Should be worth negative $. It doesn’t make any money and has no way to make a positive cash flow legally.
I’m sure it’s worth whatever the server hardware sells for second hand.
Much less. The company has like $60m in debts and $3m in assets and lost $56m last year. You need to find a way for the company to make enough to pay off its debts before becomes worth anything.
$1.73
Yeah crazy that it’s still worth $2.1 billion. But, there’s always tomorrow.
“Worth” is a stretch. That’s a fully unrealized sum of money that will continue to shrink as shares are sold
The Schadenfreude is strong in these threads, but the simple fact of the matter is, Trump is going to sell in six months, or sooner if the board decides he can, which they will, and come out of this with Billions. The suckers, and the “institutional(read:foreign) investors” are going to make sure this stock stays propped up specifically so Trump can get paid out. This is what’s happening, it’s what’s going to happen. The only solace to take from this, is it’s possible, though not probable by that time, Trump could be in prison (though that too is incredibly unlikely as even if he’s found guilty of the what is it 37 felony counts in the NY hush money trial starting today, SCOTUS is yet to weigh in, and his appeals will almost assuredly allow him to run out the clock of his mortal coil)
The stock thing though, that’s a guaranteed winner for Trump, even if it falls to single digits
I don’t know if he’ll make it to the 6 month cliff, but he may be able to leverage the shares sooner without selling.
Nope. Unless the lockup is waived or modified by the board, Trump cannot “lend, offer, pledge, hypothecate, encumber, donate, assign, sell, contract to sell … or otherwise transfer or dispose of” his shares (this language is well-tested boilerplate for any lockup agreement). In case it’s not clear, that covers using them to get a leveraged loan.
Far more likely is the board simply waives the lockup which frees him to do whatever he wants, in which case my bet is he just sells off some or all of his stake 'cuz who gives a shit if one of his cult members catches the falling knife.
I’m fine with his cult members catching falling knives, but I’d rather he be forced to take the L along with them. The can all hang out together in El Salvador.
The lender would have to be a moron to offer that loan.
That or the “lender” doesn’t consider it so much as a ‘loan’ but rather as a ‘payment’.
Thinking Saudis or Kuwait, or whoever wants to buy and own Trump.
Gotta remember, a presidential candidate is for sale right now. Not that he wasn’t bought before.
Turns out Forbes was probably right when they called it 3 days ago with their article “Sell Trump Media Stock (DJT) Now - An Implosion Is Likely”. A few of their many criticisms:
- Still-open new million-share spigot from the convertible securities and contracts that are converting
- Highly diluting “bonus” 40M share issuance if the stock can remain above $17.50 for 20 of 30 days. (Counting the March 26 merger day, the number on April 12 would be 18.)
- “Do not wait. These storm clouds are not going to dissipate.” and “This teetering tower of negative issues is a perfect reason for a mass shareholder exodus.”
The point was only ever to funnel money into Trump’s pockets. A lot of people lost some, some lost a lot, but it was a successful operation to get that bastard some financial relief.
Not yet. As part of the IPO, he can’t sell stock for 6 months. It being high at any point before that does nothing for him.
Unless the board (conveniently filled with his flunkies) votes to let him sell sooner. It seems like the best time to do that would have been a couple days after the IPO.
And nothing stops the company from using the ipo money to buy back shares, artificially creating demand exactly at the time Trump dumps his shares. If it’s anything like every other Trump venture the only goal is to funnel money to Trump.
The filing also includes all the shares held by the former president. Trump, however, remains under a “lockup” deal that largely restricts him from selling his shares for another roughly five months. His son, Donald Trump Jr., who is a director on the board, and CEO Devin Nunes, are also bound by the lockup.
The stock plunge has erased billions from Trump’s stake — at least on paper. The shares soared when they began trading on March 26, giving Trump’s 57% ownership position a value of $6.25 billion. But after DJT’s recent slump, that stake is worth $2.1 billion, representing a paper loss of $4.15 billion.
People keep saying trump wasn’t prevented from selling for 6 months, and I have no idea why.
But this is why I was happy it started trading so high. trump was/is pushing supporters to buy shares as a way of donating. But those people are throwing their money away and it’ll still crash before trump can sell. He’s not just losing profit, he losing donations too.
Plus this way trump has to spend 6 months watching something literally trading under his name (djt) constantly hemorage money and there’s not a damn thing he can do about it.
When he saw that 6 billion number, he immediately considered it “his money” so even if he makes a couple hundred million selling his whole stake in this; it’s going to feel like he’s lost billions to him.
And hopefully the DJT stock lumps on without him for years as a shitty penny stock
People keep saying trump wasn’t prevented from selling for 6 months, and I have no idea why.
So, yes, he’s currently subject to a lockup agreement. But, the board can always waive that agreement, and given the board is made up of Trump acolytes, there’s no reason to take it too seriously (yes, if they did that, it could be subject to a shareholder lawsuit if a sale resulted in a plunge in the share price, based on the claim that the board was failing in its fiduciary duty, but by the time any such trial made its way through the courts, it probably wouldn’t matter).
His son, Donald Trump Jr., who is a director on the board, and CEO Devin Nunes, are also bound by the lockup.
Who exactly do you think can waive it?
The board can vote to waive it. That’s… how boards work. They could vote to waive Junior’s and Nunes’ lockups, too, if they wanted to. The only recourse shareholders would have is a lawsuit.
Edit: And if you don’t want to believe me, maybe you’ll believe a professional financial writer:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-19/banks-can-get-emissions-off-the-books
Also, Trump’s shares are subject to a lockup agreement, so he’s not allowed to “lend, offer, pledge, hypothecate, encumber, donate, assign, sell, contract to sell … or otherwise transfer or dispose of” his shares for six months, which presumably covers using them as collateral for a loan (or appeals bond). But the agreement is between Trump and DWAC, and DWAC could just waive it. It is not best practices or anything, as a capital markets matter, to waive the lockup an hour after the merger, but I think it is possible. Ordinarily you don’t do it because shareholders will be mad about additional shares flooding the market, but (1) if he just pledges his shares to a bank, they won’t flood the market, and (2) the shareholders are presumably Trump fans and will be happy to help him fund his legal bills. Probably the stock would go up if they gave him a limited waiver for this.
Edit 2: This, by the way, is why folks are so critical of the Tesla board and why Elon’s recent pay package was rescinded by a judge, who determined the board did not act in the best interests of the shareholders by approving that package; rather, they concluded the board was too close to, and too beholden to, Elon to be able to effectively negotiate that package.
Boards are basically the last line of defense when it comes to things like pay packages and so forth, but that doesn’t stop shenanigans from happening, hence shareholder lawsuits, which are basically the final recourse for shareholders to hold boards to account.
4d chess would be trump placing shorts before they even went public.
Shorting before the merger wouldn’t have made any sense: the stock price went from around $17.50 to over $50 within the first week of trading and probably won’t come back to earth for a while. Meanwhile borrowing costs, after that initial spike when the stock was at its highest, were astronomical, so it wasn’t economical to do it right after, either.
The real 4D chess would be to get that lockup waived, short the stock now (borrowing costs have since fallen back to earth), sell your shares, then close out the short after the price drops (sure, you run the risk that the SEC goes after you for stock manipulation, but I doubt Trump cares).
won’t come back to earth? it’s trading at 22.93 at this moment and was around 60 at the beginning of April…seems like it deorbited fairly fast to me
Yeah but to make any real money on a short position taken prior to listing, the stock would have to drop well below that $17 price. Will that happen? Maybe. But I personally wouldn’t bank on it. My bet is that pre-listing price will be a bit of a floor since so many retail meme stock types got in on that price pre-merger and won’t want to get out.
oh man, I respectfully disagree. I think they will add more stock further diluting the price and it will crater. that’s why puts are so expensive right now
Once it’s crashed, what’s to keep someone from buying a controlling stake in the company and pivoting to something Trump would despise? Some philanthropic organization for poor non-white people. Or just the eff/aclu but for rape
The problem becomes buying shares means giving Trump money he didn’t earn.
Not if bought on the open market already.
The company only receives money on IPO. after that, shares the trade private hands only profit the owner of the share.
still, wouldn’t want to give any of these people money for their shares. let them ride them to 0 and trump media shuts down.
Trump is enough of a control freak I’m sure he retained 51% so he stays in control no matter who buys the rest of the shares, so a hostile takeover is unlikely. But man would it be hilarious to use it to the benefit of something he hates, like helping migrants get citizenship.
But is he even smart enough to ensure that he maintains 51%. If his past performance of…we’ll, literally anything he’s done, is any indication, he’s probably left himself open to losing majority stake.
