I’m thinking of getting a second phone to ease off iOS. It has been good for productivity stuff but the closed off nature of the device keeps disrupting my plans. Everything is either expensive or ad ridden. (Except floccus, floccus is awesome)
So far I have read about graphene OS and am quite interested. I really despise google though. Any chance to use another device and put some linux flavor on it? I was playing with the idea of a pinephone but it seems to be nowhere near daily drivable, fairphone is starting at 580 €, volla phone (german) 450 €…
Some people said xiaomi should be rootable. But the amount of different phones is huge. The price range is awesome though. I was thinking sub 300 €/$ would be awesome so tinkering doesnt hurt me financially.
Disclaimer: I dont want to go full hermit mode with no sim and a faraday bag. I respect the opinion but thats not what I’m trying to do. I want to write some small apps for my phone and use it as a computer if needed. Calling, matrix and browser should work flawlessly.
Any ideas or suggestions? :)
If your not going to go with a pixel, the best alternative is a new samsung phone with Divest OS.
Samsung is the closest in terms of meeting GOS hardware requirements (it still doesn’t) and Divest OS is the next best privacy respecting ROM.
More so than Lineage? I never heard of them.
Way more. Lineage is not a very good rom in terms of privacy and is an awful choice in terms of security. Both Divest and Calyx are better choices.
Lineage as the name implies is best suited for end of life phones that you need to keep working. Which i would avoid anyway as you are not getting any security updates leaving your phone extremely vulnerable.
You can also look at supported calyxos/divestos phones
Keep in mind that divestos doesn’t support any gapps
My personal choice would be just Graphene, without any gapps
May be check out other privacy focused custom ROMs:
LineageOS: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/
DivestOS: https://divestos.org/pages/devices
I think that grapheneos is the most advanced one and if you can have it, it’s the best choice
I agree. I myself use GrapheneOS. However, seeing that OP despises Pixels so much, I figured these would be the next best options.
Thanks for chiming in. I checked the phones on the lists. Pretty awesome! Its actually a lot of devices that can be rooted which I think is great.
I dont despise pixels, I take issue with buying a google device. I could obviously opt for a used one which would at least lessen the cognitive dissonance.
But in any case, I‘m very happy that so many devices are actually runnable in linux. I have one of the few devices that cant be rooted which is pretty much the reason I want to switch…
DivestOS is the only privacy focused OS in that list.
LineageOS’ goal is extend software support for Android phones, and /e/OS is designed for the Fair Phone. Privacy isn’t the goal, and LineageOS still phones home to Google for most things.
LineageOS still phones home to Google for most things.
Do you have a source on this? I thought LineageOS was completely de-googled now.
My knowledge here isn’t perfect, but I learned a lot from this discussion on the Privacy Guides forum.
You might find this chart to be helpful as well.
I think you could reconsider your position re Pixel/Google phones. It is the one major maker that allows you to deploy an OS securely on their phone and GrapheneOS is grand. I have used it on a secondary phone for years.
Seconded.
I have calyx os running on my pixel 4 as my daily driver, with microG so I can still use banking app and M$ apps I need for work.
As you can unlock and relock the bootloader, the device security will still attest to the OS validity so security sensitive apps will still work. You can also put the stock Google OS back on easily at a later date if you so choose.
Graphene gang gang
I could, for sure. It may even be a great idea. I’ll just have to solve that by myself since I’m very disillusioned by google. Its like if the devil made a good product.
But I get your point. Graphene is probably a lot more mature than others OSs.
This is the ONLY reason I got a pixel, alternate os support. The data they get from me is not worth much in the end as I already know what I will buy from reading on reviews etc. ads, even when I watched TV, don’t really work on me and the ones that do catch my eye usually make a sale for another co than the one advertising. Being ND has its benefits
Google dont manage to get data phoned back with GrapheneOS i seem to recall. I may be wrong
Graphene has researched this, and there’s one little thing one of the Blobs does - kind of a DNS lookup thing (not actually DNS), I forget exactly what it is.
There was a discussion of it about a year ago.
There is no better phone than Pixel. It’s because Pixel has the support for the best alternative ROMs like GrapheneOS and LineageOS. I have a Samsung A53 5G phone, and I have to use Odin to flash stuff.
I bought my sister a Motorola g52 which is compatible with calyxos and only cost 175€
I am rocking a Fairphone 4 with iodéOS and I am very happy with it. Though I am definitely not phone power user…
Thats the first time I‘ve heard of this OS. What features do you like most?
FDroid is a native app store, aurora is preinsralled as well as microG. I don’t use any google apps and have none installed. Afaik there is no option to have GAPPS with iodéOS. They do sell the fairphone with the OS preinsralled which is very nice and iodé is from france which is a plus in my book as well 😁
OnePlus makes some great phones in the mid to low price range. I don’t know if they’re rootable or whatever
They are. I checked the list for some OSs. Thanks for sharing. You’re actually not the first person to recomment oneplus. Whats your favorite thing about them?
They hit a sweet spot of having basically everything. Like the n30 has pretty much everything you could want - sd card slot, super fast charger in the box, headphone jack, screen with no pwm, relatively low price, fast cpu, huge 8 gb amount of RAM so apps never need to refresh when you switch back to them, all the antenna bands for the fastest data speed and best reception coverage area, good software with almost no pre-installed bloatware, etc etc. It honestly is just about perfect!
Sounds good. I‘m very curious but nearly nobody I know has a non android or non apple phone which I dont like. Will need to think more about this stuff.
Does anything refuse to work or work badly?
It’s an android phone, and it does everything perfectly for everything i ever try to do with it
Ah! Got it. Stock android isnt exactly what I‘m searching for as I‘d like to have control over my phone. I‘ve been using apple for years and I want to switch because apple makes it impossible to control my device.
Well i can tell you that the hardware is fantastic
I’m partial to the poogle gixel
Thanks for mentioning it. It feels like there isnt that much of an option if I want something that actually works. At least thats what a lot of folks are saying.
Yeah, I haven’t personally used grapheneos but that seems to be the reigning king at the moment
I went with a Nokia X20. It has standard android, no extra cruft and comes with a guaranteed three years of updates, as opposed to the Google device that was considered obsolete after six months.
It’s not waterproof, but that was the only feature I gave up. Cost half of my previous “flagship” phone.
No doubt there is a newer version of this device available today.
Thanks for mentioning it. Sounds like google is a real sweetheart with their devices.
I‘m thinking of getting a oneplus 6 with postmarket os since I‘m a fan of owning my device. This trend of the manufacturer deciding how long your device stays alive is toxic as hell.
A alternative to fairphone would be https://www.shift.eco/en/ They want to put killswitches into their new Phone which you can preorder for 535€ https://shop.shiftphones.com/shiftphone-8.html
It won’t be as secure as a Pixel with GrapheneOS. Grapheneos won’t support that Phone officially.
I’d vote against shift phones. Support is also a crucial part of what you’re paying for and most of their communication on their website is in German, which doesn’t tell much good about getting customer support in another language. Maybe they don’t offer support in English or maybe very limited with longer waiting times.
Very interesting! Thanks for mentioning it! :)
Jesus. $100 for a pixel or $600 for this. Hmmmmm
Yes, buying an used Pixel 8 or a 8a is what I would suggest. Its sustainable and doesn’t fund Google.
But their phone has some unique, inreresting features, like that Killswitches, 512 GB, expandable up to 2 TB with micro SDXC card, 12 GB LPDDR RAM, Electro-scrap positive thanks to the cooperation with our partner Closing the Loop, Designed in Germany/Falkenberg and fairly manufactured in our own factory in China , modular, easy replacement of Battery that has a standard format also used in other products from them,
Designed in Germany/Falkenberg and fairly manufactured in our own factory in China
That sounds like a red flag from a security perspective. If you own the factory and everything in it, then why even have it in China? And who is being hired in this warehouse for this security/privacy phone in this Chinese factory?
All the parts are in China already. There would be mad high tarrifs to get the parts shipped into Germany and then taxed again shipping to the customer.
The result would be the phone would cost 4x higher, easily.
how are you getting a pixel for 100 dollars lmao
Ebay. I never spend more than $100 on a phone.
With the crowd here, I have completely de-googled my life, also hate google, and the data mining nightmare that comes along with it…but in the end. The pixel phones (with grapheneos) are the most secure and private out there, or one of the most should say, ya know seems odd that a phone by such a data hungry company, can be made into exactly the opposite. Have had 0 issues since running grapheneos on my pixel 6
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ya know seems odd that a phone by such a data hungry company, can be made into exactly the opposite.
It shouldn’t feel odd, because we should have control over the hardware we buy, yet here we are.
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I didn’t know that, my google-fu turned up nothing do you have a link with more info?
if you hate google, you could buy a pixel secondhand, right?
That’s what I did!
How do you buy a second hand Puxl safely?
With iPhone there’s so many horror stories. Mainly what they do is buy the phone through some means that opens up the possibility of credit card fraud, then pass the phone on. Then they do the charge back to reclaim the money. Apple then bricks the device of course due to non payment and you as the second hand owner are stuck with a decorative piece.
My Puxl was from eBay.
To be honest, I don’t know much about how credit cards can be associated with phone hardware. I would think it could conceivably be tied to phone #s. In my case the phone is unlocked and it’s not an esim, which I understand we will all be moving too soon.
I wonder if it might have something to do with Google Pay or Apple Pay that ties hardware information to payments? And as for Esim, it might make it so that you can’t distinguish phones based on their physical sim card so it perhaps introduces a possibility of reliance on hardware.
But this is all speculation on my part. I just don’t know and I haven’t made whatever precautions would be needed.
Oh! No-no. Must phone purchases in NA are made by CC at either the manufacturer’s store / website or a telephone provider’s store or website. The CC is not tied to the phone itself. But the purchase of the item is.
If you buy something with a credit card, you can dispute a charge and claim “goods not received” with the issuer of the credit card. After a time period you usually get the money back.
I’ll try to demonstrate:
i bought mine from swappa, they seem to have a pretty decent support system for any potential fraud.
You can try a refurbished store, I got my Pixel from Backmarket without any problems.
That’s what I’ve done for my last few phones. Aside from a battery issue that got replaced on a “recall” of sorts, my pixel 4XL has been running strong for years now. Haven’t bought a brand new phone for well over a decade now
Thats what I‘m thinking about as well.
Currently have a pixel 6 256gig
Spent about a half hour in a hot tub with it in my pocket on saturday and it shut automatically disables the usb port.
Havent had any issues with it this week
If it helps
(In a sprigen case)
What? I mean, did you test it or what was the idea with that?
So, I’m on a P7 with GOS, and truly it is a brilliant way to divest oneself from google services, alongside being probably the most secure
third partyROM. I think, they’re certainly very keen on it, and laudably competent, updates are around weekly, sometimes every couple of days, because there are some vulnerable (to state level actors etc.) users. It’s been great, I have a primary profile that is google free and a secondary for google stuff that I want, and over time I find, at my own pace, FOSS things to move into my primary, so I don’t need my secondary as much, until I didn’t need it at all. It’s great, and now I can move to any other ROM without google services and be (mostly, except for some bastard in real life requiring an app that I can’t install in secondary on Lineage etc, at least last time I used it, which will come up) happy. Thankyou GOS. Also, being able to revoke network permissions on any random app (including google services) via OS is Gold.That said, P7 has some issues, it runs hot (I recorded via termux), and if you live in a hot humid environ, don’t expect longevity near the 5Yr security updates promised. Mine’s spicy pillow at 16 months, enough to break the seal and accelerate degeneration. I live in a country with consumer protection for 24 months, so it’s not so bad (I hope, batteries are special), but in the rest of the world it would suck. I do not want to replace my phone every year, assholes.
TLDR: Get a second hand Pixel (4-7), hence not giving money to google, replace the battery, install GOS. Learn, live, enjoy, at the end you will have learned to live free (if that’s what you want).
Thank you for elaborating! Thats very helpful.
Do you happen to know if the pixel 6 will run iut of updates with GOS like it will with android and other proprietary phones? Because I‘m searching for something I can actually own so that I can use it until it breaks without having a security nightmare in my pocket due to seized updates.
My understanding is that GOS relies on google for security updates (and sometimes the other way around, they’ve made some flaws known to google). I would trust them to be solid, at least until google drops the P6 security updates, go look up how many years that is. At worst, you can then use LineageOS or something if you need security, hopefully by then you’re degoogled. GOS will still work, but to my knowledge, doesn’t guarantee updates after google stops updating. It’s about as good as you can expect from a ROM, I’m quite happy, personally.
this is kind of disappointing. My whole reason for switching is to keep apple from turning my device off when it becomes 5 yrs old.
Now I learn that its more or less the same with graphene since it relies on google security updates which means in two years the phone will be out of updates.
Maybe I‘m getting something wrong but my priority is not privacyTM but owning my device which means as long as it turns on, I can use it.
Fair enough, but P7 has 5 years of security updates, I think P8 gets 7 yrs, FWIW.
Having run other rooms since about 2010, I have a lot of experience with this.
I’ve intentionally bought phones based on the ease of flashing.
I finally switched to Pixel this year because I’m tired of fighting. My last phone was a non-Pixel 2017 flagship, that was about as simple to flash as possible.
Only needed:
- ADB on a pc
- enable OEM Unlocking
- boot to fastboot
- fastboot flashing unlock
- boot the phone to ADB/sideload mode
- adb flash boot <rom name>
The end.
Pixel works the same way. And, there’ll be another Pixel model next year. So I should be able to buy a 2 year old Pixel whenever I want.
I’ve fought with flashing (and rooting) other phones, which require more effort, and it gets old.
Even with a Pixel I have a project plan with 130 tasks to restore a phone (many of those tasks occur in a single adb install script).
Wow! Thanks for elaborating. Thats quite a journey and a lot of work to get a phone restored but I really appreciate you telling me this. Obviously restoring a smartphone is at least as hard as a pc if you do it manually because the proprietary „comfortable“ mode isnt healthy for you.
Using some automation with backup utilities (O&O Backup) and sync tools (Synching,Resilio) make a world of difference. Of course, backup requires root.
Neat. I wrote my own backup script for my two jacked up servers. I suppose I would be able to either write something or just use these classics. Syncthing i think is deja dup, right? I use a combination of deka dup and timeshift for my pc and a script if I want to push backups over network.
