A 6th grade girls team from Kentucky was set to go for the year-end championship tournament, but was told they were banned due to fears boys teams might ‘retaliate’ if they lost to the girls team.
Regardless of the prejudice angle in this story, I feel bad for the girls for being excluded from possibly winning the championship, especially when they were performing well.
Honestly curious about the downvote on that comment?
Don’t worry about it, some people just throw downvotes around everywhere. You could make the least divisive post possible that everyone universally could agree is correct and still get a downvote, so it’s best to just ignore it. This is especially true on news communities, infamously the preferred hunting grounds of many a troll.
Thanks for replying. I’m honestly not worried about it, just really curious. I like to know if there’s something missing in my perception of the comment I made, basically.
I figure my comment hasn’t been noticed unless I have the validation downvote.
Fair enough, but it’s just so weird.
Like what is that? Just some automated system response, making sure there’s always at least one downvote on anyone’s comment?
I’m being facetious, but you get my point. It’s just so out of left field, it just makes you wonder.
I posted a screenshot of my Linux desktop in a thread about Linux desktops. Got several upvotes and one downvote. Don’t know.
One of top posts here is selective as fuxk quoting only the president’s backpedalling after their official initi statement being the fear of retaliation. I’m getting way too annoyed watching the upvotes (aka misinformation) grow just because this asshat added a quote.
Oh by the way, thisteam.- the president - coached one of the boy teams that played against the girls team. And they are trying to say it took time to realize, to justify why they were allowed to play up until the championships. FFS this is garbage sportmanship
Oh by the way, sunderman.- the president - coached one of the boy teams that played against the girls team. And they are trying to say it took time to realize, to justify why they were allowed to play up until the championships. FFS this is garbage sportmanship
You should include the whole context if you want to note that. The game he coached against was the first game and the girl’s team roster was all boys. After that game they switched out the boys for girls. The whole situation is still dumb.
I feel like we’re not getting the whole story.
I feel like you’re trolling
There are people who firmly believe women can never outcompete men due to biology. With some outliers, this is currently true within a defined age range and only in certain sports (there are several where women routinely outclass men). In 6th grade a good chunk of the boys haven’t hit puberty yet and you can easily find girls who are stronger, faster, and more athletic than boys in their cohort because everyone is still developing. The boys getting beat right now could hit a growth spurt next week and play in the NBA.
The point is at this age, the kids are actually pretty evenly matched. If the boys have a violence problem, they should be banned from playing till they fix it. Otherwise this league head should shut the fuck up.
In which sports do women routinely outclass men?
Sixth grade basketball it looks like…
In sixth grade at most schools? Probably most of them. That’s right around when most boys just start hitting puberty and girls tend to generally be bigger and more athletic than boys until then.
In general? Gymnastics, figure skating, cheerleading, skiing (best downhill skier in the world is a woman)…
That’s not how any of this works.
For example your skiing example: Mikaela Shiffrin is the best skier in the world based on wins (as she won a fuckton of competitions in several different event types). But those were all wins against other women. If she directly competed against men she’d probably lose if it’s a 1:1 downhill race for example. This is why there are articles like this, where people are hyped that she’s ‘close’ to male skiers in times.
There’s also instances of highschool basketball where female teams got beat by male teams several years younger than them. Of course puberty gives a boost, but it’s not this magical thing that suddenly sets males and females apart https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34032904/
You’re pulling out scheduling studies to defend the hyper masculinity of middle school age sports.
The president’s team got beaten by girls, and now he’s throwing a hissy fit because they’re going to beat him again in the tournament. Don’t project your own fragile masculinity on the next generation.
Actually, that’s the twist in this story. The president’s team was beaten by boys who were then subbed out for girls later.
Just another reminder that sports are segregated by gender because men got upset at women beating them, not because of “muh muscle mass” or “muh bone density”.
It’s why Chess is fucking segregated by gender. The most “giga brained chess grandmasters” didn’t like being beaten by women.
For example, Judit Polgar. Chess grandmaster, and excellent player, her highest rank in unsegregated rankings, like maybe top 100 right? Yeah, by age 12 she was 55th. Peak she was 8th in the world. Not 8th among women, among men and women.
It’s unsettling how she was regarded by some, and this was in the 90s. If I remember right, even Kasparov was less than kind. He might have turned around in his later years.
If I remember right, even Kasparov was less than kind. He might have turned around in his later years.
You say that in past tense as if he’s dead or something, but Russia put him on its list of “terrorists and extremists” only a few days ago. I dunno if he’s still bigoted against women chess players, but as an anti-Putin activist he can’t be all bad.
Not intentionally.
I noticed a long time ago that there is “basketball” and “women’s basketball” and have considered so much of sports machismo being about male fragility ever since.
Be the change you want to see in the world. Call both of them basketball or gender identify both. In other sports, like the Olympics or Xgames, they identify each section by gender, which makes sense in describing what’s happening.
I can’t change the fact that there’s the NBA and the WNBA.
Until they make it the WNBA and the MNBA, my point stands.
The NBA has been around since 1946, and the WNBA was introduced in 1996. They could have rebranded the NBA at that time I suppose, but the league was under no obligation to and why should they? If someone else spins up a business , I shouldn’t have to change my name to accommodate them. I’m going to assume in most cases where the sport league is gendered, it’s because one league existed prior to the other like in basketball.
but the league was under no obligation to and why should they
Gender equality.
It’s not inequality to identify the different leagues. They could have been the, “Alternate National Basketball League” if they wanted, but instead opted to use a clearer descriptor. Also, just because it’s labeled, doesn’t make it anything lesser and it’s not insulting, it’s just a literal description of what it is. In internal competition, they are identified as men’s and women’s sports, but it would be nonsensical to rebrand a league just because a different league uses a more specific name.
“It would be nonsensical to rebrand” was also what I heard about the Washington Redskins.
Nobody actually cares about women’s basketball. Do you watch WNBA?
I don’t watch basketball at all, but what is your explanation for that?
For some sports yes. Chess is bullshit, as is shooting and a couple of others.
Most sports are based on physical strength though, and men would dominate them.
This girls team was winning because the boys haven’t gone through puberty yet. Not saying it was ok to ban them, but it’s false to claim that differences in bone mass and muscle density are imaginary. It just doesn’t happen until after puberty.
And chess isn’t exactly segregated by gender. The women’s league exists to make women in chess more visible, to make it easier to pursue sponsorships, and to encourage more women to join the game. But women are free to compete in the “men’s” category (which is actually called the “open” category), and often do. The reasons women haven’t gotten to the top of it yet are cultural; women are discouraged from starting to play the game at a young age as all the top players do, and so far fewer women attempt the climb in the first place. But it will happen eventually.
Now if you want to talk about how transphobic FIDE is, there’s some real merit in those accusations. Their rules around people who are transitioning are nonsensical, punishing people for absolutely no reason. But the women’s league itself exists for good reasons.
Yeah, the story clicked when I saw it was 6th grade kids. From the headline I’d assume late teens.
If it was 4th grade it wouldn’t have been an issue, but basketball is a very height based sport.
This is a super good point. When my daughter went to 6th grade the girls towered over the boys by more than a foot in many cases. The boys looked so little.
Howdy queue -
From where does your belief arise?
I asked (in a left-leaning space) whether sports segregation was sexist, and it was explained to me it was necessary.
Just like it’s hard to argue men aren’t massively bigger murderers than women, I thought there was no contest in the majority of sports too.
I see claims like “no woman in the world is competitive with any top-rated male athlete in any sport except shooting.” redditors add equestrian sports and a few others to the mix (SafeReddit source).
Everyone deserves visibility, and segregation apparently helps.
From Wiki:
In tennis, “Battle of the Sexes” describes various exhibition matches played between a man and a woman, or a doubles match between two men and two women in one case. The term is most famously used for an internationally televised match in 1973 held at the Houston Astrodome between 55-year-old Bobby Riggs and 29-year-old Billie Jean King, which King won in three sets. The match was viewed by an estimated fifty million people in the United States and ninety million worldwide. King’s win is considered a milestone in public acceptance of women’s tennis.
https://theworld.org/stories/2016-08-17/see-120-years-struggle-gender-equality-olympics
Margaret Murdock from the US won a silver in a tie in the 1976 Riffle Event, one of the events in the shooting categories. The rifle event was split into men’s and women’s events in 1984.
My favorite sport to watch is girls volleyball…I don’t like to watch sports in general
Most people treat me like a creep when I bring it up, but it’s way more dynamic and interesting than men’s volleyball. I used to scorekeep the sport, women’s volleyball is just more entertaining
IDGAF about basketball to start with, but if the boys can’t compete we should throw them by the wayside. I don’t get why this is even a question
I like men’s sports only, I think girl sports suck.
Is this ok to feel? Or are my feelings invalid, and I’m a woman hating psychopath who should kill myself?
I will let your raging downvotes decide.
I’ve given it some time… Look at your votes. For the record, I didn’t participate
You turned a very average, very mediocre stance into a way to victimize yourself.
“I don’t like women’s sports” is a valid take, "women’s sports suck " is a trash opinion.
No, proven a point that online outrage movement still has no arguments, and zero ctitical thinking skills. Nice jumping to conclusions though.
Again, look at your votes - your comment is still sitting at 2 votes. Presumably, one person upvoted you
Hell, I’d go as far as to say “women’s sports are boring” is the mainstream opinion.
No Internet outrage movement took place here… No one tried to offer you empty arguments or dogpile you with a lack of critical thinking skills.
Whoever you expected to fight didn’t show up.
Either they’re not here, they don’t exist, or their beliefs aren’t quite what you think they are
Or they refused to entertain me, which is quite some progress if you ask me considering the usual outrage the second the word “woman”, “gay”, or “trans” appears in a sentence.
Yes. Both indoor and beach. Those women are amazing athletes.
If people’s first thought about women’s volleyball is that it’s purely a sport for Voyeurism, then that’s their bag to unpack on their own time. I watch Women’s Gymnastics and Figure Skating since my wife got me into it and I won’t entertain that shit with my friends. If I wanted to watch something just because there’s hot people in it, then I’ll just watch some regular ass porn.
I definitely won’t shy away from the fact that there are incredibly attractive women participating at an elite level in these sports, but I’m all about equal opportunity and will also absolutely recognize some hot bros doing gymnastics and figure skating. Usually shuts people up when I start talking about how hot football players are on the team they like to rattle on about forever.
If people’s first thought about women’s volleyball is that it’s purely a sport for Voyeurism, then that’s their bag to unpack on their own time.
Tell that to the International Volleyball Federation who mandated bikinis for female beach volleyball players until last year.
Which is an entirely different format to general women’s volleyball…
Y’all Qaeda strikes again.
God damn Talibangelicals and their Shakira law.
Hymns don’t lie 🎶
Typical “alpha male” response
cue counterstrike audio: “Terrorists Win”
Boys Basketball Team Kicked Out Of Girls League Championship After Defeating Girls Teams.
If this headline would look like that and you would react differently, regardless of how you have reacted to the original, I think there is something wrong with you view.
It’s the exact opposite. Your view is wildly skewed
At their age girls have a significant height advantage over boys.
It’s literally the same thing, unfair biological advantage.
Sounds like the boys forfeit and the girls won
Yeah this lines up with the fact that trans women are bad at sports. Conservatives have it all backwards
How come women don’t compete with men professionally, then?
WOOSH
Care to elaborate?
Or did I just say something you didn’t like? Lol.
You didn’t even understand the comment you replied to. Why should I clarify your willful ignorance for you?
This is how most sex segregated sports came about
- women beats men
- women banned
- segregated division created because of “biological differences”
Lol, what?
Cherrypicking
I wonder why people are downvoting your comment. It’s literally what happened. See for instance this paper on the history of gender segregation in the Olympics: https://theworld.org/stories/2016-08-17/see-120-years-struggle-gender-equality-olympics.
Quote: “Margaret Murdock from the US won a silver in a tie in the 1976 Riffle Event, one of the events in the shooting categories. The rifle event was split into men’s and women’s events in 1984.”
She got a silver and 8 years later it was split into men and women’s events?
She didn’t even win…
It’s sad the mental gymnastics and revisionist history you all perpetuate to support your biased agenda.
Just another reason why the vast majority of people on these forums are not worth taking seriously.
For someone with such issues with the forum, you seem to be doing a lot of whining and not much leaving.
Why would I stop participating because ya’ll are a bunch of dunces?
That’s how you win and shut me out of the conversation, lol. Which is exactly what you’re trying to do.
That’s how you win and shut me out of the conversation, lol. Which is exactly what you’re trying to do.
People tend to do that to ya when you’re personality is centered around being wrong and obnoxious.
But I’m correct and respectful.
I’m just saying things you don’t like, which is why you try to shut me out of the conversation.
I see it all the time and don’t expect more from people like you.
“I’m respectful”
“I don’t expect more from people like you”
Sure buddy. Whatever helps your obnoxious and wrong misogynistic brain sleep at night.
I suspect because this being what has happened in “most sex segregated sports” is a very very bold assertion. In which of those sports are women holding top positions? I mean women athletes are awesome, but the idea that separation happens because the poor men can’t keep up is just… I don’t know, maybe I’m a confused old man.
But I thought it was so that women could compete at the top levels of their sport in sports where their times, weights, etc. are not really proximal. They should of course be combined where the physical implications are negligible, but the idea that what’s preventing that is that the men just can’t compete with the women seems strange to me.
But is there some support for that?
Sports without contact mechanics I’ve always wondered why the split. Like men’s and women’s chess… what?
But men’s and women’s football? That kind of makes sense, not saying women’s should be banned from the men’s leagues, but let them make that choice themselves
Women’s chess leagues exist for women who want to compete without facing misogynistic behavior. They can also compete against men, however, unlike in other sports, and many do. If you ask me, what should have been done from the start would have been tackling the misoginy.
I think it is a bit more difficult than that. I have really enjoywd watching downhill bike racing in the past, and both the men’s and women’s races are incredible.
If you don’t know, It is a single rider time trial down incredibly technical courses on a mountain bike.
Unfortunately I don’t think it would be good to mix men and women, because the men are faster. This year’s world champs race had the men finishing 30s faster, the fastest woman would have been 66th. Results
I would love to see more mixed competitions in the elite level of sports where it makes sense.
I often think of the Olympic skier that was interviewed by NPR a few years ago. She described how the boys around her were encouraged to do riskier jumps, whereas when she’d bring it up coaches, parents etc would all express concern about “what if you get hurt?”
There are a lot of social factors I think we should consider before writing women off as inherently lesser in competitive sports. We don’t know how many women are held back by these narratives if they aren’t even given the chance. Even if it’s the case now, I really wonder how much is purely biological
Sports without contact mechanics I’ve always wondered why the split
Look at world records for any sport that requires raw strength/power, speed, and endurance. The split is pretty extreme. The marathon world record is 2:00:35, set in 2023. The women’s world record is 2:17:42, 13% slower. For the 100m, the top time is 9.58s for men. Over 180 men have broken the 10 second barrier. The top woman is 10.49; no woman has ever broken the 10 second barrier. Given that power lifting is harder to do direct comparisons (…in a way that readily makes sense to people that aren’t competitive power lifters…), I’ll just note that it’s not even close.
Any sport that has a significant speed, endurance, or strength component is going to tend to be dominated by men. When it’s purely a skill issue, the splits are much more even. When you look at archery, for instance, women sometimes beat men; the split is fairly even.
In a lot of ways, it makes sense to have a hard gender split in sports, and not try to make a solid delineation between what sports require enough skill to overcome a physical gap versus which ones don’t.
Even then. They’re 11 years old here.
How about policing the boys’ damned behavior for one fucking time in their lives, then?
They’d have to not agree with the behavior in the first place.
Sorry, but boys-will-be-boys. So we have to ban girls from competing, because we literally cannot continence telling any of our precious little superstars to cut that shit out.
I sort of realize that if I was on a team of guys and learned that we were going to face a team of girls, it’d be a lose-lose scenario. Either we beat up a bunch of girls trying their best, and “celebrate” over defeating a group that has (on average) physical strength disadvantages, OR we’re mocked for losing to girls.
The premise of most athletic competitions would be that it’s a fight on generally equal footing. Either way that becomes imbalanced, it can perhaps ruin the feeling. Still sucks that the girls didn’t get to demonstrate themselves there.
If the 6th grade boys teams might retaliate because they lost a game, they got some shitty coaches that haven’t instilled a sense of sportsmanship into them.
That’s 11 years old.
Okay let’s hear all the excuses for 11 year olds needing to be super competitive and separated by gender.
At 11, girls tend to be taller than boys. So all that estrogen is providing them with a competitive advantage.
Which we care about… Why? Is there some million dollar prize for 11 year old basketball I’m not aware of?
Then you can’t have it both ways when they get to high school. Or are you saying Girl Sports shouldn’t exist? If a girl can’t compete in high school basketball against boys, then too bad?
School sports shouldn’t be competitive in the same way. It’s not the point of student sports. That’s for learning to operate in a team, learning social dynamics, building hand-eye coordination, and physical fitness.
But this wasn’t a school league. So for apples to apples, yes once they reach high school age in private leagues they should be grouped by ability.
Then they should make 2 leagues: one where everyone is allowed to participate, and another one where only boys can participate, so they can win too. Just like we have with every sport’s women’s league.
Of course the prizes in the boys-only league should be lower since they play in a less competitive league.
Of course the prizes in the boys-only league should be lower since they play in a less competitive league.
Sadly, the way these things tend to work is that a handful of patriarchs make all the rules, from who gets to play to what goes in the prize pool.
