• Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      Yeah Nazis are a problem in pretty much all subcultures. Industrial, punk, goth, and so on. Subcultures attract people who don’t feel like they have a place, and this is the group extremist groups target.

      • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 months ago

        Yeah Nazis are a problem in pretty much all subcultures

        I don’t know if I agree with that; well, I agree they’re always a problem, but if you’re a Jazz or Blues fan for example, I imagine there aren’t the same issues we have in Metal.

        • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world
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          6 months ago

          They get the other side of the coin. Friend of mine has played harmonica for a long time, has played with/been in numerous blues bands. You will find a lot of heavily anti-white, black nationalism. Like the “we need to exterminate all white people for any chance at peace and prosperity” types.

          • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            6 months ago

            Last I checked, yes here it is:

            As an ideology, black nationalism encompasses a diverse range of beliefs which have variously included forms of economic, political and cultural nationalism, or pan-nationalism.[9][7] It often overlaps with, but is distinguished from, similar concepts and movements such as Pan-Africanism, Ethiopianism, the back-to-Africa movement, Afrocentrism, Black Zionism, and Garveyism.[5] Critics of black nationalism say it promotes racial and ethnic nationalism, separatism and black supremacy, and they compare it to white nationalism and white supremacy. However, the Southern Poverty Law Center says that black nationalist groups exist in a “categorically different” environment than white nationalists in the United States.

            I’m white, my dad (also white) played blues guitar, and I’ve never run into anything remotely like what you’re describing.

            And if it turns out that the SPLC was totally wrong, and ‘Black Nationalism’ takes over and commits genocide on white people, that’s definitely something we’ll be worried about.

            • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world
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              6 months ago

              Well your experience has been very different. He has been handed literature explaining how the prosperity of the african people can not exist in world with europeans and asians. My friend is not white, might be the difference here. He has run into numerous recruiters for this ideology in a number of different forms. Any form of ethnonationalism is bad. Just because where you live, it is a minority, and therefore isn’t some eminent concern of going third reich, does not make it not bad.

  • Aleric@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    I feel this so hard. I’m a big Týr fan and it’s comforting knowing that not only are they not Nazis, Nazis at their shows will get their asses beat.

      • barsoap@lemm.ee
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        6 months ago

        Rammstein isn’t metal it’s NDH. The Genre does have metal influence but you could just as well call it Industrial Punk (in particular in regards to Rammstein). There’s plenty of groove metal in there if you know what to listen for but this doesn’t sound anywhere close to Pantera.

        And if Rammstein being a bunch of Punks with way too much artistic concept wasn’t enough you have to literally ignore their Discography to think they’re right-wing.

        • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
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          6 months ago

          I know rammstein isn’t metal. Lots of people consider them metal though. And I didn’t say they were right wing, but the band did get in a lot of trouble in the last few years over sexually abusing people. A lot of people. That’s why I asked.

          • barsoap@lemm.ee
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            6 months ago

            And I didn’t say they were right wing, but the band did get in a lot of trouble in the last few years over sexually abusing people

            It was alleged that. What’s true is that there were plenty of 0-row aftershow parties with plenty of drugs and sex involving Till. Which is problematic in itself but as it seems (if we take the state attorney’s conclusions as gospel truth) nothing non-consentual went on. What’s left is allegations by two women who, as far as I’m aware, never themselves filed criminal complaints (which would expose them to possible false accusation charges).

            What I took away from the whole thing is that Till is a creepy yet decent hedonist and it’s good that he’s got pushback over his behaviour, but it’s also not a thing he should be crucified for. He’s not 20-something any more, he should understand iffy consent mechanics when it comes to 20-something groupies better at his age.

    • Neato@ttrpg.networkEnglish
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      6 months ago

      Yeah. I find that a lot in very disparate genres, too. I pretty much have to look up anyone I like more than a little now.

    • Devi@kbin.social
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      6 months ago

      Bonus points for his fans shouting about how he wasn’t convicted so “He was totally cleared of all that, they’re just jealous psychos!”

      Because everyone knows sexual assault is notoriously well dealt with.

      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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        6 months ago

        I mean, if none of the 35 allegations actually go anywhere, I’m not going to assume they actually did something either. Seems sus on all accounts.

        • Promethiel@lemmy.world
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          6 months ago

          Fool me one, shame on you, fool me 35 times shame on… that’s really the stance you want to take? Seems sus alright, but trust and verify is for cold war movies.

          • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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            6 months ago

            If none of the accusations go anywhere then yeah that’s a bit sus on the case of the accusers. I get that those things are hard to prosecute but 35 cases and nothing to show for it? Sus.

        • Devi@kbin.social
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          6 months ago

          If 35 different people say they were sexually assaulted by someone then the chances that all of them are untrue is miniscule.

          • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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            6 months ago

            And somehow none of them having nothing to show for it in court, hmm. I feel like that’s less likely, considering how easy it is to accuse (especially anonymously). I guess it all depends on the what sort of accusations they are and how detailed, if the facts seem plausible etc. If it’s 35 very credible accusations from people speaking out in their own name, uh oh, that sounds pretty bad. If it’s 35 pretty vague seeming accusations on Twitter from anonymous accounts, ehh I’ll definitely wait for something more concrete. And after all in court you’d only need one of them to succeed for all of them to seem credible, but with none of them succeeding, I’m starting to doubt the accusations.

      • asteriskeverything@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Speaking from general life experience, a lot of those fans are potential victims of the same treatment themselves minors/women

        So if you have a child or friend that speaks like that, it is a red flag to pay closer attention to the people they build relationships with and their behavior. I’m not talking about protecting kids from drugs and sex, I mean protect them predators and abuse.

        • Devi@kbin.social
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          6 months ago

          True. I have a lot of friends who dated abusers AFTER they abused someone else, and parrotted the “his ex was a psycho and made it all up” line.

          Sometimes the ex is a psycho, but like 99% of the time they aren’t.

    • kralk@lemm.ee
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      6 months ago

      Not metal, but Ghost Mice really shocked me. The guy was like “yeah I did that shit, sorry” and was just never seen again.

  • lobut@lemmy.ca
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    6 months ago

    Saw a random YouTuber I thought I liked do a livestream. He usually does reactionary or random updates content.

    I go in and he’s ragging on Biden and I see people doing SuperChats with pro-Trump messages and just casual racism. Apparently, Biden’s PR person probably should have been white according to these guys. I ducked out, was quite sad.

  • hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    6 months ago

    This is very much a Slayer moment, except that reading the bands and the members, Hanneman’s Araya’s and King’s wiki pages is quite a rollercoaster

  • Bourff@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Metal bands are mostly nazis? Is that the news “satanic scare” like we had in the 80’s?

    • Shiggles@sh.itjust.works
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      6 months ago

      It’s not a majority, but it is a higher risk factor. Especially when Sweden/Finland produce a lot of metal bands and are also a higher risk factor for nazi sympathy - by and large they certainly don’t idealize them but they also aren’t always vilified to the same level as you might expect elsewhere

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        It’s also something that’s more related to some genres of music than others. It’s definitely a much bigger issue in metal than you would find in, say, jazz or electronica. On the other hand, it’s more overt than the kind of Nazis you find in country music, and they get much more publicized.

        • root_beer@midwest.socialEnglish
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          6 months ago

          It’s definitely a much bigger issue in metal than you would find in, say, jazz or electronica.

          For a while, and I assume it continues today, there was/is a synth subgenre called fashwave, a Nazi-adjacent take on vaporwave. I imagine they have a niche elsewhere in the electro scene, and prob. industrial too?

            • root_beer@midwest.socialEnglish
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              6 months ago

              The good ol’ American tradition of forcing squaredance onto kids in schools—I was a victim myself from the ‘80s to the mid ‘90s—was borne of the fear and disgust of the black and Jewish roots of jazz, with Hitler idol Henry Ford being a big advocate for it.

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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                6 months ago

                Yep, and one of the ways cannabis was demonized in the first half of the 20th century was by associating it with jazz culture, making it very much something that “they” did.

        • barsoap@lemm.ee
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          6 months ago

          jazz or electronica.

          Gabber pretty much inherited all the Nazis Punks threw out of concerts and are, to their credit, also not terribly unlikely to throw them out of concerts. There’s definitely infiltration going on when it comes to Dark Techno. When it comes to Jazz it shouldn’t be too terribly fucking surprising that white supremacists don’t like it. It was outlawed in the Third Reich, though they also produced their own for foreign propaganda purposes.

      • kronisk @lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Nazis are absolutely vilified in Sweden and Finland, I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’d say NSBM bands is a lot more prevalent in Eastern Europe and Russia.

      • toofpic@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Yeah, and the aggression in music easily syncs with literal agreccion of the third reich, so it’s a low-hanging fruit if you don’t have other ideas for music and songs. Lemme try:
        Panzer death
        Panzer death
        Blood soaked brothers march
        Panzer death
        Panzer death
        Glory to our patriarch

        bonus points for samples of machinegun added to drums, lyrics in German, bandmembers photographed in pseudo-nazi uniform, etc.

        Some idiots will listen that on repeat in no time

        Edit: Listen to Hanzel und Gretel - SS Deathstar Supergalaktik, it covers most of the the cliches

      • Bananobanza@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Lol, a lot of those names are a little too on the nose. I mean Kristalnacht and Infernall SS? Can’t imagine making a wrong assumption on those

      • Bourff@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Of course there are nazis bands, especially I’m black metal. But that’s a minority, and they generally suck anyway. But I’m not into BM at all personally, so I don’t bother tbh.

      • fitgse@sh.itjust.works
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        6 months ago

        This is a tiny portion of black metal in a sub genre . But it isn’t surprising that an extreme genre with a strong counter culture doesn’t have some extreme spin-offs.

        Also you can tell which bands are in NSBM because they are all terrible at actually making music.

  • xploit@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Dethklok seems pretty safe.

    There isn’t all that much out there about Brendon Small though and what I could find he should be a decent enough person…plus I liked Metalocalypse quite a bit, so that helps me 😁

    Dunno much about Bryan Beller, Nili Brosh or Gene Hoglan, just saw a few random videos with them so hard to gauge.

    • nyctre@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      Just listen to cattle decap. The morally superior band. Kidding. They’re pretty great tho, more people should listen to cattle decapitation. Especially the later albums which are more approachable

    • TwoCubed@feddit.de
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      6 months ago

      Gojira are environmental and humanist activists to a certain degree. At least in their music that is.

      Plus they fucking rock, holy shit.

      • Skua@kbin.social
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        6 months ago

        WHAAAAAAAAAALES

        But yeah having a whole song about the Amazon burning that happens to also have some stellar riffs? Yeah I’m on board

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      Brendon Small made Home Movies. He has to be a decent person. I will be very upset if he isn’t. I may have to go poke him in the eye if he isn’t.

  • dumbass@leminal.space
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    6 months ago

    Did one or more of the members kill

    A) themselves

    B) another band member

    C) Random strangers by burning down a church

    • Senseless@feddit.de
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      6 months ago

      The Youtube algorithm just showed me a video about that the other day. I didn’t even know that they originally had nothing to do with being right-wing fascists.

      • IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social
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        6 months ago

        Unfortunately any anti-establishment counter-culture movement that is predominantly white will attract Nazis. And these nazis sometimes don’t even know they are one. You even see it in some far left movements. There are people in those movements who call themselves lefties yet have espoused right wing fascist ideology

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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            6 months ago

            For what it’s worth, Wikipedia says:

            In addition to retaining many mod influences, early skinheads were very interested in Jamaican rude boy styles and culture, especially the music: ska, rocksteady, and early reggae (before the tempo slowed down and lyrics became focused on topics like black nationalism and the Rastafari movement).[1][12][13]

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead

            Which sort of implies it was a white people thing that was influenced by black culture but not when it was too black.

            I have no real idea of the demographics though. I shave my head, but it’s because I hate sitting in a barber chair making smalltalk and I save money not doing it.

            • TawdryPorker@lemmy.world
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              6 months ago

              Which sort of implies it was a white people thing that was influenced by black culture but not when it was too black.

              I can see why you might think that from reading about it in 2024 but I’d suggest to you that the tempo slowdown is the major factor. Ska is an uptempo party music. Rocksteady slowed the tempo down and Reggae generally kept the tempo at that slower pace.

              Also there was a progression of people leaving skinhead for rock following more high energy bands like The Who and The Small Faces and going through the psychedelic changes into Rock at the end of the sixties.

              The fans of ska had no problem with reggae, especially Bob Marley, who was collaborating with Mick Jagger in no time. It’s just they’d moved on from skinhead because the scene had become much more associated with violence. There was also the very deliberate efforts of the National Front to recruit football supporters during the early 70s heyday of football hooliganism. A lot of the people that were into violence were attracted to the second wave of skinhead just as cultural changes to the music in Jamaica and the UK meant that a lot of the first wave were evolving into mods and then some of them hippies and eventually you see the emergence of street punk at the end of the 70s.

              As for Rastafarianism, that was not at the time a dogmatic religion like Catholicism or the Moonies but arose out of cultural immersion and community practice in the places in Jamaica where most of its adherents lived. I don’t think it is a matter of being too black, it’s just that it’s very specific to Jamaica and eventually the Jamaican diaspora.

              Edit: It’s no accident that the third wave of skinhead was kickstarted by Two Tone and was explicitly multi-racial and also that Two Tone harked back to uptempo ska.

            • Clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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              6 months ago

              I HATE the small talk! My barber gives me a scalp massage too, really scratching it up, and that’s just awful too. I’ve asked him not to do it but it’s part of his routine and he does it automatically. My ideal barber would let me fall asleep in the chair.

        • orrk@lemmy.world
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          6 months ago

          to be fair, it doesn’t help that some very prominent “leftist” “feminists”(see TERF) are signal boosting Nazis, or how for some reason we still allow tankies to call themselves leftists because of American Cold War propaganda (this 1950s-70s Cold War cartoon said the USSR are clearly left, since they are “communism”, so anyone supporting these “communists” must also be a leftist!)

            • orrk@lemmy.world
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              6 months ago

              yup, there is, but tankies aren’t it.

              auth left looks like some form of highly self-regulating society, the problem is the inherent instability in this type of system almost always ends in auth right as a group of elites takes control, or breaks down into non-auth-left when motivation for said society dies down.

      • DillyDaily@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        My entire understanding of skinheads was “skinheads are fascists” and I never delved any deeper into it. Until the other month when my barber told me I should consider getting a chelsea cut, my gut reaction being “why would I want to look like a neonazi?”

        But one simple online search later, and I went back for the shave. The original sentiment of the skinhead culture is slowly being reclaimed, though there will always be two potential interpretations of what someone with that style stands for, I’ll happily rock my skinbird cut at union rallies and antifa protective counter-protests when actual nazis try to raid our local queer clubs.

  • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
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    6 months ago

    Then you’ve got bands that died in the 80s while at the time too obscure to be asked about POTUS or PM. For example: Brocas Helm.

    I hear rumours they were totally satanists, and I don’t mean temple, but who knows what is true.