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And conservatives all over the world still want to install Trump as POTUS, let alone the American ones.
I just want to never have to hear about this cunt again. Is that why people like him?
Oh I want to hear about him again.
I want to hear about him dying in prison.
Yeah, in an ideal world, the next and last thing I would hear about trump is Obituary: Donald (tiny hands) Trump, the worst President in history passed away today after rolling over in his sleep and suffocating on his pillow. He was unable to roll back due to diet and exercise history. His family has not picked up the body due to the willing members being incarcerated.
I mean, there’s a solution. Feel free to help us all out. I’ll donate to you go fund me defense fund.
I hear you, but I’m just not sure how spitting into his McDonald’s hamberders keeps him from becoming President.
He might get some of your healthy bacteria that could influence his gut health and turn him around now that he doesn’t have to deal with terrible butt problems
Strange.
Terrible Butt Problems is the name of my jazz band.
Totally dig y’all’s cover of “Take the Ayyyyyy Train”
Maybe all of this comes down to butt problems.
Real people will die if he becomes POTUS again and yet America minces words about what kind of ideology he represents. He better hope the mob doesn’t ever get their hands on him.
Mussolini knows
ugh the leftist in me is salivating at the thought.
I don’t know if by “mob” you mean organized crime or dipshit Jan 6 traitors, but either way, he’s leading it.
Yeah it doesn’t seem like you should vote for this guy.
Over 75 million people in this country are about to do that.
Don’t like it? Get out and vote.
I’m sure Russia that can’t even conquer Ukraine is more than capable of going to war against rest of NATO /s
Yes, but they can test invade Latvia to see if NATO just agrees to give up territory for peace
Latvia is part of both NATO and EU, most of Europe would be forced to react.
I feel like at this point he’s trying to antagonize europe into launching a counterpropoganda campaign against Russia’s troll farming
That’s not his style. He’s only speaking to his people. Nothing about what he says correlates to reality. He doesn’t want to antagonize Russia at all. He, like cucker are beholden to pushing Putin’s propaganda. We are still suffering from Russian psyops.
At this point I wish they would, frankly. Especially since the US is clearly going to do nothing to hold Trump, Putin and all of their stooges accountable for anything.
If you vote for this man, you are a garbage person.
Not to mention a wannabe Russian asset
There’s also a 1:1 probability that you’re a sociopath, mentally unstable, brainwashed, legitimately stupid, or willfully ignorant.
Why not all 5?
No. You’re underestimating the legitimate ignorance of the electorate. Give this comment a read.
Thats a great read, and echoes what ive been seeing at my own workplace. Those who even remotely follow news (outside of Faux News) are all voting biden. Those who dont, hear that bidens old, that hes out of touch, and want trump to win out of spite for how much they hate the political climate.
That whole, “vote for trump or abstain to stick it to the man” thing is trending like nothing else. Even here on Lemmy, but esp on reddit.
TALK TO THE PPL IN UR LIFE, NOW!
And coincidentally that position favors russia. Somehow. It’s a mystery.
https://midwest.social/comment/7013586
Just follow this comment chain.
And im banned from the sub for this. Fucking terrifying shit if ur at all into democracy or oopsed to fascism.
Please spread word of this happening. On reddit this shit is far far more widespread. There, leftist subs that once prided themselves on never banning anyone will happily ban anyone who says that not voting for biden is playing right into fascist hands, even if said comment generates positive feedback!
Yup my local magat has no idea that any trials happened for the Jan 6 insurrectionists. He thinks Biden personally sent them to jail without trial.
When I showed him the stats for guilty pleas and convictions he changed the subject to Hunter’s problems.
Great post 👍 Thanks for sharing.
Or just a plain hateful sadist.
That’s arguably treason.
It’s just sparkling conservatism
Only if it comes from the treasonous region of Russia.
The man organized an insurrection and it was televised. He won’t be held accountable for this either.
You must be referring to the peaceful tour in which people were bludgeoned, trespassed, and shot in an attempt to stop the certification of a democratic election. Please don’t exaggerate!! (:
So many veterans are rolling in their graves
He’s running under the banner of the people who did this:
So yeah.
Luckily for him, he’s had good luck with treason so far.
Anyone wondering why the rest of the world has begun taking the US less and less seriously and has begun distancing themselves from any decisions we make, you can thank this incompetent orange retard for the ludicrous amount of damage he did to the US’s soft power.
True, Conan O’Brien and Sean Baker aren’t enough to balance this out.
Not just did, is still doing too.
Oh it goes back way further than him dude.
If that dick sucker gets back in we are closing our borders so fucking fast. Also Canada is part of the British commonwealth so we know what side the UK will be on if this idiot tries anything.
Unfortunately closing our borders doesn’t mean anything when we share the longest undefended border in the world.
There are a literal shit ton of places to just walk across (or 4x4) without anyone knowing … and that sucks in this context. :/
… and even just economically, AFAIK we have treaties we would have difficulty getting out of; such as to provide them with water. We ship a lot of our raw resources (beef, lumber) down to them only to buy back finished goods, stuff like that. Canada will be in a real jam if we feel a need to distance ourselves properly from the USA.
AFAIK we have treaties we would have difficulty getting out of;
Trump had no problem breaking treaties on a whim the last time.
I don’t imagine he wouldn’t continue doing that if the idea randomly popped into his head (or was placed there).
Indeed, and we might need to be ready to play some hardball ‘tit for tat’ if it comes to it. However we’ve always been ‘the mouse’ to their ‘elephant’ so that might not be feasible.
My only hope with a second Trump term is that when he inevitably drags the US out of NATO, the other member states invest more heavily into their military budgets, rally to support each other and make it a true defensive pact.
NATO would definitely feel the hit of losing US support, but I don’t think this will tip the scales in Ukraine. If the other states chip in, I think they’ll hold out.
It’s more hilarious that the Republican Party have managed to dupe their own stereotypically patriotic supporters into allowing them to sell out to Russia. Aren’t they forgetting the decades of anti-Commie propaganda being fed to them?
Ideally NATO would fall apart and cap the member states’ potential to commit their imperialism in the middle east.
And modern capitalist Russia tries its best to put out anti-communist propaganda for its population too btw. The current governments of the US and Russia aren’t too different in that sense; the difference is that Russians have lived under Socialism and experienced the massively decreased quality of life after the country turned capitalist so the propaganda doesn’t quite work (with rising support for the USSR in recent years even)
The reason Trump wants to ally with Russia is likely to sabotage China, the same way they sabotaged the USSR and contributed to its illegal dissolution by allying with China against them in the Cold War.
Russia isn’t communist anymore. They are a white ethno state with strong laws against the gays.
I remember thinking Romney was an idiot for talking about how much of a threat Russia is.
Shows what I know.
Russia isn’t communist anymore.
Strictly speaking, was it ever really communist? Did any Marxist-Leninist state even come close to a communist society? Where’s all those Lemmy people who read Marx when you need them?
They are a white ethno state with strong laws against the gays.
Kinda always have been.
The only time in the history of NATO that article 5 was invoked was on September 12, 2001.
NATO countries sent soldiers to Afghanistan in support of the US. A two decades long war. I’m personally from a NATO country and have two family members that have PTSD because my country honored the agreement and supported the US after it was attacked.
The US has never engaged in a war to support any NATO members. NATO members have engaged in a war to support the US.
Recruitment numbers are down in my country in large part because of how the war in Afghanistan turned out. That was in large part due to the US going on a little side adventure into Iraq. Because of this, even though my country is purchasing equipment from the US defense Industrial complex (which if we’re being real, is what the goal is) we don’t have enough military personnel to operate that equipment.
So with all that, shitheads in the US complain about my countries “not pulling their weight”. We’ve been sending our people to fight in a US war for two fucking decades because that’s what allies do, but then shitheads in the US don’t care about that, they only care about how much money is coming from NATO to the US defense industrial complex? It’s craven.
And Russia propaganda and election interference is happening in every NATO country. For the same reason that there are many in the US don’t think the US should support Ukraine, there’s many people in other NATO countries that think the same because of the same Russian propaganda effort. Instead of being hyper-focused on the revenues of Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, maybe think a little more about who the real enemy.
100% agree (am American).
While this is very obvious just putin expressing his control over the us republican party:
- The Vietnam War was very much the US trying to speedrun Mama Britain’s history of atrocities. But it also has direct links to supporting France’s own atrocities and colonialism in the region.
- The Falklands War very much was one of the prototypes for the modern conflict in Ukraine. The UK and Argentina went to not-war for Reasons. And nations on both sides didn’t want to get involved because “escalation” but sent weapons and other support in the process
- While overly reductive and diminishing the agency of the region, basically all the “peacekeeping operations” by the blue hats in Africa boil down to the long lasting impact of colonialism by western european powers. And most (all?) of nato contribute to that. We just tend to not care because they actively limit the scope of operations and nobody really cares if some black people get raped and murdered by the soldiers that are “protecting” them.
And there are a lot more “not support” situations like that. In large part because WW1 taught humanity about the dangers of… actually being in military agreements. WW2 and The Cold War very much demonstrated the need to have those unified fronts but there is still the fear of one flashpoint plunging the entire world into war. Hence “Oh yeah. We are buddies. Uhm… could you NOT declare war because we will totally tell you to go fuck yourself rather than help”
Which is also why actually declaring war is so rare these days. Its not a war. Its a peacekeeping operation or a conflict or whatever. So we’ll pressure you to help us commit atrocities but you’ll also kind of just be in the area shooting some brown people and not be at war or anything.
And, just to be clear: I think the NATO support of Ukraine is excellent. I actively wish we had done more rather than use it as a way to bleed russia dry by a thousand cuts. But putting “boots on the ground” is how you get an Iraq/Afghanistan where all nations involved are actively wishy-washy on what their actual goals are and are trying to avoid committing out of fear of triggering “a real war”
Your bullet points are listing military action that were explicitly not NATO missions.
- The Vietnam war was not a NATO operation, since neither the US nor France was attacked. NATO is a defensive alliance.
- The Falklands War was an attack on UK territory, but since the territory in question was outside of Europe it didn’t count for Article 5. That’s because of limitations defined in Article 6. Article 6 does mention Algeria (because of France doing France things) but since Algeria is no longer under French control it’s been rendered moot. There is some debate that Spain’s little exclaves in Morocco may fall under NATO protection, but that’s a big stretch. But no, NATO does not protect overseas territories that are holdovers from colonial times.
- UN peacekeeping operations are UN Peacekeeping operations. While NATO members often contribute to these operations (just as non-members of NATO do) they are UN operations. You’ll be surprised to learn many African countries contribute soldiers to UN peace keeping operations. You may also want to read up on the African Union which is way more prominent in African peacekeeping operations. Also note that the Wagner group (Russia) is very relevant in a lot of shenanigans going on in Africa. China is fairly relevant to Africa these days as well.
Which is also why actually declaring war is so rare these days. Its not a war. Its a peacekeeping operation or a conflict or whatever. So we’ll pressure you to help us commit atrocities but you’ll also kind of just be in the area shooting some brown people and not be at war or anything.
No one declares war anymore because a declaration of war is going from 0 to 100 with a stroke of a pen. Probably not a good thing to be doing after the invention of nuclear weapons. Probably wasn’t ever a good thing, given it made war seem like something that was legal and civilized. Atrocities have always existed in wars and entangling alliances and declarations of war represented automatic expansion of atrocities. This is now widely seen as a bad thing.
Now we generally use the concept of escalation towards war. This allows for the potential to deescalate before it becomes an all out war. Yes atrocities can occur during escalation and deescalation. But it’s significantly less than the 0 to 100 scenario that was happening when declarations of war was commonplace. Look to the cities of Germany at the end of WWII if you want to see the results of an all out war in modern times. Or look at Gaza right now. Look to the cities of Japan at the end of WWII if you want to see what all out war looks like after nuclear weapons came into existence.
So no, we probably should try to avoid the all out war scenarios that declarations of war represents. Especially since we’re transitioning to being a more multi-polar world, which means there will be more wars going forward.
Feeding his base. Republicans only platform is to trigger libs. They’re like monkeys throwing shit at their fellow citizens.
This is really laughable. Trump is bitching about not paying bills? Trump? They guy who’s lawyers need to sue him to force him to pay his bills? The guy who robbed money from his charities for himself? That dude?
He means that Europe got complacent with Russia, which it did, but he’s not some genius for seeing that. It was a known issue and let’s say that Europe has learned it’s lesson. He just was typically dumpass trump and threatened his allies over small issues, instead of using diplomacy.
Now saying that he’ll encourage Putin to attack Europe (good luck with that one, btw) is again stabbing his allies. He doesn’t understand that America is worth shit without those allies, because of course he doesn’t because he’s trump. Be proud of being dumb.
Russia attacking NATO would give a significant chunk of the globe the green light to obliterate Putin.
This is likely the route to ending the war on Ukraine with the lowest loss of human life.
So… Go on Putin, try it.
Yes, nuclear warfare is definitely the right path forward for the world…
Ooooh right, nUcLeAr WaRfArE! Forgot about that. Yeah, we should probably just let them completely destroy Ukraine, and after they’re done, feed em whichever countries they want until they’ve had their fill.
Anything to keep Putin placated!
Mutually assured destruction? Wats that?
Wats that?
That’s the reason we need to not give Putin a free pass to commit whatever evil he wants. He’ll saber rattle all day long, but he knows the second he calls that order that he’s signing his own death sentence. He cares about himself above all else, so that shit ain’t gonna happen regardless of how loudly they hint about it.
Appeasement worked so well for the world in the past…right.
That would actually be 4d chess. Encourage Russia to invade and let Poland crush it
The problem with this is that Russia will rather take whole world down with it than admit defeat. They don’t obey the rules (and laws) of war.
Anymore. The Russians themselves did for a time. Case in point the times a russian actively prevented WW3 or rather a nuclear exchange.
That’s a fairy tale - just another piece of Russian propaganda you seem to be unaware of.
So you are telling me Arkhipov and Petrov where just propaganda figures to promote the “good will” of the soviet union?
You can do that all day long, without hard facts I will not believe you, because both cases have been documented extensively and thoroughly. Ukrainian propaganda is doing a bad job, grasping at straws these days. I’m still 100% behind Ukraine, but negating everything and trying to paint anyone who isn’t in line as the bad guy is straight out of the soviet and russian handbooks.
Painting Russia as the rational side who actually wants peace and the evil West as the warmongers (not just for this war) is a fairy tale and one of the main taking points of Russian propaganda. I’m not saying you’re on their side but if you parrot them without putting it into perspective, you’re doing their bidding.
I’d never paint Russia as the rational side - which is why the distinction between Russia and the Soviet Union AND the distinction between individuals is important, imho.
