Rheinmetall has received an order from the German federal government for the supply of 20 additional Marder infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine, the company's press service reports.
I do hope that won’t be needed, I also don’t think the production capacity of European weapons manufacturers is at a level where we would need to move to a war economy to buy out everything they can produce (I may be wrong, in which case I’ll moderate my statement). Finally, I think that with peace-time regulations in place, manufacturers will take enough time to scale up production that we could literally buy everything they’re capable of producing without surpassing like 4% of GDP.
However, I can agree that a better, more moderated statement, would be “We’ll buy everything you can produce over the next five years, up to a limit of <insert absurdly large number here> per year”. To safeguard against accidentally agreeing to spending like 10 % of GDP on weapons.
The point is that manufacturers need an incentive to massively scaly up capacity now, because if shit hits the fan tomorrow, Europe will be suffering severe shell hunger, and other weapons deficits, for at least a couple years until we’re able to scale up production sufficiently.
Yeah you need to calm down, and read a few dictionary definitions. Europe is NOT at war… Ukraine is, and you can start yammering about technicalities but you know damn well that there is a difference.
Yes, Russia is fucking about (and finding out) but if Russia actually attacks Europe it’s over. Likely not only for Russia, but for the world as that would immediately though NATO result in WWIII. Nukes WILL be involved, Russia will become a waste land and, depending on if Russia’s nukes still work (there is a non zero chance that a very large amount are no longer functional), Europe and the US too.
Let’s hope cooler.kinds prevail, as before. In the meantime though, stop panicking.
@phoenixz
I know what you mean, but… just a few facts to remind.
Russia had killed the President of Poland and many others. This is not yet proved, unfortunately, but I have no doubt of Russia’s role.
A coup d’état in the capital of Montenegro, Podgorica was allegedly planned and prepared…
Russo-Georgian War…
Transnistria War…
Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine are the part of Europe, geographically.
Russia is constantly participating in European wars.
No panics! I’m a Ukrainian!
You do realize that Russia is preparing for a war, right? Just asking in case you missed a few of the last months and Russias degenerated plan of a new, widespread empire…
What you want basically requires Europe to switch to a war economy. Pray that won’t ever be needed
I do hope that won’t be needed, I also don’t think the production capacity of European weapons manufacturers is at a level where we would need to move to a war economy to buy out everything they can produce (I may be wrong, in which case I’ll moderate my statement). Finally, I think that with peace-time regulations in place, manufacturers will take enough time to scale up production that we could literally buy everything they’re capable of producing without surpassing like 4% of GDP.
However, I can agree that a better, more moderated statement, would be “We’ll buy everything you can produce over the next five years, up to a limit of <insert absurdly large number here> per year”. To safeguard against accidentally agreeing to spending like 10 % of GDP on weapons.
The point is that manufacturers need an incentive to massively scaly up capacity now, because if shit hits the fan tomorrow, Europe will be suffering severe shell hunger, and other weapons deficits, for at least a couple years until we’re able to scale up production sufficiently.
@phoenixz @CapeWearingAeroplane Wake up, it is already needed!
Europe is not at war yet, hope it never will be
@phoenixz @rogerhaase
Europe is already at war, and it started much before 24.02.2024!
Europeans just do not want to get this fact.
Yeah you need to calm down, and read a few dictionary definitions. Europe is NOT at war… Ukraine is, and you can start yammering about technicalities but you know damn well that there is a difference.
Yes, Russia is fucking about (and finding out) but if Russia actually attacks Europe it’s over. Likely not only for Russia, but for the world as that would immediately though NATO result in WWIII. Nukes WILL be involved, Russia will become a waste land and, depending on if Russia’s nukes still work (there is a non zero chance that a very large amount are no longer functional), Europe and the US too.
Let’s hope cooler.kinds prevail, as before. In the meantime though, stop panicking.
@phoenixz
I know what you mean, but… just a few facts to remind.
Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine are the part of Europe, geographically.
Russia is constantly participating in European wars.
No panics! I’m a Ukrainian!
You do realize that Russia is preparing for a war, right? Just asking in case you missed a few of the last months and Russias degenerated plan of a new, widespread empire…