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    I don’t think even replacing Biden would get the anti-genocide people to vote for him; If Biden doesn’t end all support for Israel, no promise to do so by a dem-backed candidate is going to be taken seriously.

    Trying to pressure the DNC to replace Biden makes more sense than trying to shame voters, but it’s still less effective than pressuring Biden to end the genocide.

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      I would vote for someone other than Biden as long as they didn’t take AIPAC money. If they actually replaced him at the convention it would be a material acknowledgement that this kind of insane support for Israel is politically unviable going forward in the Democratic party.

      I’d also consider voting Biden if Hakeem Jeffries banned Dems from taking AIPAC money, similarly to how Dems banned taking NRA money back in the day once the NRA started trying to play both sides against eachother.

      It would also help if the Dem establishment raised a finger to defend progressive members when AIPAC raised millions to unseat them (even if it meant putting a Republican in their seat).

      There’s a lot that Dems could do to bring people back to the table, but the complete lack of any kind of real action is basically a repeated slap in the face to the non-genocide supporting wing of the party. What people don’t want is “meetings with the community” and “private phone calls to Bibi expressing my stern disappointment”. People have been clear to Biden what he needs to do, there’s nothing to discuss or negotiate about.

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    So, you want us to overturn the results of the voting just because you don’t like the guy we voted for?

    Hm. Funny.

    I’ll remind everyone, dems actually believe in democracy.

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    So, just to clarify, should we only be posting right wing anti-democracy articles in this community now? Or is it just this one post?

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    …Three major vulnerabilities have crested the Biden reelection horizon: A new, improved and highly focused Trump campaign; the populist independent campaign of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.; and possibly the greatest threat to Biden’s reelection chances — he has become radioactive to the far-left wing of his party.

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    “Far left”

    ✔️Foster an image of an equally radical group

    By:

    Douglas MacKinnon, a political and communications consultant, was a writer in the White House for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, and former special assistant for policy and communications at the Pentagon during the last three years of the Bush administration.

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    This article was written by Douglas Mackinnon. A political consultant who has written for multiple publications including Fox News. Here’s a quick list of article headlines he’s written there: “Latest wave of wokeness to hit west point reveals one simple solution”, “Woke left will erase american history unless we stop them”, “A ‘Star Wars’ story: How can I get a job as a woke ‘activist’?”, “We must speak to save our founding fathers from the woke left”, “Bidens nasa launches new mission to planet woke”, and “Moms for liberty shows spirit that would make the founding fathers proud”.

    If these article headlines haven’t made it obvious, this man is not worth paying attention to. Talk about biden being a bad candidate all you want but don’t use pieces of shit who are focused on “wokeness” to hide their idiocy and bigotry.

    Also, biden is not going to be replaced at the convention. Not gonna happen. But if you’re putting forward the idea of it happening, you better bring with it an idea of who should replace him.

    This article is shit, return2ozma, you can do better.

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      The only way Biden (or Trump, for that matter) will be replaced at their conventions will be if God exercises His Ultimate Veto on either one of them.

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      I mean it’s too easy now. Anything critical at all about Biden brings out Blue MAGA to defend Biden. Read it, downvote it if you hate it. It’s all interaction and discussion. Enjoy.

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        No, not “anything critical”. Just the outright bullshit.

        I think the problem is the reverse, you actually like everything critical, regardless of its quality. Even the outright propaganda, so long as it attacks Biden, you seem inclined to view it favorably.

        Any side can make bullshit, and the bullshit you like is no better than the bullshit you don’t like. This is what people mean when they say you can do better. Start trying to see through the bullshit of the things you like, too.

        For instance, I like Biden alright, but if someone were to criticize his support for Israel, or not supporting Ukraine more while he had the chance, I could agree with that. It’s not about sides, it’s about the fairness of the proposal. Unless you just want to be an extremist, that thinks nothing really matters so long as you get your way.

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          I’ve said it many times on here… I don’t like Biden. I don’t support Biden. I don’t support genocide. Fortunately for you, I’m in California so me voting third party doesn’t affect him.

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            I’m not asking you to like Biden. I’m asking you to try to care about which criticisms against him make sense, and which do not make any sense, so you can post the ones that do make sense.

            This will improve not just the country, but Lemmy.

            Just because you do not like Biden, and someone else also does not like Biden, does not mean everything they say is worth something. Especially when they’re just arguing for ignoring the will of the voters of our country.

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        Now this is some serious BS here. “Blue MAGA?” Nonsense.

        You’re being called out for posting biased bullshit pushed by a Team Red operative. Team Red is counting on people like you to push the bullshit narrative that Biden needs to be kicked out of the party to convince just enough of us to stay home or vote Third Party in November so that Team Pepe can steal the fucking election and run roughshod over Gays, Minorities, Transgender people, and yes, even Palestinians and other Muslims on a level that would make fucking Netanyahu blush, and they count on useful idiots on our side of the political aisle to eat up the bullshit they’re generating to make that happen. I’m here to point out that your post is chock full of bullshitium provided to you by actual MAGA, and I’m not the only one here to point that bullshitium out.

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        “Blue MAGA” - what does that even mean? MAGA isn’t even a cogent ideology, it’s a fawning cult of personality acting in lockstep and built up around a single man – in what way is there any equivalent on the left? Ask twelve liberals for an opinion on something and you’ll get fifteen different answers.