Pretty much what the title says. I know he’s a former president and has all of his supporters, but what’s the official reason? Thanks.
Moderate Dems don’t want to set the precedent of holding powerful politicians accountable, because moderate Dems are terrified if progressives gain power, they’ll hold people accountable regardless of the letter by their name.
That’s the whole point of being “moderate” occupying the gray area in-between republicans and progressives. And when Republicans are bat shit insane grifters and progressives honestly aren’t asking for anything radical…
Well, moderates aren’t exactly going to be great people, at least they don’t have to be. I’m sure some are just misguided and genuinely think they’re helping.
A bunch of text, all of it unrelated to the question.
Trump lost a civil trial, SBF lost a criminal trial.
You can’t be sent to jail for breaking civil laws.
So do you think Trump broke no laws doing that stuff?
Because he did.
If you want the explanation on why he had a civil and not a criminal trial, refer to that “bunch of text unrelated to the question”.
Sometimes I forget different people need different amounts spelled out for them. I’m sorry I skipped a step and that caused you to become confused.
Your comment proves you don’t understand what’s happening. At all.
Trump defamed someone. That’s a civil issue. He was put on trial. On a civil trial. Because it’s a civil issue. He lost. He got fined. Not sent to jail. Because it’s a civil trial.
Engoron ruled that Trump engaged in a yearslong conspiracy with top executives at his company, the Trump Organization, to deceive banks and insurers about the size of his wealth and the true value of such properties as Trump Tower in Manhattan and his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida.
Crazy someone hasn’t heard of that, or did you forget?
You literally don’t know what’s happening bro
It’s not federal vs state
It’s protected vs sacrificial lamb.
The powerful avoid the mobs by occasionally giving up one of their own to the horde.
If that is the case, why is Trump being tried at all?
Just because the powerful enjoy breaking laws with impunity doesn’t mean occasionally people won’t try to hold them to account.
In Trump’s case even powerful wealthy people think he went too far, and some of them are terrified of the consequences of a second term.
A president in jail would be disastrous for the reputation of America as a country. That’s been my theory as to why he will never face any real consequence. It seems like an elephant in the room. One that probably doesn’t even split neatly down partisanship.
In my opinion, not prosecuting a blatant criminal is a much worse look for the country. You can’t undo the past, but you can bring him to justice.
Not prosecuting a ex-President for literally trying to both violently and by subterfuge overturn a lawful, democratic election while in office by a position that is literally sworn to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution would officially make America a joke.
Other democracies can uphold their own laws even when the highest official of the land violates their oath of office. If we do not, the idea of America as a democracy is officially dead.
Sorry, but the fact he was even elected the first time made America a complete joke to the rest of the world. It is utterly bizarre watching this all unfold, and that after everything that’s happened since, Trump still has a good chance of election AGAIN?
Wtf is going on over there?
Well the legal system doesn’t exist on paper. Laws are not what the legal system operates on. Allegedly, breaking a law is what allows, but doesn’t require, the legal system to be involved at all.
So to answer your question, Sam Bankman is a nobody, that no one likes, and caused a very public number of people to lose a lot of money. His case is a slam-dunk, and has no further implications. Trump is a former president who did exactly the same shit that every other former president has done since Washington. So prosecuting him for his crimes now means that the power brokers of the US empire are now potentially open to prosecution. So of course the two aren’t going to be comparable.
So there is no “official reason” because officially the judicial system is based on individual discretion.
I was with you until
“Trump is a former president who did exactly the same shit that every other former president has done since Washington.”
Every president since Washington has misused campaign funds to pay for silence on an affair, stolen top secret documents, conducted business fraudulently, and plotted multiple attempts to subvert an election?
I must be missing something. If you take that line out I agree with the rest of your comment.
I understand what you’re saying but the logic is a little flawed.
Yes, they both committed fraud.
SBF defrauded the crypto community, his investors, and FTX users.
Trump defrauded lenders, property insurers, and various tax authorities (and via that tax fraud, the taxpayers of NY and possibly the USA.)
SBF was charged criminally and found guilty. I assure you, the civil cases are coming against SBF. And the plaintiffs will most likely win those civil cases.
Trump was charged civilly and found guilty. I assure you, the criminal cases are coming against Trump. And the plaintiffs will most likely lose those criminal cases.
That’s the true difference.
I assure you, the criminal cases are coming against Trump
Fucking when, after he becomes president again and pardons himself, or after he croaks from obesity and dementia?
President can’t pardon state cases.
He’s not supposed to be able to do a lot of the shit he’s getting away with. At this point I fully expect him to try to pardon himself, NY will say he can’t do that, it’ll go to the SC, who will say that he can.
After all you’ve seen Trump get away with I can’t believe that you still somehow think this little detail will matter. SCOTUS will create an exemption of some kind for him.
“White male Presidents over the age of 75 that wear predominantly red ties can pardon themselves at both the federal and state level.”
they’re both terrible people who deserve everything they get but sbf didn’t nominate judges to the court who can rule in his favour.
People keep asking this. I guess it’s the new spin the Trump fascists are trying to work.
Why New York state is suing Trump instead of charging him with crimes
James seems to be taking this approach, as opposed to a criminal indictment, because New York law empowers the AG to seek damages caused by fraudulent business behavior as a form of consumer protection. The law doesn’t require the AG to identify a victim or even demonstrate anybody suffered harm. Plus, the burden of proof is lower in civil cases than in criminal ones.
“What makes this statute particularly powerful is that there doesn’t have to be a loss,” Will Thomas, a law professor at the University of Michigan’s Ross School of Business, told Yahoo Finance. “This statute has been used to disgorge profits illegally gained. The government can be allowed to claw back all of those profits. Provable nature is lower, and you don’t have to prove intent or willfulness.”
A civil suit also prevents James from bumping into the criminal case against Trump’s company that the Manhattan district attorney is prosecuting. Those two offices sometimes work together on criminal cases, as they’re doing on the recent indictment of former Trump adviser Steve Bannon. With regard to Trump, however, they seem to be pursuing complementary approaches instead of overlapping ones.
So the answer is: it’s easier to win, it’s easier to punish Trump & they can still file criminal charges after a successful civil case if more crimes are uncovered.
