• Pantherina@feddit.de
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    5 months ago

    Revenge. How should killing a person make it better?

    And war, some rich people profit, normal people die

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    Murdering women by not allowing them to get abortions when every doctor involved says she will die without care.

    Abortion? Fetus dies.

    No abortion? Fetus and woman dies.

    I see no reason to go with #2 without assuming they just flat out hate women.

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        Brave of you to assume fetuses can crawl… in nearly all stages of development there are no developed locomotion muscles.

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        That’s an interesting point, and would make a dope video art exhibit. I’m not sure cuteness is quite philosophically sound as a way to measure personhood, though.

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        That’s not a good argument, nor true.

        A foetus is the stage after the embryo, when organogenesis is done meaning tissue and organs have formed, right up to the point of delivery.

        This means at delivery, a foetus becomes a baby by coming out, no other changes.

        So i wouldn’t really call that difference relevant in a moral debate. The stages of development or number of weeks is, but you can’t really distinguish the two without this specification.

        That’s why where i live we allow 14 weeks after the first absence of periods for example.

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      Someone trying to kill me or my kids. Maybe I’d still die but I’m taking that person with me.

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            5 months ago

            I mean stuff like knocking them out, tieing them up etc. not just flat out murder people. What the hell?!

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            There’s a broad spectrum between reason and murder. You could tackle them, or bonk them with a stick, or distract them with shiny objects.

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              It’s really hard to say without being in that specific situation, but if someone was literally trying to kill me my only goal would be to put them down and make sure they’re not getting up to try again.

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      This is mind blowing to me. I understand different perspective and everything and am not trying to knock anyone that genuinely and whole heartedly gets into it. But I cant wrap my head around “X knows best so we must kill for them because they taught us that way.” Like there’s actually people that think like that while acting like they are their own individual and not just a cog in someone else’s game.

      On the other hand some people grow up in that culture and are that. Those are the real ones.

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      Fucking hell America. That wasn’t even the only shooting of a young person that week. From the Wikipedia page about one of the other shootings:

      The shooting gained notoriety for being one of four shootings that occurred in a one-week period in the US that were characterized by young people being met with gunfire after making a mistake.

      Oh, and one of the other ones involved a 6 year old child and her parents after a basketball they were playing with rolled down the street and onto his property. Nobody died, thank the gods, but the guy who did that one was already out on bail for domestic abuse/assault.

      What the fuck is wrong with that country that shit like this can happen and it doesn’t step back and reevaluate its relationship to guns?

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        Listen, I think there should be a lot more regulation of guns in America. But just from a media literacy standpoint, can we not take two incidents as a statement about every American?

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          This was four separate incidents in one week.

          And I know that there are some Americans who want to see change, but the fact is that as a society you’ve gone for decades knowing this was a problem and deciding you’d rather keep the problem than fix it. I feel for those Americans who are more sane, I really do. Certainly I don’t agree with everything my government has done or is doing. But I also wouldn’t take it as a personal insult if someone were to say “wtf Australia” when criticising that government’s decisions, because it would be accurate.

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            You’re right it’s appropriate to say “wtf America” about gun violence generally. I think what I was stuck on is while extremely fucked up that someone shot a person for turning around in their driveway, in a country of over 300 million people that particular thing is still a fluke. I hadn’t heard of the other incidents mentioned in that Wikipedia article until you said there were four.

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            This is the eternal stalemate of our two party system. Everyone agrees that there are many big obvious problems that need addressing, both parties want to solve it their own way, but (for better and worse) both only have the power to prevent the other from doing anything.