When Al-Qaeda themselves claimed responsibility, even with overwhelming evidence aside? Why were so many people still reluctant, I was researching about this stuff and was shocked to see people who I respect a lot believe in this
Because two planes hit two buildings (and the other one) and like 3-4 buildings imploded. It didn’t look real.
Im guessing engineers didn’t plan for planes to strike the building which is why they crumbled.
That was literally it. It was so odd a situation to our daily lives that parts of it didn’t seem real.
They actually did design the buildings to survive such incidents, which is one of the many reasons that makes it all a bit fishy
The buildings were designed to withstand a small or medium sized aircraft at a relatively low speed with low fuel, similar to the incident with the Empire State Building. It’s not uncommon for other buildings to be built to similar standards, so I don’t see how this would be fishy. It’s a pair of skyscrapers, the threat of a plane hitting them accidentally during bad weather was a possibility. They were not designed to withstand a modern airliner travelling at an incredibly high speed with a full load of fuel. The fact they survived as long as they did is miraculous.
They designed the buildings to implode because on the 60s and 70s there was a worry that buildings would topple over onto neighbouring buildings if damaged or compromised, and was a legitimate concern as architects were putting forth designs using less reinforcement because they didn’t need as much half a century earlier to build things like the empire state building thanks to better building techniques and materials.
They did exactly what they were designed to do when their integrity was compromised to the point to failure, which is impressive feet. Just ask any engineer what happens when a small but dense and fast moving object slams into the end of a second class lever.
Because the FBI lost 2.3 trillion the day before 9/11 (though note that this was brought up way before 9/11, but was restated the day before), and mixed with things like ruby ridge incident, Waco incident, and other things has lead people to be distrustful of the FBI, and I honestly can’t blame them.
You can blame someone for believing stupid conspiracy theories without any concrete evidence though.
I thought it was the Pentagon that lost the 2 trillion dollars
Because Bush and company did everything they could to protect the Saudis and the Bin Laden family, and then made massive fortunes attacking Iraq which had nothing to do with the attack.
At best, the Bush administration were opportunistic war-profiteers who abused the situation for their own gain.
That doesn’t validate any of the absurd theories about demolitions or RC planes.
Unfortunately many “leaders” seem to abide by the saying “Never let a good disaster go to waste.”
Not to mention all the ties between the Bin Laden family, the Saudi royal family and the Bush family… https://www.denverpost.com/2006/09/11/bush-ties-to-bin-laden-haunt-grim-anniversary/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bush,_House_of_Saud
Every conspiracy theory comes back to covering for oil money and the political party they run (Republicans).
Watergate proven to happen? “Yeah, but aliens…” worked so well to distract and muddle the public that Reagan was elected in another landslide six years later.
“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.”
Though I found that often malice has a part in problems.
I think it’s because people would rather believe the world is secretly controlled by some truly awful people than acknowledge no-one’s steering the bus.
I think it is because of the bizarre way the towers collapsed. Just like a controlled demolition looks like.
Also, the way the WTC7, that did not get hit by any plane also collapsed, supposedly because it caught on fire too.
I think this is really the cause of suspicion, it was just pretty bizarre. Also a lot of people came forward to explain that a fire couldn’t brind such a massive structure down.
Also, the US is known for doing weird shit behind everyone’s backs, like weird shit the CIA is constantly doing, like taking governments down or causing a drug crisis in black neighborhoods.
You gotta admit the US agencies are sneaky in general, so it wouldn’t be a surprise if they were actually responsible for the twin towers.
There’s no evidence but I’m pretty sure the CIA was somehow involved with the Nord Stream pipeline
How do you place explosives at exactly the height of impact?
I’m not saying it is a conspiracy, I was just explaining why people think it is.
But let’s assume they did place the explosives, they wouldn’t have to be in the place of impact, they would be located in many places, just like a controlled demolition.
Again, not saying that’s what happened, just saying that the US is constantly doing sneaky stuff under the covers, which is why most conspiracies don’t seem far fetched.
Do you really think it is insane to believe the US made up the moon landing as a propaganda campaign against Russia? I believe we went to the moon, but if they came up with official documents saying we didn’t, I would be like “welp, US doing US things I guess”
Do you really think it is insane to believe the US made up the moon landing as a propaganda campaign against Russia?
Which moon landing? All of them? There was more than one. And yes I think it is very nearly insane given how much evidence we have.
If you want to take this to a philosophical extreme so you understand my argument, is it possible to ever know anything with certainty?
What do you call evidence? Photos, videos, testimony… Do I personally trust in that evidence? Yes, it would be very unlikely to be fake, but many unlikely conspiracies have surfaced in the past.
No. Not doing it. Do you have evidence or not? Go find someone else who wants a bong hit and agrees with your “you can’t really know anything man” shitck.
It’s fine, have a nice day.
Here is an interview with a Dutch demolitions expert, who claims that WTC 7 was clearly brought down in a controlled demolition.
That’s an awful video, he didn’t talk technically about anything.
Also a lot of people came forward to explain that a fire couldn’t brind such a massive structure down.
And yet One Meridian Plaza was a skyscraper built in the same era as 7 World Trade Center that had a fire so bad that caused the building to be condemned due to structural damage caused by the fire. The only reason One Meridian Plaza didn’t completely collapse during the fire was because there were fire sprinklers on some of the floors and the fire got up to a floor that had them.
So now Lower Manhattan had lost water pressure, making the fire sprinkler system worthless. You also had a lot of the people who would be responsible for fighting the fire pancaked in debris nearby. This was the first skyscraper of its size in a over a decade allowed to burn.
But a controlled demolition is a lot more comforting of a thought that the complete failure of disaster response.
I think the biggest evidence of structural damage and not a controlled demolition is the lack of explosion sounds. This is what a controlled demolition sounds like, but witnesses didn’t hear or feel explosions:
https://youtu.be/HfQOfNyn6Zc?feature=shared
more demolitions:
Also, in the WTC7 collapse video, you can see the rooftop penthouse collapse into the building a few seconds before the building collapses. This was the floors collapsing as the inner columns failed which left the building as an empty shell that had no lateral support. Controlled demolitions don’t look or act like that.
This explains most conspiracy theories: it’s easier to believe that the bad in the world is caused by some evil cabal than it is to accept that it’s just chaotic and crazy shit happens. It’s no surprise that most conspiracy theorists are also religious and believe there is some fight between the devil and god playing out. It’s a small leap from one position based on faith to the other.
Same reason people believe in the Earth being Flat, Vaccines causing Autism, or any other insane bullshit that doesn’t stand up to reason.
please dont treat all conspiracy theories the same. you can believe the earth is round and that vaccines dont cause autism, while also believing that the government funded terrorists
If you can prove it, it’s no longer a conspiracy theory.
At the time it was, and the OP was asking about back then.
Even now this is a distortion of the facts that in no way make the claim about 9/11 true.
Because the FBI gave the terrorists all the training, weapons, and about $2bn in cold hard cash money that lead to them being able to commit the act. Because “jet fuel doesn’t melt steel beams”, although it does weaken steel beams. Because engineering and demolition experts came out and said the whole thing seemed coordinated exactly in the way in which they coordinate twar downs for a living. Because the terrorists who on the same day planned to blow up the George Washington Bridge got sent home on a plane and were never spoken about publicly again. Because it was obvious Saidi Arabia had a hand in it, which later became confirmed fact, and we’re buddy buddy with Saudi, so somebody had to have known something was going to happen but didn’t sufficiently try to stop it on our side of the water. Because the Bin Laden family and the Bush family have a weird amount of connections. Be cause conspiracy theory culture was seen as more typical/harmless, and less of a thing for Nazi terrorists like today. Because the FBI had Bin Laden dead to rights in 1998 and had a bedside conversation with him instead of taking the opportunity to kill him while he was on dialysis. Because the 40 years that preceded 9/11 were lousy with proven incidence where our leadership, specifically the FBI & CIA in conjunction with corrupted presidents, in which American citizens were coerced, sabotaged, drugged, tortured, and killed, and all the leaders had to say about it was ‘whoopsy doopsy, so sowwy’
the whole thing seemed coordinated exactly in the way in which they coordinate tear-downs for a living
Oh, yeah, there’s that. The buildings had a very unusual¹ structure that tends to naturally collapse on a similar way as controlled demolition. It’s extremely unlikely for normal buildings to go down that way, so it did raise some suspicion.
1 - Unusual for buildings in general, but common for buildings of that size.
Because critical thinking never intersects with conspiracy theories.
It’s easier to believe the people in charge are secretly in control of everything than to believe they’re barely in control of anything.
And yet, this all powerful government couldn’t even fake finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to “validate” their invasion reasons.
Government incompetence is the main reason I didn’t go down the conspiracy rabbit hole. They’re too stupid to pull most shit off without tripping over their own dicks.
Also, at the time, in the west, Al Qaida were a largely unknown terrorist cell operating in far-away third-world countries. It seemed incredible that such a devastating attack could be carried out on US soil by a small group most people had never heard of.
This.
Conspiracy theories are comforting because they are more pleasant to believe than the truth, which is that we’re all aboard a ship going full steam ahead with nobody at the rudder.
Nobody’s at the rudder, but also all of us are. Everyone has more capacity than anyone is comfortable with
It also gives people a sense of deep satisfaction believing they know some dark hidden secret nobody else does… regardless of how absurd it is
Vanity. It’s the Devil’s favourite sin.
I mean prob because although it wasn’t done directly by the gov they had plenty of warning and did nothing.
What do you mean by they had plenty of warning? Do you consider the government, FBI, and CIA to be one entity?
Normally the agencies coordinate.
Cheney changed that when Bush was elected, and had everything go thru him. It was his decision what another agency and even the president was told.
The pieces were all there, but Cheney was literally the only person who saw all the pieces before it happened.
And he never said anything.
Maybe he was incompetent, maybe he was evil enough to let it happen.
But lots of people call Dick Cheney evil, no one calls him incompetent
Don’t quote me on this, but I wouldn’t be surprised if many other countries considered those to be in the same camp.
Go pull the nyt for the week before. There were warnings of terrorist attacks, but they were believed to be threatening US bases overseas, specifically on Okinawa.
It’s not “they knew and did nothing”. It only becomes clear in hindsight. It was a massive failure. Of intelligence and of imagination.
Why sit around and wait for a “new Pearl Harbor” when you can just make your own? You’d have to be a fool to believe that the official story of 9/11 is the complete truth. The MIC had to justify itself after the collapse of the Soviet Union and steamroll that was Desert Storm.
People are emotion driven. The idea of a conspiracy is somehow more soothing to them than a chaotic world where no one’s really in control. Also many people are, frankly, fragile cowards, and the idea of admitting they are wrong is too much for their ego to take.
People’s beliefs are social. Once they’re in a social group that believes something, they’re very unlikely to change. It’s not even wholly conscious. But if someone’s in conspiracy circles, abandoning the beliefs means losing all those friends. That feels like Danger to the brain, and most people will reject it.
Because the collapse of the towers looked like a controlled demolition. It wasn’t, but it looked like it.
Easiers rather that to understand they were a war betwin two agency and besides an incompetent government (bush son) who were just focus on irak even before 9/11
You can watch “looming tower”. Really a great show about it.
Bin Laden was US-educated and a buddy of the Bush family.
To be fair the Bush family also hates Americans
