Actually, no need for de-bloat scripts, a lot of those break more than they fix.
O&O shutup 10, simplewall, And I think O&O makes something like “AppBuster” or something for getting rid of stubborn metro apps.
Also…don’t disable windows updates, delay feature updates by 365 days, delay quality updates by 30 days and install security updates right away. If you don’t have windows 10 or 11 pro, there’s a program called “policy plus” Britec09 also has a guide for “how to only install security updates in windows 10” the guide also applies to windows 11
Why use debloat anything… scripts or apps, regardless. Why not just use LTSC? It’s debloated by default. No MS Store, no Metro Apps, just the Settings one (it has to have that), everything else is pretty much standard for Windows.
You mean windows 11 lite? I don’t know if you’ve heard, but the publisher that makes that might be doing something nefarious with that OS. Even more insidious than what can easily be disabled in the official windows 11 and 10
The reality is, for 98% plus of windows users, NONE of that matters. MS could give a shit about tech. nerds that want to de-bloat, reduce resources, install crazy niche thingyawidget…
Pretty much everyone in this community is not their target.
Car analogy! You are car guys running custom block modified street racers shitting on electric cars…
Considering many electric cars also spy on their users and have anti-features, it’s probably a good analogy :)
Good old transportation analogies, we can make up anything with them.
Fedora/Mint is a free (electric) bike. Arch is free system to order bike parts and instruction how to assembly whole one yourself for free. Gentoo is an automatic parts molding machine. Linux From Scratch is a book about bikes. Windows is a Segway.
“Bikes are only free if you don’t value you time” “Segway 10 is much easier to use, buttons are more intuitive than manual steering and if you know this Konami code you can ride without an account too!”
I believe that, in life, among the worst qualities is the obtuseness of those who do not make an effort to understand the reasons for things and settle on a reality of simplifications and superficiality. Linux has the educational merit of forcing us to dig beyond that superficial layer.
(Sorry for my poor english)
This is rage bait
I know instantly how to get the packages I need in Linux but I had to do some research to enable the webcam in Windows 10.
The idea that one OS is easier than the other is misattributed familiarity.
The idea that one OS is easier than the other is misattributed familiarity.
Exactly. OP’s meme makes no sense to me. My experience has been that using Linux is a never ending series of file not found and access denied errors.
And you never dug any further to see WHY you’re being denied access or WHY that file is not found.
Simple example, some distros will block regular user access to
/root. That doesn’t mean that you can’t access those files, it just means that YOUR user can’t see them WHILE you’re logged in with that user… which is why bash file/dir completion will not work if you cd to/root/path/to/dir. Log in as root in the terminal and it works just fine. Some even might out right not see the files if you’re logged in as a user, instead of root, regardless if that user in the sudoers file or not (you type in the exact path to a dir/file in the terminal and it won’t open/cd to it). In those cases, even sudo won’t work for some things, you just HAVE TO work with root.To be honest, this is very rare and has happened to me like once or twice (on some distros). In most situations/distros, sudo will work just fine.
How do you know if you don’t already know the package name?
I have to always Google for the package name, which similarly is what I do to find a Windows installer but instead of the name it’s download link.
apt search KEYWORDOr
dnf search KEYWORDOr
pacman -Ss KEYWORD
I discovered yesterday that Windows has a command line package manager in Powershell that can install, uninstall and update basically every software you might ever want to install on a Windows PC.
winget search ""
winget list
winget upgradeThey pulled a corporate and rewrote an opensource project to embed it into windows
They pulled a corporate and rewrote an opensource project to embed it into windows
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I love it when people get pissed off about nothing that even affects them.
I own my own instance. Your “license” is not accepted. Your instance sharing content with mine is an automatic agreement to my instance’s terms.
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See how silly this is? Your license means nothing. It’s just wasted screen space. And nobody is pissed. People are just trying to talk sense to you.
idgaf
Yes sir I’m super pissed off how dare you do something goofy on the internet!
I had a feeling this tool and its syntax was much too simple and elegant for it to be created by Microsoft.
I actually thought PS was gonna be better than cmd… turns out consistency is a lot better in cmd… can’t make heads or tails in PS. I still use cmd to invoke stuff in PS, but only if there is no other way.
Well, it’s under a permissive license, so there is little he can do legally, except maybe sue them for not mentioning the original project, which I’m sure they will add and that will be that eventually.
That’s true. A little recognition would’ve been nice and I think that’s all he was asking for. Microsoft had a whole team work on it when they could’ve just given him a job to maintain it.
Or use ltsc like a chad
LTSC gang
I have also mentioned this on more than a few occasions. I dual boot (very rarely to Windows nowadays) and I always use LTSC installs on all my dual boot setups. 0 problems thus far regarding GRUB and other Windows update related issues.
I still don’t know why people use Pro… maybe LTSC is more niche than I thought and MS is not pushing ads for that one out there.
A lot of misinformation for ltsc, people thinking its only for kiosks and cant be used as a daily.
Given the choice for sketchy script messing with registry or sketchy key I’m going sketchy key, at least I know windows iso is legitimate, crazy so few know of ltsc and choose the latter.
Yeah, I’m surprised as well. Not enough research I guess… MS is very clear about what LTSC is and what it’s not, as well as what it can do and what not.
Oh well, I spread the word when and where I can, will keep doing so. I hope dual booters catch on the LTSC installs and have less problems with GRUB.
windows sucks ass for this exact reason but linux is definitely complicated and filled with weird bugs as well lol. i guess those bugs are better than spyware though
At least with linux you know it’s because it is maintained by the community which doesn’t have the backing of a billion dollar multinational corporation to throw money at programmers. Microsoft on the other hand, has much less of an excuse, and most of their problems aren’t glitches, they’re “features.”
I recently discovered, after a while of wondering why the audio quality in windows was worse than fedora that the automatic windows audio enhancements actually made the audio significantly worse 😅 meanwhile I still haven’t figured out how to stop windows from randomly switching the audio source from my headphones to my nonexistent display monitor audio.
Open device manager, goto audio devices,then disable the audio driver for your monitor. Simple
Simple
it would be “simple”, if start->settings wouldn’t point me in an completely wrong direction. As it is, you need to know the secret phrase “device manager” (or “control panel” or “management console”) to find the hidden settings-dialogs that will actually solve the problem.
Or you could right click the speaker icon in the taskbar
That’s another secret you must remember.
The great thing about Linux is if something has weird behavior and you’re already exhausted all possible options to solve it, it is still possible to figure it out on your own because the source code is available.
I still don’t know how windows people figure out how to fix such and such problems on windows with some registry entries. Did they ask a Microsoft employee, or did they mess around with the registry blindly until it’s magically fixed?
I’m not a super casual user, but there’s no way in hell I’m going to try to dive into source to try to understand a bug in my OS. I’m just going to work around it and never think of it again.
You may feel that way, but not every power user is like you. Linux distro is not a monolith, it’s made up of thousands of small components made by different people and organizations. If you look at some of those components source control (e.g. on GitHub or GitLab), you’ll see a large portion of pull requests are done by their users who found bugs and decided to submit a fix themselves. For example, just look at how many pull requests libgweather got, and they’re mostly submitted by gnome users who were mildly annoyed with the weather app.
Windows and Linux are both easy to use… Provided that everything works out of the box.
Once you have to actually start solving problems, Windows really starts to fall down because you have to spend ages looking through settings and perhaps installing tools like bcd editors. Like seriously, the number of places you can manage your microphone settings are insane.
At this point, I think the only people that say Windows is easier are those that have never had to reinstall it or who have been using it since the XP days and haven’t realised that it is all learned knowledge.
I certainly think Linux tooling could be improved (a graphical fstab editor would be nice), but I struggle to see how troubleshooting in Windows is any easier than Linux.
Windows 7 was usable. The ten different places to hide settings started with 8 iirc. But I haven’t used Windows in almost a decade, so I might be wrong.
No, you’re on the money here. 7 at least had a consistent UI. It wasn’t super pretty if we’re all being honest with ourselves (the control panel is an ugly and clunky way of doing things compared to KDE’s settings menu, for example), but it was all very functional, fairly well organized, and generally there was one setting for everything, in one place. And to be fair, KDE and Gnome were a lot clunker back then too.
The problems started with 8, because they had the idea to rework this old, ugly UI, but completely half-assed it, so rather than totally replacing every old UI element they just built new ones and ran them in parallel with the old ones, and any settings that didn’t seem super important or useful to most people got ignored because hey, it’s still in the old UI, people can just go there. And this problem has persisted right through into 11, albeit with gradual improvements.
Linux applications often give you some descriptive error that you can paste into an internet search and usually find someone who had the same problem.
Windows applications just stop working and say “UNEXPECTED ERROR” or smth. Like thanks you literally didn’t help at all.
My cousin had an old Dell that had an HDD with that “optane” crap, you know a 16GB NVMe “cache” that allegedly did anything. I was going to pull that out, put in a proper NVMe drive, leave the old hard drive in there as additional space, and install Windows 10.
There are apparently BIOS settings that need to be altered for this to work, and Windows would throw "UNEXPECTED ERROR 0x1C4B332AFE943CE2C4 or something to that effect and wouldn’t finish installing. Mind you, you don’t get a usable Windows environment, so you have to copy that long string of text by hand into another device to find…nothing. Nearly no results out there.
After awhile of trying to get a functioning Windows install media (which is difficult to do from a Linux machine. Way to go burning that bridge, Microsoft) I eventually decided to put Mint on this thing, which also gave an error. This error read something like “Unable to install, probably because there’s a problem with the NVMe storage settings, you may need to disable TLVRQ (or whatever the generic term for Optane was) and try again. See this page in the Wiki for more information.” And it gave a link to that page, because of course we’re booted into a fully functioning live environment with internet access and a web browser, and it also gave a QR code link to that same wiki page so you could view it on mobile.
Microsoft isn’t even trying anymore.
That’s potentially my biggest issue woth Windows. You aren’t actually made to understand what went wrong. Linux will give you lots of information. It can be overwhelming if you’re just used to seeing “This app stopped working, wait or close it?”, but once you’re used to it, you realize that info usually give you all the tools you need to fix your problem.
but once you’re used to it, you realize that info usually give you all the tools you need to fix your problem.
That’s the thing right? I’m very much a non-tech person. But Linux error messages are nice and informative to the point that, even if I don’t personally know what the fuck they are saying –
– I can just copy them to my browser search bar. Oh look, someone else had the same issue. And someone who knew what they were talking about presented a solution. Nice, now I can get back to work!
And even when I am forced to troubleshoot on my own, the error messages and terminal logs often give enough of a clue that I can trial-and-error my way into making shit work.
What… you don’t like the smiley face and QR code that leads you to a dead link on a rando microsoft website? You sure you need more information other than “Critical Process Died”?
Agreed. Linux troubleshooting is easier for sure, assuming you know your way around a terminal. Many beginners tremble in fear when they see it. In windows nearly everything is labeled and clickable… removing the need to memorize commands.
Interestingly, I like to keep my network connected devices up to date. Why would I disable that on any OS?
For me, candy crush et al was never installed on my Windows computers by default, both on home and pro versions. There were install shortcuts, but never the actual programs themselves.
I expect a modern computer to be able to do whatever updates it wants in the background, and apply any kernel changes when I restart it. Ubuntu has been able to do both for years.
Actually, Linux in general, not just Ubuntu. You could even update the app while running said app (like your browser). It won’t crash, you just have to restart it in order to use the new version. You could literally be running every single app that the update updates and it won’t crash. Once loaded in RAM, there is nothing tying it to the place where it resides on disk. You could even delete the binary if you’d like, it would still keep running… unless you close it, then you won’t be able to run it again, lol 😂. There are a few exceptions though, like services (daemons), but that is only in systemd land, other init/service managers will allow you to just restart the service and load the new updated version of it.
Not true , Show me on Linux except may be one or two flavours how to add program in start-up, a windows 98 and windows 11 has same place and is all known. Show me how to mount drive so that it will be available for ALL the apps I install, without touching terminal in Linux , unlike plug and use in windows
Just stop saying Ng Linux is better , it’s not for regular use . I know you dudebros will get hurt and downvote me . Linux is not easy, does not have MANY MANY Utilities which are present for windows and it’s just not usable for users .
Ok Linus
Unpopular opinion: The Windows Registry, a centralized, strongly typed key:value database for application settings, is actually superior to hundreds of individual dotfiles, each one written in its own janky customized DSL, with its own idea of where it should live in the file system, etc.
That is true.
But, due to the nature of how it works, it can be also used to hide data that the user “should not be aware of”.
So can a dotfile, or any other kind of storage. There’s really nothing inherently bad about the registry. Its reputation as a place to hide things in is equal parts selection bias, users’ lack of technical understanding, and the marketing of “registry cleaner” apps.
Which is why I prefer NixOS (I use NixOS btw)
I agreee with you on the side of the concept, but the way it is organised and the potential values seem to make no intuitive sense (if they make any)
btw i use Nixos
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The language itself has no type enforcement, the type checking is implemented within nixpkgs. This might seem like pedantry, but it really matters for things like LSPs (text editor autocomplete). I think that’s what scares some people off: it’s like OG Minecraft, you need to have the wiki/search.nixos.org open while you are doing your editing.
That being said, the type checking goes much deeper than what the windows registry does - e.g. it won’t allow you to enable conflicting services - like grub and systemd-boot - at the same time.
You right click the candy crush icon and press remove.
Whotf does the other two things?
Linux soy boys pushin lies
I don’t know about the windows stuff, haven’t used it in years. But back in the day installing Ubuntu was super easy (just boot from USB stick and install and mostly everything works). But a fresh windows install was a real pain like downloading drivers for all your hardware etc.
Nowadays it’s pretty easy in both cases I guess.
Ya I remember installing drivers for 95 etc.
Computers were a lot different to work with back then .
I mean, you don’t HAVE to do any of that stuff in Windows, it’s just helps a bit.
I’m sure there are plenty of windows horror stories. But almost every Windows computer I’ve had in the last decade, both custom and OEM, has worked pretty well out of the box. And almost every Ubuntu computer I’ve had over the last decade has had problems that weren’t trivial to fix.
I like Linux, but when people compare these problems like they’re the same just are missing the point.
Yep exactly this. The user friendliness and likeliness it just works is much higher for Windows.
If it doesn’t work for Linux I’ve found it also will generally take much longer to figure out and fix.
Sure because
Error Code 0x8007057tells you immediately how to solve the problem.Linux error messages like
error: kex_exchange_identification: client sent invalid protocol identifier "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.1"are completely arcane tough.I support both systems. And Linux support is so much easier. Mostly in runs out of the box. If it runs I continues to do so and If you have an error you get a specific message like above.
With such a message you either:
- See right away how to solve the problem
- Search it online and get a specific solution for exactly you problem
- Or you can ask Experts for a solution for your specific problem.
With Windows: No systems runs out of the box, I always have to install additional software (7zip, sane browser, …) and also for anybody remotely privacy concerned have to adjust many settings (for which tools exist thankfully)
If an error occurs under Windows and I get a code like above:
- I can sometimes guess by my experience what the reason is and solve it.
- If not I search the error code and circumstances which lead to it online, then apply the 20 solutions presented one by one in hope one works
- Ask experts which ask me to run a bunch of diagnostic utilities because the error message does not tell you anything. (Yes by now I can also guess which utility could provide relevant information, but not because Windows told me)
- In a noticeable amount of cases the solution is: We can not determine the reason for the error, please reset everything (First a restart, then run this cleanup tool and if this doesn’t help just reinstall!)
My experience is summed up as: -If it is broken in Linux, I will have to fix it, but with knowledge the errors are diagnosable and reparable -If it is broken in Windows, it has a decent chance that it will fix itself. However once it fails to fix itself, then it’s maddening to figure out how to repair it leading to the “screw it, just reinstall”
So if neither one breaks, congratulations, they both seem pretty solid.
If a fairly common breakage occurs, Windows looks weird but it fixes itself, Linux meanwhile bleats what is an arcane error to a non-tech person, maybe refusing to boot.
If a really stubborn breakage occurs, advantage back to Linux as at least a skilled person has a chance of repairing it.
7zip built in now, and edge is decent
Sure, but then I upgraded my working out of the box Windows 8 machine to Windows 10 and it became unusable because it has a hard drive, not an SSD. Select between running an unsupported system and being able to use your computer without it stuttering every 2 seconds…
I do admit I don’t really trust the windows upgrade process. Not for any specific reason, just vibes.
I haven’t used an HDD in a long time, so idk the current state of affairs, but when win10 first came out, HDDs were fine. That’s a bummer though, and win10 is more expensive both in the cost of the OS itself and in the hardware you need to buy for it. You can run Linux on a potato. But that’s not really the kind of issue that this post is talking about, afaict.
The true test is, would you install it for your mom. Have fun figuring out her public library and ereader shit on Linux.
I’ve installed it for my mom. She mostly just checks mail, writes some documents and browses the web. She said she didn’t notice a difference, everything worked as it should.
