An Israeli missile has hit Iran, two US officials have told the BBC’s US partner CBS News.
Iranian state media is reporting that flights have been suspended over several cities, according to Associated Press.
Iran has been on high alert after Israel said it would respond to an Iranian attack against it on Saturday night
William Spaniel released his analysis of the situation and next steps. He puts out some decent analysis.
Hey I watch that guy. Good taste.
This is important, pinning it for now.
Let’s keep the discussion here and not post it 14 more times.
You heard it folks, 13 more times is ok!
:P
don’t worry i’m sure the us and uk will come out as forcefully against this as they did against iran right?
Listen, Israel has a right to exist, and part of Israeli’s existence is firing missiles at its neighbors, so maybe back off and stop being anti-Semitic about this why dontcha?
This is too subtle for the internet, or at least I hope it is
don’t worry im gay so i roll advantage on sarcasm checks
Yeah most likely. The reaction to Iran’s strike was to underline that it was against military targets and that they wouldn’t assist Israel in striking back.
So as long as they don’t help Iran hit back against Israel, then yeah the reaction will be the same.
Fuck Netanyahu.
If he starts WW3 he can get fucked… though we should try and grant asylum to all current residents of Palestine and Isreal.
If he starts WW3 he can get fucked… though we should try and grant asylum to all current residents of Palestine and Isreal.
You can rest well that russian cunt Putin has already warmed up the engine for WW3
Team Rocket powered nuclear bomb will do it together.
Prepare for trouble, make it double.
He is a bloodthirsty idiot of the worst kind
Did Fallout release at the perfect time?
" I don’t want to set the world on fire, oh fuck it, yes I do." - Netanyahu
1997?
This is 53 years early according to the lore. Not sure if we can make it that long.
I think you mean 70 years late? That was definitely the 50s in the show.
No, the Great War in the Fallout universe happened in 2077. The 50s revival was just the fashion at that time.
Just like the 50s were a time when technological advances were spreading rapidly, the Great War happened during the time of technological breakthroughs like personal assistant robots and fusion power.
Irresponsible decision from Israel, the initial exchange seemed justified with no reason to escalate things.
It wasn’t justified by israel the first time either. Anyone with iq above room temperature knows Israel is doing all of this for a reason .
To drag the US into an Afghanistan-style quagmire conflict with Iran, something American evangelicals and far-right military gumbas have been chomping at the bit for since the Carter Administration?
We don’t want to go to war in the middle east. You are 100 percent right that some conservatives have been after that forever. Luckily I hope that as a nation we have grown past policing the world and being involved by sending troops. We can’t handle another war right now.
Conservatives? Who is president right now?
Did you read the comment I responded to?
Yeah far right evangelicals. Aka Joe Biden.
John Bolton literally has made this his life’s mission and has been working non-stop for it
Just gonna leave it at some mysterious Jewish plot without going into a rant about space lasers or whatever the popular conspiracy theories are these days?
Does this ramble have anything to do with what we are talking about?
You can’t fire 300 drones and ballistic missiles at a country and not expect a response back. It was so over the top they had to respond. The response is so mild I think we can all step back now
World War 3 just what we needed. Thanks Biden.
Down voters need to take a hike. Biden and Democrats (right along side the Republicans) have done nothing but enable and embolden Bibi’s genocide in Palestine, offering only lipservice and more aid for Israel while allowing Ukraine to flounder.
This is on Joe Biden. Not Trump. Deal with it you neoliberal & neoconservative apologists.
Black and white thinking much?
Projecting a fantasy about what US’s actual foreign policy is much?
Dumb much posting much?
Much much much much?
Downvoting an overly simplistic take should not be discouraged. I don’t think bothsidesarethesame is fair on Democrats who want support for Ukraine to go through.
Biden is the number on recipient of Israeli campaign contributions.
Bothsidesarethesame is actually the case here. Bidens throwing the election in because he refuses to budge on his foreign policy positions. He’s a neocon. Its like people apologizing for Biden have forgotten the previous 20 years of US history.
If Biden wants to be different, he actually has to be different.
He has supported Ukraine, unlike the previous president who wanted to give the country to Russia. How much difference should there be?
Ah yes, the apologists who insult that Biden needs to be supported blindly because the alternative is worse.
This is your war too, right along with Biden.
The alternative isn’t just worse, it could destroy American democracy, NATO and more. I don’t think you quite realize what’s at stake here.
Bruh, what you don’t seem to be fucking noticing, is that the extant option is doing all of the above.
Your blind support of Joe Biden is an endorsement of the ongoing genocide in Gaza, and signals approval of Israels widening of the conflict to include Iran and Syria.
Yesterday Biden vetoed Palestinines recognition by the UN. Not Trump. Biden.
Bid n is bad enough that Trump is a non factor at this point and you are arguing in favor of both genocide and a regional war in the middle east.
Your the one who don’t seem to realize what’s at stake.
Who have the Ukrainian military the first lethal weapons like the Javalin?
According to Catherine Croft, who served as Ukraine director at the U.S. National Security Council, Trump had viewed Ukraine as a corrupt country and believed it should pay for the weapons itself, Foreign Policy magazine reported in 2019.
As well, a condition was placed on the sale of the Javelin anti-tank missiles: They could only be stored in western Ukraine, away from the conflict, to be used as a deterrent.
Then, in 2019, Trump ordered a freeze on a $400-million package of military assistance to Ukraine that had been approved by Congress. The freeze came days before Trump’s phone call with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky, where he pressured the Ukrainian leader to investigate Joe Biden, a presidential front-runner at the time, and his son Hunter Biden. It was this request that led to Trump’s first impeachment.
The aid, though, was released on Sept. 11, only after a whistleblower’s complaint about Trump’s pressure on Ukraine had surfaced and a few days after Democrats in Congress opened the investigation.
Hm. Really sounds like support there eh.
According to Catherine Croft, who served as Ukraine director at the U.S. National Security Council, Trump had viewed Ukraine as a corrupt country and believed it should pay for the weapons itself, Foreign Policy magazine reported in 2019
The US governmenrment policy is ukraine is a corrupt country. That’s why Biden did what he did. Why Obama Wouldn’t sell weapons at all and why we’ve excluded many weapons to transfer.
That wasn’t unique to the Trump administration.
My dude the training and arming of Ukraine by NATO started happening before Trump came into office.
Trump tried blocking the Javelins in 2018. He wasn’t for it. He was convinced ultimately to follow longstanding US foreign policy that started before he got there.
Yes he approved it. 1 scenario where he got out of the way. Neat.
What’s his stance been since? And before?
Yes he approved it
Yes he did and Ukraine has not forgotten. While you try to gaslight, Ukraine has reminded people that Trump allowed them to defend themselves.
What has Trump said?
“As everyone agrees, Ukrainian Survival and Strength should be much more important to Europe than to us, but it is also important to us! GET MOVING EUROPE!”
Don’t worry. EU institutions without all the countries gave more than USA to Ukraine. If you additionally consider the small EU countries, it’s also a lot. So don’t worry. EU gives enormous support, even though USA is the largest donor as a single country.
Usually when I read “both sides are the same”, it’s a blue conservative like you trying to make people critical of the Democratic party seem unreasonable.
Both sides are capitalist and conservative, but there are differences for sure. Dont you want more differences?
If you wanna really shut up those people bitching from the sidelines, the best way to do so is to put them in the game! Force them to show us how to do things since it’s so easy and they have it all figured out.
Switching away from first past the post voting allows people to vote for who represents them best while still counting their vote against those they dont want to win. Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.
Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.
Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans prefer?
More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is represented by their choices in the voting booth. More people involved in the electoral process, more people engaged.
Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states? Electoral reform needs to be the number one priority for every democrat. No more waiting.
Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.
Please explain how Israel attacking Iran is Joe Biden’s fault? He said the United States would not support a retaliatory strike against Iran’s retaliatory strike. All the blame falls directly on Netanyahu and the Israeli government.
The US is Israel’s shield… Israel can only afford to be a belligerent bully bombing embassies because nobody wants to get involved in a war with the US. The US is enabling Israel’s worst behaviors.
You’re right. Before this protection, they tried several times to wipe Israel off the map.
Nope, they didn’t. Even the expression itself is the result of a deliberate mistranslation by pro-Israeli propagandists trying to bolster the completely bogus victim narrative of by far the most militarily powerful and active country in the region.
Hmm, Iran calls for it constantly. Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan tried several times. You can’t just pretend history didn’t happen.
Iran calls for it constantly
Do you have a credible source on that? Because propagandists keep claiming that without backing it up with actual evidence that they’re not just making up whatever fits their narrative
Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan tried several times.
None of them anywhere near successfully and none of them in this millennium.
You can’t just pretend history didn’t happen.
And you can’t just greatly exaggerate decades old events and pretend that they represent an imminent and existential threat.
I mean, you obviously CAN, since you just did, but you really shouldn’t.
Do you have a credible source on that? Because propagandists keep claiming that without backing it up with actual evidence that they’re not just making up whatever fits their narrative
Turns out Wikipedia has a great article on it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calls_for_the_destruction_of_Israel#:~:text=Ali Khamenei%2C Iran’s supreme leader,of Israel from the region”.
I recommend checking the sources to verify it yourself.
None of them anywhere near successfully and none of them in this millennium.
Of course they were not successful, otherwise they would have wiped Israel off the map like their intended goal was. Also, your claim of not in this millennium is disingenuous. There are still plenty people alive to thought in those wars on both sides.
And you can’t just greatly exaggerate decades old events and pretend that they represent an imminent and existential threat.
I> mean, you obviously CAN, since you just did, but you really shouldn’t.
I didn’t, that was you doing that. I was simply adding context to the person I was replying to.
I have no idea what this image means.
I’ll take a stab. The picture implies that the Durstley’s enabled the bullying of their son.
Implying that Genocide Joe is not responsible for his out of control attack dog he is actively supplying with weapons
You must be fucking confused if you think Netanyahu is Joe Biden’s “attack dog”. The Israeli government has spent the last 40+ years successfully coopting the United States government.
What do you think those shifty mother fuckers would be doing in an election year if he came out against them? I agree they need to he brought to heel, but if you think that is going to happen given the existing externalities of global & US politics then you are living in a fantasy.
“He has to support Genocide because israel controls US politics!”
Biden could just ban the israel lobby instead how about that.
Biden is not a dictator. “Ban the Israel lobby” - that’s not who this works or how anything works.
He’s failed utterly for 6 months to do anything to reign in Israel when their genocide is being funded by US taxpayers. He’s had 6 months to yank Netanyahu’s leash and he’s refused so the entire time.
This ENTIRE situation is a result of US foreign policy: Its a direct consequence of Bidens failure of leadership.
Keep drinking the Kool Aid
Bruh, the one blindly defending Biden here is you. You’re the one drinking the Kool Aid.
He said…
I think that is the point. So far Biden has apparently just said a bunch of words. Biden could actually do more than he is now. Instead, the genocide is continuing unabated, Israel continues to aggressively and wrecklessly escalate the regional tensions.
Come on genocide Joe, actually draw a red line and stick to it.
It’s like people forget that the Israel/Palestine conflict has been going on longer than the partial term that Biden has had.
Israel/Iran conflict as well. It’s just no longer through Iran’s proxies only.
He said the United States would not support a retaliatory strike against Iran’s retaliatory strike.
A retaliatory strike just happened. What’s Biden’s move?
No doubt a sternly-worded press release!
Concerned and disappointed.
Well, the Biden Administration did not support it in the sense that they din’t send their missiles along and no US launch infrastructure was used.
They never actually said they were against it much less they would punish Israel for it.
The use of a “we won’t help doing it” fromulation in a way that can be misinterpreted as “we’re against it” so that they can have plausible deniability later when it turns out they’re not really against it is pretty standard doublespeak from the US Administration.
He hasn’t done anything to stop Netanyahu when he has a position of unique leverage. In fact he keeps rewarding this behavior with more weapons and fighter jets.
Netanyahu takes most of the blame for being the guy but Biden has had a 100 chances in the last few months to pressure him to stop. Instead we’re shoveling more coal into the fire.
The mouth breather can’t explain anything. I’m sure Newsmax and Alex Jones told him all problems on Earth are Biden/The Democrats fault….
Iran shot down 100% of them. Israel so pathetic. More pathetic than Israel’s 99% claim.
Crazy how you guys switch sides so quickly and suddenly Iran is the good guy to you. A decade ago you wanted them nuked
Crazy how you guys switch sides so quickly
Which guys are you talking about?
Westerners. In my lifetime my people have gone from the enemy to, to the friend you bring to parties to prove you’re not racist, to the enemy again, to the friend, and so on. At least atone before moving on and patting myself on the back
Who are your people?
I rather let you guess, since you have so so many choices lol
The lack of context makes it impossible to continue the conversation effectively.
Oh FFS. This had better be an extremely limited response to Iran’s response to Israel’s bombing of an embassy. Here’s hoping it’s just the same type of symbolic attack that Iran made last weekend - all show and no intent. Just Israel refusing to let anyone else have the last word.
Anything more serious and things are about to become very messy and even more expensive. Although it would explain why Israel is suddenly arranging to get dozens of jets from the US in the last month or so. Lord knows they don’t seem necessary if the only goal is to keep blowing up Palestinians.
Measured retaliation leads to measured retaliation leads to measured retaliation…
It’s fucking hard but Isreal suffered minimally from Iran’s bullshit aggression - Netanyahu could “be the bigger man” without losing any face.
Real leaders - real manly men - real strong people of any stripe - those are the people who have the strength to forgive and compromise.
“Iran’s aggression”
Another day another banger from sh.itjust.works
Iran was aggressive in their retaliation - how the fuck else would you describe launching rockets into another country?
Whether that retaliation was justified is separate from the fact that it was aggressive.
It killed 0 unlike the Israeli attack. Pls zip it back up after you are done.
Au contraire, it was defense and very mild at that. If Israel can kill 40,000+ people because “wE hAvE a rIgHt tO dEfEnD oUrSeLvEs” Iran absolutely can volley some missiles in response to Zionist actions
Neither is justified.
No, it is extremely justified to respond to an attack on an embassy
It’s also extremely justified to respond to someone launching missiles at you. Are you really that much of an idiot that you can’t see how this ends or are you just arguing in bad faith?
Israel bombed their embassy first, full stop. What are you on about? Iran had a right to defend itself.
Bibi, who has never shown a modicum of restraint when there’s potential for bloodshed, isn’t going to change course until the US forces him to by withholding funding. Considering how Zionist Biden and 2/3 of Congress are, that ain’t happening, so buckle up for some real shit “leadership,” Jack.
Was that first? The embassy bombing was certainly before Iran’s counter attack but if you’re searching for justification then it’s not like Iran and Isreal were buddies before this. Iran has repeatedly funded Hezbollah launching rockets into Isreal and funded the Houthi rebels attacking shipping.
My point was that constantly retaliating is an unhealthy cycle and your take away was that “But actually it’s okay if it’s in retaliation.” Wut.
And Bibi funded Hamas, his (now realized) end-goal being to destabilize the region and provide cover for further Israeli violence and land grabs from the indigenous people.
I agree with you on tit-for-tat bringing about undesirable results, but you lost me on “Iran’s bullshit aggression.” Israel is 6mo+ in all-out genocidal warfare on innocent Palestinian civilians, and still maintains this stems from their “right to defend themselves.” Iran on the other hand exercised immense restraint, coordinated with western powers, and executed a highly telegraphed counter-offensive focused exclusively on military targets in Israel as an overly nice way to say “please don’t bomb our stuff.” In this way I think Iran’s counter-attack was in fact beyond justified. Unless you meant it was bullshit in that it was entirely orchestrated, but I doubt that was your intent.
Netenyahu, being the absolute child that he is, had to strike again anyway. This is in fact unjustified and unprovoked, but to use your own terminology it appears Iran will be the “bigger man” and doesn’t plan on further hostile action. Again highly coordinated with the west, in order to walk on eggshells around the unhinged Israeli government.
The fact of the matter is this: Bibi is a far-right war mongering zealot who needs to be deposed immediately. The US is despicable for providing him cover the way they have. Despite who’s in charge in Israel, they at least offer their citizens basic social safety nets like universal healthcare and paid family leave. America doesn’t have these things, yet it can afford to send Israel 10s of billions to continue murdering brown children?! Israel are warmongers, and America is shameful for backing them.
Bombing consulates and embassies is a nazi move.
Although it would explain why Israel is suddenly arranging to get dozens of jets from the US in the last month or so.
Forgive what feels like a nitpick, but we should take a moment for wider historical scorn. WaPo at the end of March:
Last week, the State Department authorized the transfer of 25 F-35A fighter jets and engines worth roughly $2.5 billion, U.S. officials said. The case was approved by Congress in 2008, so the department was not required to provide a new notification to lawmakers.
Biden owns the fuckup, but it comes after all the shit Israel put the administrations of Dubya, Obama, and Individual 1 through, and after all the atrocities upon the Great March of Return and the other surges of conflict. The planes could fill another allies’ order, the MIC could get their warbucks, and Joey could have kicked the can down the road, but here we are.
That’s a fair point, no need to apologize for keeping me accurate. I had read and forgotten that detail honestly, because in my head I lump the two deals together - the other one being the new $18 billion contract for F-15s that Biden’s administration is seeking approval for currently. I think I mentally shorthand it to “arrangements for new jets going to Israel” but there is definitely detail involved as you point out.
why the fuck do they have f-35s?
the Americans aren’t even giving peripheral NATO countries f-35’s, are they?
why the fuck are they getting f-35’s?
even RPing as an american imperialist, I cannot think of a reason other than ‘for the evulz’.
ugh that makes sense.
is… is Donald trump the less apocalyptic option?
Damn. 80 year old man was not the easy fight i thought it was gonna be.
Immediate nonexistance after a happy life.
I pick marijuana
I choose Ranked Choice voting
Suffocated by tits
Best we can do is this
is… is Donald trump the less apocalyptic option?
are you serious?
that’s why I’m fucking shocked. all biden has to do is just fucking… well at this point he needs to glass the shit hole, but all he had to do last month was stop.
Yes, the US nuking Israel would definitely be less apocalyptic…
What do you mean by “peripheral” NATO countries? If you mean NATO countries other than the US, then I can inform you that some do have F-35 jets.
feel like youre missing the point here, maybe kind of on purpose.
You did ask a question that I attempted to answer… That does not entail in any way that I did not understand the other stuff you wrote nor that I dismissed it.
no? like I know France helped design the thing, so obviously they’re getting them, but I know Poland and turkey dont have them yet, and I dont think they’re going to soon.
the point is theyre not going to the people who serve amrrica’s military interests.
Poland waiting has little to do with politics and more to do with when contracts were signed. They only signed in 2020.
Turkey is trying to develop their own 5th generation fighter after getting kicked out of the f35 program due to being a leaky sieve sending data to the Russians. That’s on them.
By and large, the wait elsewhere is mostly to do with the bad reputation the program got before it was operational. Now that it’s all in the past and it’s proving to be an excellent fighter, contracts with allies are coming in faster than they can be produced. That’s the price of waiting.
It’s certainly not 300 drones and rockets.
Although it would explain why Israel is suddenly arranging to get dozens of jets from the US in the last month or so
That’s just a quid pro quo kickback between the corporatocracy.
“We’ll channel more tax payer money through your military industrial complex if you let us continue with our nationalist ethnostate genocide… We may even start another gulf war and channel trillion$ more”
It would have been nice if this world wasn’t run by fucking children.
Epstein already proved that and allegedly a Mossad agent. How much blackmail does Bibi have on Biden?
Biden expressed his love for israel way before Netanyahu was a political candidate.
True dat… Biden, “I’m a Zionist,” knows his place.
literally every anarchist has been saying this for centuries.
whatever your politics, welcome to team ‘at least some of the people in the room should be adults, we have nukes floating around ffs’
Great, like that the world, nukes included, would be ruled by the strongest, which often aren’t the brightest of us.
youre thinking of ancaps.
That’s not something I know about, mind putting me in the loop?
In any case, I was sarcastic if that wasn’t obvious. There is good people among anarchists, as well as among those who aren’t. But not having rules make it way easier for the bad apples to get their way with it, as with them it requires a lot more investment and careful planing to break them.
Anarchism, like most other social organisation theory, isn’t immune to mass manipulation, coercion, or similar techniques used by the few to impose their view and interest to the broader masses.
As far as I understand, Anarchism doesn’t mean no rules, it means no rulers. No hierarchy of people.
The rules would be set up in such a way to actively discourage individual accumulation of power as much as possible. But a system like that could still have rules, just enforced collectively instead of power being parceled out to individuals. I think there are a lot of practical ways you can try to reduce power accumulation, like term limits is a very obvious example that is a concept we are familiar with. Or like ways of reducing wealth inequality can also be seen as a way of trying to reduce hierarchy.
I don’t know all the theory, I honestly feel like that kinda shit isn’t always the most useful anyways. But there are obvious things we can do now to reduce hierarchy and they seem like things that would be good. Having an ideological stance that hierarchy is bad, and we should reduce it as much as possible… that’s Anarchism.
The rules would be set up in such a way to actively discourage individual accumulation of power as much as possible.
When the state nextdoor rolls in with tanks, aircraft, and warships, how do you push them back? Is the ‘collective enforcement’ armed with such weapons as well, trains together, and has a solid command structure to coordinate and fight back the invader? How do you organize the command structure of your military defense force such that it fits within the ‘collective enforcement’ model, without instantly devolving into a free for all?
first off, rigidly vertical command structures basically always lose to structures with more devolved authority. its a pattern borne out by 20th century warfare. this isn’t some fringe anarchist theory; you’ll learn this in a military academy. theres math behind why this works.
second: organized ≠ hierarchal. just because you can’t imagine what this would look like doesn’t mean there aren’t volumes and volumes about it, and history going back to at least the ancient world in a military context.
third: aside from extermination, which tends to put people opposing you on the same page; try a military occupation of a population with as many guns and as rough terrain as the american empire. it can’t be done. sure, maybe you take DC, but no way in hell do you hold Appalachia or Chicago, if you even penetrate in the first place. even Florida or Los Angeles would be a blood bath for any would-be occupier. it literally can’t be done. if you think otherwise, you’re missing multiple entire categories of things about how wars and armies work. if you doubt this, ask why Afghanistan and Vietnam aren’t us colonies right now.
Probably you do what they did in Afghanistan and use IEDs
what exactly is this argument you’re making? would it not apply to switching to democracy? would it not apply to moving towards liberalism? how come when it comes to going further left suddenly “no system is perfect” arguments come out as if better needs to be perfect
Anarchy is not not having rules, it’s not having rulers.
Think democracy of the purest form. Not elected (and bribed corrupt) representatives who pay themselves from our pockets to push their own agendas.
therefore you must put the few in charge without contest? compromise with tyrants? edit: except forgetting to negotiate for yourself, and being all in on team tyrant?
sorry I dont mean to sound rude, its just it always sounds like a christian standing up in the pews, proclaiming that the pastor is being corrupted by the devil, and declaring that he’s done with this blasphemous church, and he’s starting his own church (of the devil. but not in like the cool way, because he’s a christian)
it just sounds like an excuse to not try. and its not like there aren’t measures to take; forms of organization, social leveling conventions, etc.
whatever your politics, welcome to team
Nothing an old anarchist hates more than a new anarchist. They ruined anarchism, I tell you!
The world would be a lot better off of it was, actually.
Demented sociopathic children. Normal children would do a better job.
Israel is doing its part by killing them all.
So, are they going back to opposing the invasion of Rafah, then?
You know, seeing as how Israel just got concessions for promising not to do a thing, then immediately went and did the thing regardless.
Or does Biden just have a humilation fetish? Which fine, no kink-shaming here but maybe keep it in the bedroom.
I have to admit, the phrase ‘lifestyle democrat’ has a nice ring to it…
Iran & Israel, can you not? Each time you shoot those stupid rockets at each other, my stocks fall.
Invest in bombs
yeah, and military companies
Wait.
So, in response to the 300 weapon systems that US/Israel roughly blocked all of. (1 casualty from defensive shrapnel)
In turn Israel launched 1 missile, and it hit?
Ooof.
In response? What response? Did you forget israel assasinating top generals in an embassy
History is starting on April 13 lmao.
Pray tell me why they targeted these specific generals.
Cause Idf are nazis
Sounds like drones as well according to BBC.
Drones we most likely for targeting and damage assessment
Who would win; tens of billions of dollars worth of US-built air defence systems, or whatever surplus scrap the Chinese or Russians have flogged to Iran recently
that US/Israel roughly blocked
Israel, the US, the UK, Jordan, and Egypt. Israel didn’t do it on their own.
ive been saying it for a long time, but you make a choice every day: do you want the possibility of world peace, or do you want to draw ‘protocols of the elders of zion’ fanfic on your maps.
and I guess they’re just hungry for fanfic.
Based on US and EU reports, Israel intercepted very few of them. The US alone claimed more than half, and the EU+Jordan was another roughly 25%
I’d be careful about considering Israel’s defense as a complete success, or at least an easy one. According to Israeli sources cited in this article, achieving that result cost Israel as much as $1-1.3 billion USD, and I can’t find out if that includes the price of interception by other countries - a lot of the heavy lifting was done by the USA after all. Given that they say that’s the cost for Israel specifically, I don’t think it does but I can’t find sources. Regardless, it’s a big bill for an attack that everyone knew was coming days in advance and gives a sense of the economics involved in an open war several times more intense.
It was costly, but the relative cost to Iran to launch the attack was far larger.
Source? Because the articles I can find such as this one from Reuters say very much the opposite: “Although Israeli officials have given no details, according to calculations by a number of analysts, the price of Iran’s attack probably amounted to $80 million to $100 million — but cost Israel and its allies around $1 billion to repel.”
Here’s another analysis: “Experts have calculated the cost of the April 13 attack for Iran at $100-$200 million — perhaps five to ten times less than what Israel spent to repel it. That means a huge recurring bill if Iran were to keep attacking.” They go through the math of it and cite specific weapon systems costs.
I’ll wait to see if you can back up your assertion, but I’m quite skeptical at time of writing.
Key word relative. The US did the vast majority of the heavy lifting. $1B is 0.0625% of the US military budget. $100M is 0.4% of Iran’s, nearly an order of magnitude more costly relatively, more than one if it’s on the high side.
That would only be a fair comparison if the US was willing to devote it’s entire military budget to these actions the way Iran can. It would also assume that the US can (and is willing to) spend 1 billion dollars + costs required with overseas operations every time Iran spends 100M on missiles. Iran broke the top 15 for military spending a few years ago so they’re going to have decent capabilities when it comes to being a pain.
It also ignores the cost of dealing with Iranian proxies like Hezbollah and the Houthi, which has Pentagon officials worried as detailed in this article “A $2M missile vs. a $2,000 drone: Pentagon worried over cost of Houthi attacks.”. I’m definitely not cheering for Iran, but I don’t think your total budget vs. total budget comparison is true to the actual economics of a US defense of Israel in the case of sustained attacks. Or even relative cost given that the US has it’s budget spread across many more pursuits than this region.
To add to that, every commitment to defending Israel while it is provoking and escalating things in the region, means less resources to Ukraine. So if the western European countries are committing more to helping Israel in its bullshit, that shifts the power balance in Europe more in Putins favor.
So it is not only about the relative cost to cost and relative cost to economy/budget but also relative from budget to budget.
It’s also incredibly significant for future missile attack that all their radars turned on and all those intercept assets are revealed and clocked and analyzed. Assuming a video going around portrays what it claims, Hezbollah even zeroed in and missiled an Iron Dome launcher site during the attack.
Counterbattery in general is fucking hard. If the proxy can pull that shit off, you had better expect the state actor to take even greater advantage.
Iran also gave notice of their attacks.
it’s a complete success compared to Iran’s defensive measures
How so? I’m honestly asking if you have a source. As of the most recent updates, Iran is reporting no damage, no threats, and has lifted the restrictions on flights in their airspace. There were explosions heard, but the source is unknown and Iran has said air defenses shot down 3 drones.
The US just gave approval for more Genocide, another assault on millions of starving refugees that are mostly children, only for Israel to break their one concession in mere hours… Luckily no casualties are reported, hopefully this doesn’t escalate.
These posts always focus on how USA are the bad guys for support Israel, but I wonder how popular this war is in Israel. Do the Israeli people support what Netanyahu is doing?
IDI are vocal in their criticism of Netanyahu, but their statistical methods tend to hold up. They answer your question pretty succinctly:
We found that a very large majority of the total sample (89%) think that Hamas bears a great deal of responsibility for the suffering of Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.
And also:
we asked: “Given the current circumstances, is Israel’s leadership is doing its utmost to secure the release of the hostages?” We found that slightly more than half of the Jewish respondents think or are certain that the leadership is doing all it can to bring the hostages home. Only a small minority of Arab respondents concur.
They support the Genocide of Palesitnians, but attacking Iran had a majority opposition. Because Iran can shoot back.
