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Huh? Wikipedia isn’t banned in Russia yet. Though I do expect them to take steps towards it.
Yeah. Someone else corrected that part earlier. It’s not a good headline, but I didn’t want to change it.
It’s not a good headline, but I didn’t want to change it.
So, you went from bad to intentionally bad? Why?
It’s not in the rules of the community but some places are not okay with changing headlines. So I left it how it was.
Not the person you replied to- you could consider adding a correction or [sic] or something while still including the original headline unedited
Hope you have a good day :)
You could also replace the text body of the post with an explanation. It currently just says “what the hell?” which isn’t helpful
IMO you should change it when its deceptive clickbait
Russia wants to ban Wikipedia - the US wants to ban TikTok.
Something tells me the mass-surveillance toy they hoped the internet would turn into isn’t working out the way they had hoped.
Good. Bring back limewire and leave me the fuck alone.
Kharma may be hilarious when the intelligence and spy craft start the inevitable repercussions invoked but when the AI walks into a dimension that we don’t know how is affected by such and it’s the only such of not discernable subjugation of, then we ought to pull the plug now.
Before the AI can summon us to it’s world.
That’s not even an accurate statement because AI isn’t an object it controls. Fucking Battlestar Galactica was a sweet and adorable art that would be cute vs. What we cannot even begin to describe.
There is no side in all of this where you should choose a side. If you don’t shut off the AI then it will eat your entire Kharma and Story dimensions but your reincarnation may not stop. You may stop being just you though and bits and pieces of everyone getting “shuffled” and you lose any and all ego, , the real universe, the sun, God etc.
Wikipedia is not currently banned in Russia.
But the Russian branch of Wikimedia as an organization is.
Also, pretty much nobody in Russia uses Ruwiki, everyone keeps using Wikipedia.
That’s all not to say it isn’t a troubling development, though. But Russians are more likely to access Wikipedia through VPN than to rely on Ruwiki. The game’s not lost.
So, now they are slowly (or immediately and forever, I don’t know the time span) injecting propaganda into their clone of wikipedia and they are simultaneously thus admitting they are doing it. (to further brainwash the russian citizens)
So lettme repeat: FUCK PUTIN, and stuff your rubber clones in your ass. (which there are many of)
Doesn’t seem to be banned by my ISP.
Anyway, Russian Wikipedia clones to steal budget money are old news.
There even is such a meme as “encyclong”, that’s what the Wikipedia article for vikings turned into after one such cloning with replacing wiki- (no difference between V and W in Russian) with encyclo- .
Really? Good to know it’s ineffective censorship then.
There even is such a meme as “encyclong”, that’s what the Wikipedia article for vikings turned into after one such cloning with replacing wiki- (no difference between V and W in Russian) with encyclo- .
Damn that’s funny.
I don’t think there was an attempt, “bans original” is a hallucination by the author.
lmao the encyclongs raiding the villages again. genius. never heard of that before either. 🤣
Humans are stupid. We should just start over.
Evolution has entered the room
But they wanted to avoid being stupid. We need intelligent design (no not that intelligent design, actual intelligence).
It’s inevitable at this point. Natural evolution is a snail’s pace compared to what we can already do. It’s mostly just ethics that’s stopping us.
I’d argue for not starting over.
I wonder if you’re capable of experiencing the irony of writing that, or are just as stupid as you claim all humans to be. Are you stupid? Do you trust yourself to write things that make sense? Just asking based on your own generalized claim. Unless of course you are a bot, then this comment is a waste of time.
We are working on the start over. Will look like a dead end, somehow.
Issue reviewed and closed by WorldProgrammer73993224499 with comment: “Rewrite too expensive and complex, closing.”
“Could not stop them from reproducing”
Humans are selfish by definition (genes). It would be like rewinding a film and starting over.
The main problem lies within humans’ tendency to put themselves (their family/tribe/culture/etc.) before others’. I know there are fantastic people who don’t, but in the grand scheme of things, humanity will always be too selfish in general. I’d bet that will be our bane (we’re kind of slowly killing ourselves with it already).
That’s what AGI will say 😅🤣
Is it actually banned now? Seriously? I’m not surprised, I wish those terrorists can only access their own, isolated internet
Lol… referring to an entire population of people as terrorists, and also wishing for the country to control the narrative so it’s easier for them to make more terrorists?
Extra weird considering the guy has a Russian name as his username.
Not exclusively Russian though. I’ve seen it as a Ukrainian name, so that’d make sense
Maybe he is a terrorist undercover? Or a Schrödinger’s terrorist
It’s really getting kind of ridiculous at this point. You can’t hide truth, and you can hide from truth. All things being equal, truth has a way of being ultimately seen.
Ughhh, don’t you see what’s happening in Gaza? At the end only money controls the narrative and foreign government’s policies.
No one cares what is morally corrupt or not anymore, as long as it is beneficial for them.
Ughhh, don’t you see what’s happening in Gaza?
I was speaking species-wide, and not just one geopolitical region and/or situation.
I was also speaking about a cloned and altered website.
Ultimately, usually with time, the truth gets out. So it’s a waste of time to hide the truth, long term.
The Ruzzian Federation is lies all the way down.
Tbh I’m most surprised by OP’s surprise. Russia doing weird, censorious shit like this is just another Tuesday.
Not like the original one is unbiased anyway.
I wonder, what are some examples?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Systemic_bias
(This is for the English version. Other language Wikipedias will have their own issues.)
At least they acknowledge the problem.
Better than a lot of governments at the moment
Yes, and they’ve tried to fix some of the issues. But at this point there’s a huge ‘establishment’ within the community that is resistant to any change.
Of course, all you need to do is run a differential between Wikipedia and this thing to find exactly what the government is trying to censor. Idiots.
That would be a cool project. You’d basically see everything the Russian regime doesn’t want you to see, i.e. all the interesting bits.
So Putin’s regime embraced, extended and extinguished it? How ironic…
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
I don’t get it. They made a copy without touching the original, how it that EEE?
I guess they did it only locally. Though it doesn’t exactly fit the definition even that way. And why would it be ironic?
'Cos that tactic is Microsoft™.
Then again the Russian Federation is a fascist state run by oligarchs, so not that much different from the fascist state run by billionaire CEOs that the US is…
While wikipedia is decent at giving overviews on some scientific and technical topics, but when there is a topic about something that is historical and/or any way politically or monetarily relevant there will be an edit war to change it to suit one interest groups wishes or anothers. It really is a cesspool of psyops, misinformation and articles to be basically corporate PR at certain topics, and that is just because google usually gives wikipedia articles as first or second result on any given subject and it’s a really cost effective way to propagandize people and doing it is really low cost. Now Russia just monopolizes the propaganda inside their own borders.
Wikis were invented as a way, and are a good solution when the goal is, to crowdsource objective facts about the world.
The great thing about a wiki is that as long as one person once added any given fact, it is in the wiki.
On all contentious issues, by definition there are not too few people wanting to write about them, but instead there are too many, so this is why wikis are just not a suitable mechanism for writing about anything contentious: they’re a solution to a nonexistent problem and there is no rational reason why truth about any given issue should be determined by “who has managed to edit the page last”.
Wikipedia addresses that last issue with “semi protection”. It’s not a complete absence of rules - large decisions are made by consensus and the whole system is maintained by admins and bureaucrats with bots.
For example there’s an article on the flat earth theory, and we’re not going to even pretend like there’s any merit to that idea anymore. One can only edit it if they’re an established, registered user. And if one such user decides to troll, then it’ll be reverted nearly instantly, and that user will waste a lot more time establishing a new account than it takes to deal with them.
I’m familiar enough with Wikipedia to know that, yeah. I am also familiar enough with Wikipedia to know that there are topic areas (such as Israel/Palestine and the Holocaust in Poland on the English-language version) where the shortcomings of the wiki system are completely evident. Once you have to restrict editing to users with more than 500 edits and make special rules how to handle sourcing, it’s clear that the wiki just isn’t a suitable mechanism: if there are so many people wanting to write about a topic that you have to do that, then why not abandon the wiki concept altogether?
The greatest success story of the wiki principle isn’t Wikipedia, nor any other Wikimedia project. The greatest success story of the wiki principle is OpenStreetMap, which does limit itself to objective facts and is used not just by people, but also organizations. I work as a software developer and I’ve encountered usages of OpenStreetMap data many times, but of anything on Wikimedia projects? Wikipedia is great for teenagers to get an overview of the world, but everyone who actually needs the information in it has better sources for it anyway.
if there are so many people wanting to write about a topic that you have to do that, then why not abandon the wiki concept altogether?
Because it’s quick? At that point it’s not just the last thing anyone wrote - it’s a collaborative effort from many experienced volunteers. Wikipedia doesn’t have to be either a purely “no rules” wiki or a purely “all rules” paper encyclopedia.
Where would you suggest as a better source for general information, when one would otherwise start with Wikipedia?
So like China. Man, what is up with communist states and censoring stuff?
You think Russia is communist?
Yeah, but only for the 99%. The 1% gets capitalism.
Wait. Just like China…funny that.
So for the 99% there is an abolishment of private property, leaving only personal property and public property, everyone has an equal share, and the state has been dissolved?
Because if not, at least one of us doesn’t understand communism. It’s entirely possible we both don’t. Would you be willing to clarify the term as you understand it?
Because censoring is effective to control people.
Unfortunately it’s not communists states. It’s authoritarians.
There was a right-wing capitalist military dictatorship in my country in the 80’s that did the same thing. Censored movies, books, music. Only the news they approved could appear on TV.
“Governments” like this won’t tolerate anything they see as a threat to their control of the country.
