• masquenox@lemmy.world
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    The governments of the world are run by sociopaths.

    They’ve always been run by these kinds of people. Which means this…

    The idea of democratic/federal/republican governance is not inherently evil.

    …cannot be true, can it? After all, these kinds of people created “democratic/federal/republican governance” exactly for this purpose, didn’t they?

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      8 months ago

      They’ve always been run by these kinds of people.

      No. Not always.

      After all, these kinds of people created “democratic/federal/republican governance” exactly for this purpose, didn’t they?

      Exclusively sociopathic people didn’t conceive of the idea of democratic/federal/republican governance, or put another way, governance with distributed authority and consent of the governed.

      I don’t know what you’re trying to say, but, all I have is a general sense of “Wtf are you talking about?”.

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        No. Not always.

        I’m afraid the answer is yes. Pick any of these (alleged) “Great Men” who (supposedly) “represented” us in the past and I’ll point out how they pushed us to the disasterous conditions we are facing today.

        Exclusively sociopathic people didn’t conceive of the idea of democratic/federal/republican governance,

        Take the US as an example of how it’s (supposedly) “democratic” system of governance was designed from the ground up to be decidedly anti-democratic. If you want to see capitalists and fascists glorify this fundamental aspect of US history, click here. This should not surprise you - being anti-democratic is about as right-wing as it gets.

        The idea of democracy itself, and it’s embrace by masses of people long, long before the ancient Greeks gave it a name is not the result of this malady you speak of - but the powerful elites that co-opted it certainly was and still are.

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      8 months ago

      The Greeks created democracy, though. They were the first to think of a government where the people have a say in the managers of their affairs and resources. Would you really say the ancient Greeks were sociopaths?

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        The Greeks created democracy, though

        No, they didn’t. The Greeks just argued about it a lot, wrote those arguments down and invented a term for it - a term we still use. The idea that people should have power over their own affairs is as old as human civilization itself - if it wasn’t, kings and emperors wouldn’t have had to invent all those creative methods of terrorizing people into submission, would they?

        Would you really say the ancient Greeks were sociopaths?

        People in ancient Greece weren’t a monolith.