear, I’m not saying the US is not xenophobic. What I am saying is that from an American perspective, Japan is even more so.
most?
Don’t get out much, eh? Xenophobia is present all throughout the world in different amounts, it has its roots in any insulated human nature. The US is far from the worst on Earth though, despite whatever cherry-picked propaganda one may read. We just do have some, particularly in more interior regions.
I don’t hear about other countries doing forced sterilization on immigrants.
Yeah I’m not clicking on that. Assuming it’s about the ICE facility allegations from 2020 though. And yeah, Trump is a monster. Make no mistake, the US could go fully fascist if we let it, there are certainly xenophobic elements within the country. It’s not a majority opinion though.
“majority opinion” doesn’t matter, government actions do. Regardless of the majority opinion, what has occurred and other things that continue to occur are irreparably destroying lives and killing people.
This is emphatically wrong on every level. You’re calling an entire country and it’s inhabitants xenophobic, yet you’re referring to the actions of a far-right figure we not only voted out of office, but never voted to put in in the first place (he lost the popular vote.)
You’re ironically very xenophobic - even if you are American. Because most Americans are welcoming as part of our culture. To be against that is not only wrong, it’s also very unfounded.
Have you ever actually been outside the US?
I’d argue they’ve ever never been inside it, or they live in some crazy, far-right city.
It’s the second largest multi-ethnic democracy on Earth.
It’s really not. Not to sound like I’m erasing racism in the US, but the reason you hear about it is because it’s tested and contested so much. It’s almost always way worse in more homogeneous nations.
Americans are so racist they don’t even realize how racist they are, and get mad when you point it out.
I don’t think you know what that word means.
Man no. Just… No.
He’s literally pushing through an anti-immigration bill, also we have always had a strong nativist movement
FFS. In a site where “news” = “stupid shit that happens in the US”, can something named “world news” exclude the US? Please? Does it need to be called “non US news”?
I know other countries are mentioned here. But it’s just the ramblings of dementia.
