If Microsoft actually pulls this off I can finally stop using 3rd party firewalls to avoid the forced reboots! Revolutionary on Windows part. Meanwhile on Linux. They already know the assignment. (generally)
Haven’t everyone install linux yet?
It keeps trying. I keep denying it.
I would far rather pay a fee for an OS, like I did for every computer I built up to Win 7, and not have to deal with M$oft’s BS and ad-pushing.
you and every person who upvoted you did not read the article lol
Or even the headline
“your Windows 11 PC”
Or even the preview…
Lemmy moment.
You deny security updates? Why would you do that?
I raw-dog the internet.
are there internet bug chasers?
Security analysts? Those guys are dirty.
That does fit. What would their grindr be?
Well, Windows isn’t free…
I disable Windows updates through the Event Viewer program and keep it like that because I don’t really open anything there that leaves Windows vulnerable, so I found it okay. I can obviously just turn it on whenever I want and get the updates.
Can’t tell if you’re trolling or actually that stupid.
- Event viewer does exactly what the label says, let’s you view things. In this case, logs.
- Is your computer on, we won’t even touch the fact that’s 100% connected to a network, then it’s vulnerable.
Let’s assuming you’re just trolling though.
So according to the official page on Hotpatching (without any trackers like in the article), this reminds me of kpatch. I guess Microsoft really wants to spend the effort of making that work. Isn’t kpatch not really supported (without $$$) by many larger distros since it’s prone to break easily?
Isn’t the concept of kernel live-patching just “wait until the kernel’s not using that module, and slip in anupdatesd version”
I don’t know about Windows, on Linux it’s at the function level, and some cases are tricky.
I found more info: Microsoft SQL Server Engine already does hot patching and I guess the same way will be used in other MS apps: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Azure-SQL-Database/Hot-Patching-SQL-Server-Engine-in-Azure-SQL-Database/ba-p/849700
This was the pipe dream for many many years now. Not the first time MS is talking about it either.
It’s a thing in the Linux world and it’s just too costly to support and therefore most user facing distros outright don’t support it.
Orlly?
I’ve been using Linux desktop for a good 20 years now. All debian based distros (loads of them) do, all redhead based ones do, and those two together likely comprise the majority of distros.
I can’t remember the last time I rebooted my desktop (or servers, for what it matters) beyond a power outage in the office
Do you have kernel live patching enabled?
Your updates both do not apply kernel updates but also aren’t applying in general unless you are restarting all apps, services, and sessions. Basically just reboot.
Only servers administrated well do online updates correctly.
So in other words yet another thing that Linux already had for the past 20 years? Go on like this and in 50 years Microsoft might actually have a capable operating system.
Dump windows, Install Linux, stop paying Microsoft money for badly designed crap that will spy on you.
Cant upgrade to 11, since my motherboard is too old. So reap what you sow, perhaps ?
So in other words the
HI WE ARE GETTING THINGS READY FOR YOU
Screen can just pop whever it wants for 20 minutes at a time without warning? Yay…
I know people don’t want to hear it anymore because it’s beating a dead horse, but… Linux.
Honestly not being able to move the start bar and being told it won’t be changed because their awful new start menu needs it that way was a dealbreaker. Been running Linux Mint exclusively on my desktop for the past few months and it’s been pretty smooth, even for playing games. Thank goodness for Proton!
Yup. Been using Linux as my primary desktop for years, I think I switched back to windows 2012-2015 or something, then I came back ever since. More and more games are using tools that are cross platform now too - like unity for example. I only imagine compatibility getting better. The installation experience has been better since live CDs were a thing too which is hilarious since windows still has a terrible install UI.
I took it to mean ittk update things in the back round like Linux can which is nice.
I don’t think those words describe what the intended behavior is, no. I think it’s supposed to be seamless and not really too noticeable. That’s the impression I got from the article anyway.
Didn’t they say the same when they were developing windows 10? I don’t believe it’s gonna happen.
me looking out on the sea of windows users like, oh the humanity
Microsoft have done this previously and shelved it because their method had enormous security issues.
I don’t see this going well for them.
Isn’t it possible they could learn from their mistakes? Just playing devil’s advocate here.
Linux has this
What’s Linux? This is the first in hearing of this here on Lemmy.
Can you provide me with an .exe of it?
How many people are actually using
kexecto update Linux without rebooting?You only rarely update the kernel though
Windows is very lazy about reboots. Minesweeper changed? Better reboot.
Chrome also got infected with this laziness. It used to be that you had to restart chrome once a month, now it’s almost every day. Among many other reasons, that’s why I’m happy to be using Firefox again.
Yeah, only four times this week. Rolling distro life.
Ubuntu has live patching free for personal use built right in. It’s not exactly a niche thing.
(I don’t bother on most machines because I reboot my laptops every day anyway, but you know; nice for servers and whatnot).
Cool, so its possible then! I hope Microsoft makes it functional for Windows, too.
It comes in 3 forms.
- Update small system components (packages) and load the old into ram untill rebooting; I don’t think this is possible on windows.
- A/B image based updating; Android and a few Linux distros have this; probably one of the most stable methods.
- Live boot updates/hot patching; found mostly in Linux servers, and distros with a patched kernel; used mostly for security update which is what windows is doing here, but Linux can do feature updates this way too.
As much as I don’t like window I want to see it get better :)
The chrome OS is method is pretty cool having a mirrored partitions the one not being used gets updated if there’s an error the other one gets booted and reverted
Had a movie stop playing the other week (I use my PC as a Jellyfin server and watch on a Nvidia Shield in another room). I thought something had crashed, but when I went upstairs to check, it had realised nobody was watching it and fucking rebooted.
Linux. Bsd. Etc.
Living room PC is also used for playing VR games (since living room has the space required). Sadly Windows is the only option.
Pure curiosity, I don’t own VR gear, does the Linux steam version not have VR?
Steam itself does support VR on Linux, but most of the actual hardware (like Meta headsets) don’t have drivers for Linux. The ones that do (Valve Index) are buggy, but not unusable. But even then it doesn’t get you far, because 90% of VR games won’t run on Linux, even with Proton.
So Steam is not the problem. Hardware support and developer support is the problem. Can’t really blame developers for not caring, even if they make their VR game work on Linux almost no one would be able to play it anyway, so why bother. It won’t get anywhere unless hardware manufactures start making actual drivers for their headsets on Linux. Meta practically controls the market and they don’t care, so here we are.
A Steamlink app was added to the Meta store recently. It supposedly allows playing streamed desktop VR. I have been meaning to try it with Steam on my Linux desktop, so I can’t really vouch for it yet, it could just not work. And who knows if Proton works for any specific VR games.
you should probably use a different operating system if you use it as a server
If it was only used as a server, then I would. But it isn’t, so I don’t.
I use a Manjaro box to game on. And video edit with davinci resolve. And so everything else that I do. Truenas for my NAS.
It’s really not a good idea to have a home server you don’t update, assuming it’s accessible outside your network.
Windows updates suck, but they can be delayed to only take place every 6-8 weeks.
that wasn’t what I was saying
Or use Windows server. It would never do shit like that.
Alternatively you could just not postpone updates for weeks.
Just update your computers and this will never happen.
So they are going back to the way Linux does it since forever?
Why not just go image based? Instant reboots and even faster updates.
