wouldnt that be cross border smuggling/human trafficking?
Hooray! You can’t win! The Republicans’ favorite kind of game!
I haven’t read Alabama’s ruling, but if those embryos are legally children, then yes. Fortunately the destination state and the federal government do not agree, so you won’t have to worry about it unless you live in Alabama.
Sounds like human trafficking to me!
This is an absolute tragedy but is also very much a leopards ate my face moment.
Do not feel sorry for these people, though. People who can afford these treatments are wealthy and they certainly voted for the sort of politicians that would create this state supreme court.
Yeah IVF isn’t cheap and it isn’t covered buy regular health insurance so its all out of pocket.
My insurance covers it
Currently holding my newborn as I type this.
Both of my children were IVF babies, and I’m about as left leaning as they come.
Also, we’re not wealthy by any stretch. We ended up participating in a clinical trial that provided free IVF therapy (minus some misc costs).
I absolutely feel sorry for our fellow American citizens who are going through this horror, regardless of their political affiliation. Politicians are dealing in lives and livelihoods as if we average citizens mean nothing to them (spoiler alert, we don’t).
You should look into expanding your worldview.
I should? I’m complaining about how people in a state voted in people who would do something as horrid and cruel as this is and I should expand my worldview? Maybe, just maybe, it is possible to look at the accomplishments of a group and judge them based on that. All of this “you should feel sorry for people in Texas” nonsense falls into this same category. Yes, I can feel sorry for individuals who are victim of these sorts of atrocities while still believing that Texas is a shithole state that shouldn’t exist. Alabama is no different.
Further, you take exception with my comment on wealth while admitting that you didn’t pay for it yourself. Seems pretty disingenuous.
You should also probably seek help from a licensed clinical professional counselor
That’s quite the stretch to assume all of these people are conservatives.
Of course not all are but it’s fucking Alabama, the right armpit of the gulf coast.
Shouldn’t they do that with actual children as well? Just to be safe?
Children are only important until they are born. After that’s happened they can work down the mines for all they care.
I figured that their parents might care a wee bit.
I guess soon, when you break-up with someone, the state might charge you with killing the idea of the children you might have had.
10 more years and we are at “contraception is murder”
10? Try 1 if Trump gets in.
🎶 every sperm is sacred, every sperm is good 🎶
You know how I can confidently say that anyone who is against the right to choose hates women?
Because doesn’t matter how much they claim to love children, and how many shenanigans they pull like this one, I know for a fact that not a single one of them would ever in their whole life even entertain the idea of charging a man who masturbated with mass murder.
Yeah but that man only releases HALF-babies by the millions. So that’s the loophole, right?
I hate to break this to you but for some men in these states those sperms will only count as 3/10ths of a baby.
For those that can’t do fractions: That’s 1/2 of 3/5ths.
So if I jerk off on the firehouse steps can I claim I’m just using the Safe Harbor law?
Can’t wait to tell Republicans how many millions of babies I’ve eaten
Or paying child support on every single embryo.
Isn’t the fact that the parents are in Alabama the more relevant than where the egg is. If there is a record of who owns the egg on the premises of an Alabama provider wherein it may be seized by the Alabama authorities it may be used to demand of the provider or parents an accounting of the disposition of the egg. If it has been destroyed and the information regarding its destruction is available to the provider in state (which would be normal) they can still be charged. Inability to account for it is suspicious in itself and parents could be held in contempt and forced to disclose.
soft pay walled
If I were in Alabama I’d race to move out of Alabama
I don’t live in Alabama and I am moving out of Alabama just in case
By that logic, women are committing murder every time they menstruate.
Maybe I missed something because the article is behind a paywall.
Not sure you understand what an embryo is or how menstruation works.
Plenty of times a fertilized egg is expelled during menstruation for one reason or another though.
Shit. Ok. I’m stupid. I’ll see myself out.
At least you owned up to it.
No worries, now you know stuff you didn’t before
By that logic, women are committing murder every time they menstruate.
An unfertilized egg is not the same thing as an embryo.
Well… their religion has a virgin birth so maybe that’s where their confusion comes from.
By that logic, women are committing murder every time they menstruate.
Don’t give them ideas.
They’d be happy to lock up all women in camps.
Fertilized eggs get flushed all the time when they fail to implant. One step closer to making sex illegal. Fucking idiots…
Don’t forget about semen. Billions of babies… on the carpet.
Surely you can think of a better place to blow your load onto than on the carpet
Remind me never to visit your home.
I hate to tell you, but semen is on everything. Men jerk off literally everywhere.
You ain’t wrong buddy. Your comment asked for it though with the way it was dressed ,in my defense.
My birthday suit is very professional!!
I don’t.
ok, as pointed out, I don’t know how these things work.
He speaks on behalf of the whole Internet
I apologize
Oh, my bad.
Isn’t it illegal to transport a child to commit a crime? Human trafficking? Kidnapping? What a can of worms. I feel like there’s too much money in fertility treatments for SCOTUS to let this stand.
They’re my kids so they can live in my freezer
Freezer full of tax deductions
All fun and games until hungover you makes 1 smoothie too many…
Joke’s on you, I’m a recovering alcoholic
Recovering from injury after falling down stairs on your last bemder?
Actively working to take back control of my own life, and developing the tools I need to stay sober.
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Well since they don’t have birth certificates I guess they’re undocumented people and that would be bad mmkay.
Embryo camps. Spotlights, very small dogs. We’ll get every last one.
Just send them on a bus to sanctuary cities! Checkmate… Oh, wait, that gives them what they want. We’ve been Uno reverse carded!
Probably time to remind everybody the Judiciary branch can’t actually enforce its rulings. If they’re going to go full on religious crazy we can just start ignoring them.
And that, kids, is why Andrew Jackson is on the 20 dollar bill.
Law gets enforced if power finds it useful to enforce. Ignoring it is not an option, for people actually in danger of having the law enforced against them.
Sure you can. It’s not like the DA’s office and police are in lock-step with them or anything right?
Yeah, but you go ahead and ignore first. I’ll see what happens
This is a travesty. These people are engaging in blatant and obvious child trafficking
I see what you did there
Look here, pal!
I spent the first ten years of my childhood in Alabama living in a freezer! Do you have any idea what that’s like?
No hugs, no toys. A fucking freezer!
For ten years of my childhood!
You think that’s bad? I literally stayed in my dad’s balls for a while.
He did the Republican thing that they always do.
You know. Be bad people.
Won’t be long until Alabama considers miscarriage to be murder. Wait…that actually is already a thing:
When she arrived at hospital seeking treatment, Poolaw admitted to using illicit drugs while pregnant.
So the ‘crime’ is of causing the death of the foetus through illegal drug use.
It’s not conclusive that the cause was drug use. And that really should not matter anyway. It was a miscarriage.
I’m surprised the Alabama legal system isn’t more comfortable with miscarriages. They seem to have had a lot recently
Think of the potential tax wind fall these people could have! I’d knuckle shuffle up some “kids” and rake in the tax money.
Unfortunately they made embryos children for the purposes of punishments, but let the bill die that would have made them dependents on taxes.
What if we treat that bill as a person, too?
Well they cant be half children. Theyre either kids or not, Id claim them all and if they audit it, then it FORCES the government to involve themselves and set a precedent. If it’s a life, its certainly dependent on the clinic, claim them. Also if they’re truly considered lives, they are inherently entitled to all the rights the US offers living humans. A state tax bill can’t negate that, only dropping the clasification of being a living being can.
The history of this country proves that we have no issues with the blatant cognitive dissonance of declaring someone to only be a portion of a person.
And now there’s precedent on how that’s not legal. I still think its a worthwile challenge.
Take it to court! They either have to decide this law is shit, or it forces the state to pay for them.
I was confused for a moment because the thumbnail looked like a Wendy’s burger patty on a grill.
Who’s hungry?! 😋
But Wendy’s is always fresh, never frozen
Where’s the beef?
