My wife is heavily into police procedurals, the more bizarre and gory the better. I’m thinking of instituting a ‘no sex murder at the dinner table’ rule.
Sexist garbage. I’m a woman and i would run a mile from anyone into true crime. It’s creepy as hell.
question, out of curiosity. Because i just can’t help but get myself killed here (the irony i know)
Who are those people you would run from? Men, Women? Anybody period?
Anybody. I also hate horror movies. I know humans are violent assholes, i don’t understand the enjoyment people get out of it.
i tend not to dig into serial killer shit too much, because i feel just a little too comfortable with it.
I think this makes me functionally every womans biggest nightmare. But also a decent colleague.
I still dont know how to feel about this fact.
Women like confidence and power. Or more precisely, absolutely everybody likes confidence and power, but women are just more up front about it.
It beats the hell out of, “well today I inched my way along the tunnels of consumption and servitude, sucked a little dominance fantasy, hope I die soon…”.
“people like charisma, presumably because it’s something we’ve evolved in order to connect with each other on a more personal level”
FTFY
i’m not fixing the topic posting, you’ll have to explain that one yourself still.
Please, tell us more.
Contrapoints talked about this in her last vid, really interesting stuff!
Woman: So when you’re not swiping, what do you do?
Men 1-7: It sounds weird, but I’m really into WAR! … Christoph Waltz was sooo creepy as Hans Landa! You have to see it! … so each week both uncredentialled “historians” talk about their favorite times when thousands of men stabbed or shot each other! … and then the good guy took his gun-knife and started prying teeth and slicing ears off the dead guys… literally an entire generation of men was decimated or psychologically damaged… But [Game of Thrones/The Walking Dead/Band of Brothers] is my go-to. What do you watch?
Woman: Mostly cartoons.
More seriously, I’d guess that many, maybe even most people have some level of morbid fascination with the type of violent, high stakes scenarios that people they identify with have been subject to. It’s just kind of weird not to acknowledge that a lot of basically well-adjusted men (I flatter myself that I’m in that group) are into stuff that’s objectively terrifying.
My interest in war is that there is nothing higher stakes, it can be a fight for the survival of not just yourself but your family, community, or nation, or even our species if we are talking fiction (or global warming).
So if we were to stereotype the genders, men are typically more interested in death/violence at a humanitary level and women at a personal level.
You go into it thinking that, but then when the deification hits the oscillation, it ends up being about two things: 1) your own ass and 2) your battle buddies you deployed with.
Definitely adding “when the deification hits the oscillation” to my vernacular.
Yeah I wasn’t talking about either scenario from a participatory POV. Moreso speaking to the general interest.
You can be interested in something without wishing for it or wanting to participate. I’m sure women who listen to serial killer podcasts don’t want to be featured in one.
I was, but it was more wanting to share something about the experience rather than start a fight about it.
My apologies if it read that way.
Oh yeah, I was just clarifying my original position. I appreciate your insight.
Wow what a polite exchange on an often hot button topic!
Lemmy is wild. It’s like seeing old forums or IRC again.
I think people are interested with the extremes of the human experience in general because that’s where the toughest choices and emotions come to light
Exactly
Dan Carlin??
Yep! When he said that it made a lot of genres make sense
uncredentialled “historians”
Point of order. What credentials do you need to talk about history? Is there, like, a history license I don’t know about? Or are you just talking about a particular degree?
You didn’t have to call me out like that
You forgot to mention the Roman Empire
I’m only interested in the Roman Emperor, Marcus Aurelius because of his meditations. The things he wrote down for just himself to see are some of the most humbling passages I’ve ever come across. The exception to the rule that absolute power corrupts absolutely. A god to his people who paid a peasant to whisper in his ear to remind him he was just a man. Rome experienced a time of peace and prosperity under his rule without needless wars of conquest.
He was a good man and I aspire to be more like him.
I’m pretty sad Rome got co opted to be like a weird right ideology. I read the Percy Jackson books growing up so I’ve always been fascinated with ancient Greece and Rome.
I’m pretty sad Rome got co opted to be like a weird right ideology
Rome was think with right wing ideology for much of it’s history.
A great deal of our understanding of fascism in the modern area comes from Roman histories
Oppressive military dictatorship that really likes their military is idolized by wannabe oppressive military dictators who really like their millitary? Who’d have thought?
Oh, also the deep ties to cristianity and fascism. Inquisitions and crusades are exactly the legacy they’re after.
Said oppressive military dictatorship was also way more socialist than anything we have today.
Not sure what the point of linking a Wikipedia page for a basic fact everyone learns in 3rd grade is.
Socialism is at some point on the scale of private property is collectively managed, therefore advancing towards a classless society. A society with slaves, by definition, cannot be socialist.
I’ll shit talk the Empire all day but the Inquisitions and Crusades aren’t on them.
I suppose that’s fair, but there are a number of alarming things done in the name of the empire, especially after it fell. The whole latin influence on Europe was a net negative in my opinion. However, I can agree that blaming them for what happened later is a bit harsh.
Replace the last frame with “Mostly TNG” and this is a scary accurate boiled down representation of Lemmy.
I know TNG as The Naked Gun but I’ve never run into any TNG references on lemmy… Could it mean something else here or did I just miss out?
Maybe Star Trek: The Next Generation?
I assume this implies that there is more than one star trek, good to know
You are a weird creature that I wish to vivasect to find out how you exist.
That… Sounds unpleasant.
I’ll be back in the closet
Have you lived in a vaccuum all your life?
Man, that would suck.
I just don’t know anyone who watches star trek, it was that show that was on when there were no cartoons on rtl 2 and that’s all I know… So I never got sucked into it. Purple suits, bald guy, people with wavy foreheads, and there’s the moderator of x factor. But I can tell it apart for star wars so that’s something I guess (not that I am much more knowledgeable when it comes to star wars).
That or “mostly Linux,” and you’ve got me.
Adventure Time lore is far more complex than any true crime 😤
Also much dark… No Gunter no !
Please forgive me for, whatever I do
When I don’t remember you
🎶 Making your way in the world today takes everything you got 🎶
“When bad things happen, I know you want to believe they are a joke, but sometimes life is scary and dark. That is why we must find the light.”
I literally watched that episode yesterday lol
Base on that article basically every woman assumes men are killers and rapist. No wonder online dating always sucked. So glad I don’t do that anymore.
Guess you can’t date in the real world no more either approach a woman a bar you better have a full background check ready for them.
What article it’s a fucking comic strip…
You only ever look at the pictures, hey?
Green is not normally registered as a hyperlink when I browse, so sue me.
Alright, I’ll see you in court pal.
Not saying i agree with this guy, but the link to the guardian article is right there in the post description.
Oh shit you’re right, I didn’t realize the post description was a hyperlink, going back to fix my last post.
There’s an article linked in the post text
I assumed it was the link to the source of the strip. That’s a totally reasonable assumption
Yeah I missed that, didn’t realize it was a link. Went back to fix.
Media standards have been dropping lately…
It’s ok. We’re doing fine without you.(and I don’t think it’s the women with the problem you’re having)
Don’t worry dude, nobody wants to date you anyways :)
People are drawn to and fascinated by taboo topics, and one’s experiences and upbringing determine the relationship with those taboos a person has.
Women have personal experiences with creepy/dangerous men, it’s a “known danger” they hear about from a young age, and serial killers represent the extreme example of this – it’s not really surprising “true crime” type media is popular with women.
It’s ok to enjoy weird media, but if you’re using sensationalist narrations about very fringe cases to make generalizations about what you may or may not find in real life, you have a problem. If it makes you feel any better, most humans are generally dumb enough to fall for it from time to time, but you should still strive to do better.
Except this is a very real thing? It’s funny because there’s truth here.
Just reading through it reminded me of just last week visiting my mother and my brothers: my mom and my sister in law went on and on about the crazy ones they listened to recently.
Not judging here, but from my time on dating sites over the last decade I can offer two observations as well: a very large percentage of women seem to be literally obsessed with dogs to the point it’s the first thing mentioned on their profile, and this true crime thing is absolutely real. Nothing wrong with it, just like girls complain that every guy holds up a fish in their photos lol it’s probably a reel thing (sorry, dumb pun) but just because I dont do it doesn’t mean it isn’t overwhelming present.
I’m gonna be honest: I made this comment in response to the people in the rest of the thread claiming they used these true crime shows to “learn to look for red flags”, but if it makes you reconsider if the message of any other media is correct, I’m still fine with the result.
I’ve sat through 2 murder trials and between the testimony and pictures I can confidently say I’m really not interested in the detailed reality of horrific murders.
But to each their own, I guess.
Well don’t leave us hanging like that, did they convict you or are you planning for number 3?
(edit: fix typo)
Was the typo plotting? Please tell me it was plotting.
You know I find this to kind of be a somewhat depressing stereotype. Depressing both in the fact that these works are clearly marketed towards women as a sort of, precautionary measure against the somewhat justified paranoia, right, and the fact that this paranoia is somewhat justified is also depressing.
But it’s also depressing in that I’m pretty sure it’s not actually going to do anything to help you prevent yourself from being serially murdered, especially as I’m pretty sure serial murderers aren’t all that common. Most of these things are going to focus on your much less likely scenarios, and are going to just flood people with a sort of paranoid delusion that everyone is out to get them at all times. Which is kind of a hellish way to live your life.
I’m also not sure there’s realistically a chance most people have of catching a committed serial murderer. It’s sort of like how, the safest option for a cop to engage in, most times, is just to shoot everyone all the time, because anyone could be carrying a gun on them, and if they’re carrying a gun, then the people who win gunfights most of the time are the people who shoot first. It is very hard to protect against bad faith behavior, and against overwhelming opposing force. Or even mildly whelming force, if you’re just not really expecting it. Just as it is relatively hard for a committed, high profile criminal to escape justice for a longer period of time (especially if the cops have a good incentive to catch the perp, like, they’re a cop-killer, or a terrorist, or what have you), it is extremely hard to ensure that you’re not just gonna get taken advantage of by someone.
That’s not really to dissuade people from taking BJJ classes, or carrying pepper spray, or a whistle, or a gun on you, though, those things can still be effective and are pretty easy to integrate into your daily life. Especially in the case of BJJ, that might just be good exercise, but maybe the jury’s still out on whether or not your joints will be completely destroyed by the age of 50.
So, I think most people would probably be better served by understanding more thoroughly the warning signs of, say, a just straight up abusive or emotionally manipulative relationship, right, more common crimes, that don’t involve serial killers or the extreme and marketable violence featured in true crime. But then, as we’ve seen with the buzzwordification of “gaslighting”, and things of this nature, you can’t really be so sure that said education wouldn’t just be co-opted and used by the abusers themselves into more easily laundering their behavior. It’s probably still beneficial, in that if you know the identifying features of a duck, it’s harder for a duck to pose as not-a-duck, even if the duck knows what a duck is, right, but, yeah, it still has problems.
Then maybe the answer lies in, say, some sort of unironic self-help or therapeutic content, right, because that helps everyone, including potential abusers, but then that can be just as vulnerable to abuse. Not necessarily from abusers, but abuse from the financial nature of said content, which will be likely to provide easy solutions and shitty information just to make a quick buck, ime.
I’d still criticize all of this shit, this genre, on the basis of what I’ve all said, right, and I’d also criticize it in the format and execution of it’s entertainment, but I also think, right, we’re probably all better off if we just remain conscious of why we’re actually engaging with entertainment, instead of trying to come up with some sort of justification which doesn’t really pass the reality test. It’s mostly escapism. The pretense of reality is what everything uses to make itself more legitimate. That’s why men watch war history videos, and videos on guns that convince them they need to become right wing NRA wingnut prepper guys. Pretense of reality. As the other commenters have pointed out, there are parallels, here.
We do but I also love cartoons
all women, is that you?
Hmmmm…I did say i like cartoons… checks. Yup. I did own that one possessively. So nope. The person you’re looking for is not here.
I dunno. Woman, giving an opinion…I think that qualifies as “all women” on the internet. Sorry, I know, heavy is the head.
So just stating I like comics or me acknowledging I’m a woman? I’m apologizing for none of this. Go find yourself a real reason to pick a fight.
woah there. It was very clearly a joke about how women sharing their opinions on the internet is usually used against women and portrayed as “women are saying…” The internet has a bad problem with generalizing and painting all women as a monolith. That was the joke. I thought it was clear, but maybe not.
It could easily be read as sarcastic. In normal times, I don’t think that interpretation would be common, but in the internet of today, the toxicity is just so high it’s often the correct interpretation.
I’m a woman. I understood it as a joke. You’re okay.
Well slap tits on me and call me a lady because I am a huge fan of true crime. I read in cold blood for a high school project and never looked back.
But then I’ve been into horror since childhood as well so it’s not really a huge leap either.
