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    4 months ago

    Only because the Democrats have contributed to support a failed and broken system because it sometimes kept them in power.

    Conservatives have been openly stating their goals for the last hundred years all the Democrats had to do was stop supporting the status quo.

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      ugh. I don’t get where this comes from. You think people should sign up under a stystem and run for office under a system and then not support and try and make that system as best it can be from within the system. You want revolution then revolt but if your in a democracy vote for the best option and that includes the options for the option (primaries) and if you can try and be an option if you will do a better job and making the best of the system. You want to toss our the system and start anew, well then revolt.

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        4 months ago

        That set of political beliefs is what has lead us to where we are though.

        We’ve voted for the best worst option for 40+ years. None of them have been willing or able to stop us from getting here where we are right now. So what does that say about that strategy?

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          not really. reagan over carter. bush over gore, bush over heart, trump over hilary. We went with the worst option plenty. Problem is we are a democracy and not everyone views the best option is the same. Many of those races were extremely close when the worse option won (hanging chads). Sure we would not be perfect but if those races had went the other way because of the best worst option having more support it we would be way better off today and its possible the worst worst option would find it had to be a bit better which might have pushed the best worst to be a bit better to. What has happened is the worst worst finds they can just be worse and worse because that just turns off folks from seeking better and buy into the, they are all the same, fud.

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            Huh…almost like the lesser of two evils is a losing strategy that produces loser candidates that their own base won’t come out and vote for, huh?

            Almost like the insistance of dems on fielding these candidates has shown a repeating pattern of failure.

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              The dems though are the people who vote in the primary and work with their local chapters. Anyone can improve the canidate pool. The dems win some times though while the non dem liberals have never defeated a republican canidate. They just bitch about the innefective job the dems do while not getting the job done themselves.

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                You can’t work within a party that does everything to suppress progressive candidates. Even when progressives win, dems allow groups like AIPAC to unseat them even if it means putting a republican in their place. Or you have people like Nancy Pelosi who made it her personal quest to fuck over any progressive running in a pary, even if it meant propping up anti-choice shit bags like Henry Cuellar.

                No, this is an issue of a culture of suppression within the democratic party, not the fault of progressives. The major, sustainable wins that do occur for dems in purple or red districts often come from progressives when they’re not kneecapped in their primaries and are actually supported by their party.

                You can’t on one hand claim you want progress and then talk about how progress doesn’t get people to vote. The party itself needs to reform, they have failed to listen to their base time and again, so the only option they’ve left people is withholding their votes. No amount of vote shaming and “long progress” backwards will cut it.

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      We had only once in US history a candidate who was not committed to peaceful transfer of power and who incited insurrection. No, not every election you have a choice to vote for or against such candidate.

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    Thank you for posting this. I’ve put it on my FB page (very tiny, family and close friends only). My Bernie loving friends who won’t vote for Biden because he’s too conservative or whatever need to see it. And my conservative family members who consider themselves trump loving patriots need to understand the consequences. I captioned it “If you believe in democracy, please vote to support it.”

    If we’re going to keep Trump from a 2nd term, each of us needs to do what we can to convince all our friends and family to vote in support of democracy.

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      The DNC chose to elect Trump in 2024 when they pulled their shenanigans against Bernie in 2018. They squandered 2020 on a minimum-viable candidate and now that re-election has come due they’re lashing out at everyone except their own sycophants.

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      He does. It’s the reason he’s running again, he believes he can beat Trump (and that he might be the only one who can).

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        If he realized that, he’d have pushed the DNC to start promoting a better candidate two years ago.

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              It is bad in Gaza and I agree with Bernie that Biden should stop funding Israel however the hyperbole of “genocide” is devaluing the word.

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                For a more informative explanation of this chart, and what’s right, and what’s wrong:

                • After the 6 Day War in 1967, when Israel attacked 3 of its neighboring countries, many of those countries and other states either allied to them or sympathetic, DID actively persecute and expel large parts of their Jewish populations, and seized their homes and valuables. That WAS ethnic cleansing.
                • In the 1948 Palestine War, Israel violently displaced 750,000 Palestinians, which was more than half of the population, and the military and settler militias killed many thousands more. That was ALSO ethnic cleansing. This is completely erased by this chart.
                • In the 2023-2024 Israel-Gaza conflict, Israel has displaced over half of Palestinians in Gaza, destroyed their homes and livelihoods, and targeted essential infrastructure like water and power, and denied food entry, in order to make Gaza unlivable. This is ALSO ethnic cleansing. This is also completely erased by this chart.

                The chart is inherently biased by another key point, which is that ethnic cleansing is not based on national borders. A UN commission of experts on humanitarian law violations defines Ethnic Cleansing as: “…a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”

                The Commission of Experts also stated that the coercive practices used to remove the civilian population can include: murder, torture, arbitrary arrest and detention, extrajudicial executions, rape and sexual assaults, severe physical injury to civilians, confinement of civilian population in ghetto areas, forcible removal, displacement and deportation of civilian population, deliberate military attacks or threats of attacks on civilians and civilian areas, use of civilians as human shields, destruction of property, robbery of personal property, attacks on hospitals, medical personnel, and locations with the Red Cross/Red Crescent emblem, among others.

                The UN themselves has identified Israel’s action in Gaza in 2023-2024 as an ethnic cleansing.

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                  Yeah I would call myself a Zionist because it merely means I think they deserve to live in that area. Not exclusively like “from the river to the sea” or anything. A two state solution is Zionist.