It’s a pretty smooth brain take because the core ideas of religion are just about universal. Those core ideas would be re-derived. It’s the details and names that vary. You could describe religion as a connectedness to, and humbleness before the mystery of, the universe
What I’m saying is that nobody knows how any of this works. Maybe we are in a simulation and there is a literal being overseeing us. Logical positivism & reductionist materialism have long been disproven by Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem & quantum uncertainty. We do not know what’s going on. Athiest people who claim they definitely know how the universe works are just as bad as fundamentalists. It’s the same mistake of overconfidence
“a connectedness to, and humbleness before the mystery of, the universe”
This is the same rationale Stephen Colbert used when debating Ricky Gervais making the same point above. Yes, similar ideas may come back and people may invent new deities to direct this emotional response towards as humans have done in the past, but it is not observable and/or measurable fact. There is no evidence that any of these created deities are real, but the science of human behaviours in such a experiment may show that humans will always create religions to deal with the overwhelming response of appreciating the improbable notion that your conscious self exists.
Athiest people who claim they definitely know how the universe works
The thing is that atheists don’t do that. They are aware how science works and that what we consider to be true is only the current best approximation.
disproven by Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem
I don’t know much about most of the fancy words you’re throwing around. But I do know that the Incompleteness Theorem only states that statements can exist that you can neither prove nor deny. We could assume that a deity exists that chooses to hide its existence. This assumption would be such an independent axiom. If we take it to be true, however, then it is subject to reasoning, and we can quickly derive that this deity does not have the properties we usually associate with it. So while a deity may exist, it certainly isn’t the one we’re picturing, from which “God doesn‘t exist” follows necessarily.
It’s also worth noting that Gödel was talking about an axiomatization of mathematics, not the ‘real world.’
As I understand it, a statement like that is unscientific. You can say that the likelihood of unicorns existing is extremely small, trace possible mythological origins to show the stories are fabricated, but you can’t categorically prove that something doesn’t exist.
I think the point is that humanity 2.0 might believe the sea gods will reward your undying bloodlust and through many murders, you may be rewarded with eternal battle in the under halls.
But humanity 2.0 will always discover that the earth revolves around the sun the same way we did, and that whatever math they derive will provide the same answers as ours.
It’s a pretty smooth brain take because the core ideas of religion are just about universal. Those core ideas would be re-derived. It’s the details and names that vary. You could describe religion as a connectedness to, and humbleness before the mystery of, the universe
What I’m saying is that nobody knows how any of this works. Maybe we are in a simulation and there is a literal being overseeing us. Logical positivism & reductionist materialism have long been disproven by Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem & quantum uncertainty. We do not know what’s going on. Athiest people who claim they definitely know how the universe works are just as bad as fundamentalists. It’s the same mistake of overconfidence
“a connectedness to, and humbleness before the mystery of, the universe”
This is the same rationale Stephen Colbert used when debating Ricky Gervais making the same point above. Yes, similar ideas may come back and people may invent new deities to direct this emotional response towards as humans have done in the past, but it is not observable and/or measurable fact. There is no evidence that any of these created deities are real, but the science of human behaviours in such a experiment may show that humans will always create religions to deal with the overwhelming response of appreciating the improbable notion that your conscious self exists.
The thing is that atheists don’t do that. They are aware how science works and that what we consider to be true is only the current best approximation.
I don’t know much about most of the fancy words you’re throwing around. But I do know that the Incompleteness Theorem only states that statements can exist that you can neither prove nor deny. We could assume that a deity exists that chooses to hide its existence. This assumption would be such an independent axiom. If we take it to be true, however, then it is subject to reasoning, and we can quickly derive that this deity does not have the properties we usually associate with it. So while a deity may exist, it certainly isn’t the one we’re picturing, from which “God doesn‘t exist” follows necessarily.
It’s also worth noting that Gödel was talking about an axiomatization of mathematics, not the ‘real world.’
I think this is what the poster was referring to with the overconfidence part
“There are no unicorns, that’s the simple truth.”
Is this also over confidence?
There are a lot of children who believe in unicorns.
A lot of pictures too. The pictures are more consistent than that of the gods.
As I understand it, a statement like that is unscientific. You can say that the likelihood of unicorns existing is extremely small, trace possible mythological origins to show the stories are fabricated, but you can’t categorically prove that something doesn’t exist.
Are you saying that a proof that God doesn’t exist, can’t itself exist?
…Yes?
So therefore you can categorically prove that something doesn’t exist?
I think the point is that humanity 2.0 might believe the sea gods will reward your undying bloodlust and through many murders, you may be rewarded with eternal battle in the under halls.
But humanity 2.0 will always discover that the earth revolves around the sun the same way we did, and that whatever math they derive will provide the same answers as ours.
What core ideas are there in the big religions?
Besides the oppression of subserviente women and the hatred of homosexuals?