Stella Assange, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange’s wife, said the “world is watching” her husband’s extradition appeal hearing Tuesday. “We have two big days ahead. We don’t know what t…
Then he should be found innocent rather than hide away for a decade.
People fucking died because of the information he just dumped out there. But no, we are not allowed differences of opinion.
This isn’t supposed to be an echo chamber!
You think I’m wrong then convince me, don’t insult me. If you think the First Amendment applies to dumping government files… make that argument in court and good luck, but don’t fucking condescend to me in an internet forum.
Publishing is not a crime: The US government should end its prosecution of Julian Assange for publishing secrets.
Twelve years ago, on November 28th 2010, our five international media outlets – the New York Times, the Guardian, Le Monde, El País and Der Spiegel – published a series of revelations in cooperation with WikiLeaks that made the headlines around the globe.
“Cablegate”, a set of 251,000 confidential cables from the US state department, disclosed corruption, diplomatic scandals and spy affairs on an international scale.
In the words of the New York Times, the documents told “the unvarnished story of how the government makes its biggest decisions, the decisions that cost the country most heavily in lives and money”. Even now in 2022, journalists and historians continue to publish new revelations, using the unique trove of documents.
For Julian Assange, publisher of WikiLeaks, the publication of “Cablegate” and several other related leaks had the most severe consequences. On [April 11th] 2019, Assange was arrested in London on a US arrest warrant, and has now been held for three and a half years in a high-security British prison usually used for terrorists and members of organised crime groups. He faces extradition to the US and a sentence of up to 175 years in an American maximum-security prison.
This group of editors and publishers, all of whom had worked with Assange, felt the need to publicly criticise his conduct in 2011 when unredacted copies of the cables were released, and some of us are concerned about the allegations in the indictment that he attempted to aid in computer intrusion of a classified database. But we come together now to express our grave concerns about the continued prosecution of Julian Assange for obtaining and publishing classified materials.
The Obama-Biden administration, in office during the WikiLeaks publication in 2010, refrained from indicting Assange, explaining that they would have had to indict journalists from major news outlets too. Their position placed a premium on press freedom, despite its uncomfortable consequences. Under Donald Trump however, the position changed. The DoJ relied on an old law, the Espionage Act of 1917 (designed to prosecute potential spies during world war one), which has never been used to prosecute a publisher or broadcaster.
This indictment sets a dangerous precedent, and threatens to undermine America’s first amendment and the freedom of the press.
Obtaining and disclosing sensitive information when necessary in the public interest is a core part of the daily work of journalists. If that work is criminalised, our public discourse and our democracies are made significantly weaker.
Twelve years after the publication of “Cablegate”, it is time for the US government to end its prosecution of Julian Assange for publishing secrets.
Publishing is not a crime.
The editors and publishers of:
The New York Times
The Guardian
Le Monde
Der Spiegel
El País
I know there are lots of people who disagree with me. I’m okay with that. But I’m also in no position to make a difference here.
What he did wasn’t publishing. He dumped sensitive data. In my opinion.
It’s just silly to think he doesn’t have to deal with the trial. If he is innocent, let the fucking system decide that.
I can think that Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, and Julian Assange did brave things and still think they should stand trial.
In Assange’s case I think he went way way too far, but was still brave.
I’m mostly annoyed by all this yammering that there is one true opinion here and that everyone else is deluded, as if this wasn’t a huge event with ongoing consequences.
Nuance is important if you’re gonna understand anyone’s viewpoints.
The rape allegations do seem to be farcical, but I don’t think he should be in prison for releasing classified material - it’s not like he hacked the Pentagon to get it.
However his apparent biases definitely do raise questions and point towards other issues.
The apparent bias where he released documents about the Democrats but did not release documents about the Republicans and/or Russians, having received said Democrat documents from the Russians.
Maybe it’s a little more nuanced, I dunno. I can’t remember all the shit I’ve read over the years, the freshest stuff is from the comments in these threads.
My guess is that he didn’t actually have dirt on the Republicans, as one commenter suggested. Why would Russia provide that, when the supposed goal of Russia was to get their Republican man in the White House?
Then, maybe, he got some other dirt on Russia from somewhere else, but didn’t release that. However there could be any number of valid reasons there. I do vaguely remember something about him saying like (my complete paraphrasing) “reporting on Russian corruption isn’t of journalistic interest to me, of course Russia and Putin are corrupt.”
So yeah, his “apparent biases” raise questions. That doesn’t mean those questions can’t have valid answers.
But that also doesn’t mean the questions are invalid in and of themselves. They should be addressed openly and succintly every time, such that objective truth wins over incessant lies.
The only stupidity here is in your 3 word comment. Try harder.
Then leave. Nobody is forcing you to continually steep yourself in the wrong viewpoints.
I personally don’t think he’s a rapist but I do think he needs to be in prison for dumping all that classified material.
If that makes me brain dead, I don’t want any part of what you consider dialogue.
Not a fan of the first amendment, I take it? Not only did Assange not break any US laws, he wasn’t even within US jurisdiction at the time.
Then he should be found innocent rather than hide away for a decade.
People fucking died because of the information he just dumped out there. But no, we are not allowed differences of opinion.
This isn’t supposed to be an echo chamber!
You think I’m wrong then convince me, don’t insult me. If you think the First Amendment applies to dumping government files… make that argument in court and good luck, but don’t fucking condescend to me in an internet forum.
The Guardian, Nov. 2022: ‘Publishing is not a crime’: media groups urge US to drop Julian Assange charges: First outlets to publish WikiLeaks material, including the Guardian, come together to oppose prosecution
The letter:
Okay.
Make that argument in court.
I know there are lots of people who disagree with me. I’m okay with that. But I’m also in no position to make a difference here.
What he did wasn’t publishing. He dumped sensitive data. In my opinion.
It’s just silly to think he doesn’t have to deal with the trial. If he is innocent, let the fucking system decide that.
I can think that Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, and Julian Assange did brave things and still think they should stand trial.
In Assange’s case I think he went way way too far, but was still brave.
I’m mostly annoyed by all this yammering that there is one true opinion here and that everyone else is deluded, as if this wasn’t a huge event with ongoing consequences.
Nuance is important if you’re gonna understand anyone’s viewpoints.
The rape allegations do seem to be farcical, but I don’t think he should be in prison for releasing classified material - it’s not like he hacked the Pentagon to get it.
However his apparent biases definitely do raise questions and point towards other issues.
What bias? Stupid
The apparent bias where he released documents about the Democrats but did not release documents about the Republicans and/or Russians, having received said Democrat documents from the Russians.
Maybe it’s a little more nuanced, I dunno. I can’t remember all the shit I’ve read over the years, the freshest stuff is from the comments in these threads.
My guess is that he didn’t actually have dirt on the Republicans, as one commenter suggested. Why would Russia provide that, when the supposed goal of Russia was to get their Republican man in the White House?
Then, maybe, he got some other dirt on Russia from somewhere else, but didn’t release that. However there could be any number of valid reasons there. I do vaguely remember something about him saying like (my complete paraphrasing) “reporting on Russian corruption isn’t of journalistic interest to me, of course Russia and Putin are corrupt.”
So yeah, his “apparent biases” raise questions. That doesn’t mean those questions can’t have valid answers.
But that also doesn’t mean the questions are invalid in and of themselves. They should be addressed openly and succintly every time, such that objective truth wins over incessant lies.
The only stupidity here is in your 3 word comment. Try harder.
Why should the US get to keep its war crimes hidden again?
Get off our site. You’re not welcome here