Fuck Linus and his shitty company. Greedy cunt.
Yes, he got very greedy.
Yeah it rubs me the wrong way when he treats his workforce as his personal tech peasants by getting them to do ridiculously luxurious upgrades at his house.
Sure they get paid but he’s often getting stuff free or discounted from sponsors installed by his employees essentially for free as he gets to claim their wages as a tax discount all so his primary school aged kids can have their third $5000 gaming rig so they have a computer on every floor of the house.
Personally I would tell him to get fucked, it’s insulting to his employees.
I’m sure those videos do make significantly more money than they cost though. People are definitely clicking on them. And he also does expensive sponsored upgrades for (a few of) his employees. Of course he does do a lot more of those for himself though.
Also lots of those “upgrades” are things that wouldn’t have happened at all, if it weren’t for a video. And seeing how much fun the workers have in those videos, I find it quite unlikely that they feel insulted doing them.
Also, did we forget that the ultimate tech upgrade is a thing? The series where the workers get quite beefy upgrades to their very own homes, and it’s not even limited to pc’s. Linus even personally painted at least a couple of the workers walls lol, so I’m pretty sure “the workers being held as peasants” is quite far from the truth.
He makes fun of his employees so much tho when visiting their home. Bruh you don’t pay them enough for their homes to be 10% as nice as your own douchebag!
And the workers make just as much fun of Linus, if not even more. It’s not a one way street, and it’s clear that Linus only does it when he knows the other person will also find it funny. It’s nothing more but humorical banter between people that know each other quite well.
Linus is just a windows fanboy, just like i am a linux fanboy
Where do you get that idea from?
From every linux related ltt video or wan show I’ve seen. My personal favourite is probably a video about AtlasOS, where he presents modified windows os with many security vulnerabilities and makes some comment like “who needs linux when you have this!” (not actual citation, dont remeber exact wording, feel free to check it out)
I mean… isn’t it obvious?
I mean…if I thought it was obvious, I obviously wouldn’t be asking. What seems obvious is that you’re deflecting because you don’t actually have an answer.
He uses Windows for almost anything. The things he does use that are not Windows based are very few and he doesn’t usually explain in detail what they are… because he doesn’t know what they are.
Being a primarily-Windows user is not the same thing as being a Windows “fanboy”.
He is a Windows fanboy. He praises how some things are so simple to achieve in Windows (no doubt there, some things are), but lacks to mention how complicated others are… like let’s say get rid or old updates… which used to be a real problem until a few years ago (I now understand that it is again a problem in Windows 11).
He praises how some things are so simple to achieve in Windows
He almost never even talks about Mac or Linux so, simple compared to what?
Using an OS suited to his needs (gaming/content creation) isn’t being a fanboy, it’s using the best possible tools for the job. Linux is still a worse gaming experience than windows, no matter what way you try to sell it
So, what you’re saying is, people doing Linux related YT videos are not Linux fanboys, they’re just using the best possible tools for the job.
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Reddit has such a hard-on for LTT, but I’ve found their videos kinda insufferable for… 10 years? Then after the GN/heatsink selling (sorry fans, ”AUCTIONING” …) I knew they were poo.
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You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain.
This is why I would never do anything like that for money. I either do it for the fun of it, or don’t do it at all. I can stop at any time. Hey, it’s been a fun ride, but I’m over this 🤷. I’ve made an archive of the videos, in case this channel gets pulled down some day. Goodbye and fairwell 👋.
dye a hero
Yes… but what colour?
Sorry what? He still does the first two and I have no idea what you’re referencing with the view% comment.
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Fair enough, I don’t watch their sponsored videos and am not going to to check this, so I can’t comment on how misleading they are. I just don’t like how many they do of those and how hard it is to tell them apart from the regular content/reviews. That said, I’ve never seen it affect their videos or opinions outside of the sponsor spot. Linus will still say whatever he wants in other videos, especially on WAN, and if there is an issue with a company then they cease sponsors with them. They’ve demonstrated that with Anker and their Eufy products.
I was primarily confused in your original comment because you mentioned watercooling a room. They still do big/stupid projects like this, such as Linus watercooling via his pool, it’s just hard to find amongst the filler garbage. You also mentioned dunking on companies, which he still does when they do stupid shit, though rarely via a dedicated video.
Thanks for explaining your point, I was fully expecting to be ghosted after the first downvote…
The sexual harassment stuff didn’t help either.
The problem with the linux crowd is that it’s basically about something that should be transparent in your day to day life, the OS. Only Microsoft deals in adsolutes.
Never been in to the Linus stuff beyond specific videos related to a general search
I don’t use an OS for some identity or hype reason, they’re just tools that allow me to do what I actually want to do with computers. Server and laptop are Debian and my power desktop is Windows.
He actually doesn’t know how to install Linux. Or anything about it in fact. In fact, he knows frightening little about the tech he talks about.
Remember that time when he uninstalled his desktop environment? :D
Yes, do as i say
As someone who has sometimes watched wan show etc, it’s actually quite obvious that he actually knows quite a lot. The problem is that their channel covers so many topics that it’s almost impossible for one single person to have in-depth knowledge about all of them. Hence they have a writing team and Linus is more often than not, just a host.
None of that is an excuse for the issues in their videos for sure, but as long as they realize the problem and work to fix it, it’s all good imo and their recent releases schedule is a good indicator that they have taken it quite seriously, as they no longer force themselves to upload daily.
I also quite like a few of their writers, they also host and those are often the most fun videos to watch these days.
I can’t self-report what industry I’m in without potentially doxxing myself, but I can assure you he knows a lot less than he lets on.
I don’t care what variety of topics they have, a respectable techie and creator would know how to admit when they are inexperienced with something. Linus does not. And he cannot admit he’s wrong unless he can somehow spin it to make him look more likeable.
If you are seriously passionate about tech, save yourself the heartache and find a new creator/influencer. If you are just there for the content, enjoy it while there is still some element to it that is enjoyable. They are not on a sustainable trajectory.
“This prototype water cooler is bullshit, it doesn’t work” as he has it improperly mounted on the wrong hardware
Worst Linus.
Wasn’t he named after the operating system?
People hating on linus but I’d say he’s honestly done videos to help linux be in the light. Like it or not linux still has its pain points. More importantly if you want linux to have wide adoption then you’ll need for manufacturers to ship them on devices and have them in store.
His videos are almost always hit pieces as he purposefully stumbles around like a drunken monkey and fails miserably every time therefore LiNuX bAd.
Also for wide adoption of Linux, If Linus who literally built and fixed computers to pay the bills and learned enough doing that to go on to build the media company he currently has can’t get the Linux things done he’s attempted, that’s a pretty clear sign post that Linux is not ready for wide adoption in its current state.
Linus is better equipped to install Linux than im guessing 90% of people on the planet
Linus may not be the all knowing tech god that a lot of people like to make him out to be, but I’d definitely say he’s the average “tech-savvy” guy, but isn’t someone who could properly administrate a homelab, let alone infrastructure for a lot of people.
The Linux challenge was extremely accurate to what would happen if the average windows users tried to use Linux with no outside help. In fact, it’s very similar to my experiences with Linux, where I can accomplish simple tasks, but once I need power user features they’re much harder to find, documentation is patchy at best and you’ve got to hope they didn’t change anything in a recent version of the OS, cause some commands just change arbitrarily (looking at you Docker-compose on Ubuntu 20+)
Everybody knows Wendell is the real tech God.
Absolutely. If you really want the “year of the Linux desktop”, the Linux community needs to start meeting people where they are, or atleast halfway between where they are and where Linux users are.
A silent portion of the community actually prefers that normal people don’t adopt linux. Those with entitlement and wanting to be spoonfed everything are best left to suffer with windows.
Its kind of unfair because the playing field is not level. Microsoft made sure of this decades ago.
The problem with linux is Microsoft. They worked hard over half a century to make it difficult for linux adoption. They paid hardware vendors to keep windows exclusivity. They forced secureboot starting at windows 8 causing problems for linux users.
They made sure linux never got the mindshare that windows has.
A silent portion of the community actually prefers that normal people don’t adopt linux. Those with entitlement and wanting to be spoonfed everything are best left to suffer with windows.
It feels good to be acknowledged sometimes. I go out of my way to help folks at times but I do not want a simplified OS that prevents you from breaking things by taking away your agency and embeds ads into the OS itself.
Pop os is better now
I hate on Linus not because he doesn’t like linux, but because he is a bad boss who overworks his employees and has allegations against him.
He actually became what he hated… at least that’s what he used as an excuse for quitting his day job.
Don’t you know? He didn’t sell his soul, he auctioned it!
For charity!
The allegations are allegations. Its not against him personally but at some of his employees and they hired an independent investigator to investigate the issue. People had issue with perhaps certain things being crunchy and he walked that back and they’re on a more laid back schedule now.
It did not matter if I spoke to someone with evidence of an abuse of power, or inappropriate workplace behavior, it was considered tattle taling.
I was actually called a tattle tale
I was told I was bossy, when I was trying to be assertive. (like I was asked to do)
I was told I was arguing, when I was trying to discuss my point of view.
I was told to “calm my tits”, “stop being such a bitch”, and other comments to similar effects.
Sounds like he runs a great company.
I’m sorry but once again, an investigation needs to happen with evidence for those claims. If true then the people involved should face repercussions.
- As far as I know, no legal charges where made or will be made. So the only investigation will be the one he himself paid for and he doesn’t have enough credibility for my to believe him even if he said everything was false.
- What what evidence would you personally need to believe that Madison isn’t just making it up?
Should we believe people just because they claim so? Anyone who makes a claim that something happened to them or someone did X needs to provide evidence. Otherwise anyone can just say anything about anyone.
What evidence would you need to believe her? At least one other former staff member (Colin) said
@suuuoppp’s (Madison) posts today in are line with what I remember hearing back when we were colleagues, and it takes mad huevos to post that.
Other former LMG employees like Maxine at the very least liked the tweets where she claimed these things.
Linus held a staff meeting about how to handle HR related issues right after Madison quit. Even though he responded to her accusations by saying her had no idea this was going on.
And if that’s not good enough for you, again what evidence do you need to believe her?
Me talking to Linus at gun point: You’re gonna install Arch in that thing AND YOU’RE GONNA LIKE IT!!!
Seriously though, you have no idea how many times people have given me latops with Suse preinstalled and told me to install Windows on them. They just buy them because they’re usually cheaper (no Windows license). They don’t actually care that they’re made to be Linux compatible. They could have FreeDOS or come completely blank for all they care. They just wanna have a working Windows install on their laptops.
“Any more” this mofo couldnt do it even when he is getting paid to
What was the context for this? Was he just explaining why he wasn’t going to talk about how to install Linux during a video or something?
He made a video of how to build a pc and how to install the os. And basically if you choose Linux as a os you already know how to install it.
The install experience is same as windows. You give few details and hit next. Unless, of course, you want to pretend that Linux is terrible and install a command line only distribution.
What is there to know exactly? You just follow the installer and pick languages and whatnot. It’s no different than installing Windows except that it’s faster.
It’s not like they go into detail about how to install windows either…
Don’t forget the extra steps in windows 11 for removing Microsoft spyware
Windows 10 as well. Let’s not forget Wi-Fi Sense.
I think the main point they would present in a video is how to even get to the “follow the installer” stage. Where to download windows and how to make a bootable USB stick.
I guess it makes sense. There’s probably better tutorial videos out there for it
I learnt how to install Linux from some random indian YouTube video with a terrible mic and a handful of views, but explained it perfectly to my dumbass. I tried a few bigger ones and got lost or screwed up.
Best tech tutorials are ones that use screen capture and notepad to exaplain what’s going on.
With the one and only music title:
Trance - 009 Sound System Dreamscape
I looked it up, and conclude that Inever heard it before (as least as far as I can recall.) What’s its significance?
Man, it’s been YEARS since I last heard that song. But by just reading the title it started playing in my head and I can’t get it to stop. Damnit
Gotta love those Indian dudes, always to the rescue 👍.
And they usually don’t even monetize their channels, I mean, how cool is that. I think they do it for the heck of it, like why not.
The only thing I usually ROFL on is the way they speak 🤣🤣🤣. But that’s good as well, you get a good chuckle out of it while learning how to solve your problem 🤣.
It’s also their second language, with English phonetics turning out to be confusing even for native speakers. So 🤷🏽♂️
But there’s also some terrible ones. I know one of them almost steered me away from Linux. I don’t know what exactly the dude did, but he did most of the Linux Mint installation over CLI. Anyway, I decided to try it anyway just to find a GUI simpler than Windows installer.
I get ya seems like some tutorials are written for Linux users who use it for ASMR
I get ya seems like some tutorials are written for Linux users who use it for ASMR
I have to admit, that got a chuckle out of me. Well done.
What video is this quoted from?
His latest I think, he built yet another (😒) gaming PC.
LTT is hidden advertising, and there is no money for that in Linux.
Hidden? It’s pretty fucking opaque. The point of most videos is to explicitly talk about whatever item(s) is about (CPU, GPU, cooling device, chair, tons of accessories, etc), he mentions lttstore at least once per video, and explicitly calls out sponsors.
Which advertising is hidden?
Wouldn’t advertising laptops that have Linux pre-installed work for that? Also niche hardware like the Raspberry Pi 5 for example
Not ENOUGH money would be a more appropriate answer.
True, that would be more accurate.
Not if they don’t advertise, and if they do, it’s so little I never saw it.
The Linux Experiment is regularly sponsored by some of them (IE Tuxedo)
windows don’t pay him too
He has stock in framework laptops so Linux should be nice for him.
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Damn, that’s a large price difference. $300 for spyware, wow.
Seems unfortunate that there’s no “pre-built ready to use with Linux pre-installed” option starting at ~$1499.
The slightly above average users wouldn’t accept it either way. “What is this ugly Ubuntu? I want my gentoo minimalist install with awesomewm” etc
A “Ubuntu LTS” option would be great here, yeah. It’d be next to impossible to support every distro and I get the feeling linux users who have distro preferences are also the type who would prefer to do it themselves.
Source: Me I guess. I’d rather setup Fedora myself
That’s good for workplaces at least. Everywhere I’ve worked, Ubuntu LTS is the standard with everything being “good luck, just don’t let it get in the way of work”
Those are the exact words my first boss used when on my first day, I asked if I could use linux mint instead haha. That’s pretty spot on.
For good reason too, it has waaaay more support for your basic workplace apps than anything else (not that other things don’t but it’s easier to find a .deb than a .rpm)
Everyone else does, why does it matter if MS doesn’t 🤷.
I missed the part where you provide sources/reasons for your allegation of crime?
I’ve blocked his channels, so I can’t give recent sources. But it was VERY clear he ignored AMD graphics for years, until when they began to advertise, they suddenly got attention. Also it was very clear that when Intel stopped their program to support reviewers, he did a 180 and was suddenly VERY EXTREMELY negative on everything Intel.
Just pay attention if you use his channel, and I bet you’ll see it very quickly too.Have you noticed how Intel is doing so much worse than AMD pretty much across the board though? Maybe it just reflects reality :)
You can look at the stock chart for a quick summary.
I have AMD stock😀, I was always an AMD guy and stuck with my trusty Bulldozer FX CPU when they were really bad compared to Core2, I predicted way back in 2016 AMD would compete with Nvidia on compute, and later AI. But even for me what Linus did was too thick.
Intel was still ahead in single threaded at the time, but Linus focused ONLY on negative things.
Yep, Gamer Nexus ripped Linus a new one recently. Linus only talks for money. Well proven by the Billet Labs scandal among many others.
Nothing what GN was talking about was about money though, it was about rushing things and making mistakes
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Could you please correct your bot to not use double return for new line, which causes empty lines? And instead use a double space at the end of the line, and then return, which works as a normal return.
I have no idea why Lemmy does formatting this very counter intuitive way, but that’s how it is.This is markdown thing. Lemmy supports markdown formatting.
Like this
or like this.
They are different things. space+space+return is for a new line, yes, but return+return is for a new paragraph, which is a different thing. There is supposed to be a space, some clients just reduce it to a little less than one full line to look more compact, while others just leave the full empty line like you say. Either way it’s the intended behaviour.
Have you actually seen the video?
It in no way talks about “hidden advertising”.
Yes I watched it in it’s entirety. He talks about it. As in Linux doesn’t do anything if there’s no money involved. How he acted towards Billet Labs in a pathetic way because they were an upcoming small firm with little to no money. Another commentator in this post had already mentioned how he turned from positive to negative towards Intel when Intel stopped paying reviewers. Do you remember when they monitised the fricking apology video on YouTube? Clues are all over the place if you are willing to see with an open eye.
Most of the “tech” youtube world is based around presenting mostly useless consumer products as it was technological advancement.
Most of their SAAS advertisers could be replaced by a “docker compose up”, hardware ones, most of the time are just regular tools with one or two gimmick.
The way to get money advertising on linux is by misleading business people into getting useless enterprise services.
You are off your rocker if you think most saas products can be replaced by docker 🤣
There is a big gap between you running jellyfin in your basement and securely and reliably maintaining services.
Most saas products no, most of software i saw advertising on those kind of channels yes.
SAAS is a scam developed by venture capital to make their otherwise nominally profitable tech gambits able to bilk clients of cash on a scale not even Barnum could fathom.
👌👍
Is there 🤔? I’ve seen things in production you wouldn’t believe. Rigs from the stone age, a 30+ year old DEC still running their version of UNIX and people saving files on tapes. Why? It’s how it has always been done 🤷. A firewall/router configured back in 2001 (no one’s touched it ever since). An Ubuntu 12.4 install running a black box VM that no one knows what it’s actually for, except that it was needed back in 2012 for something related to upgrading the network… so don’t touch it cuz shit might stop working.
Trust me, I’ve seen homelabs that are far better maintained than real world production stuff. If you’re talking about the 0.2% of companies/banks that actually take care of their infrastructure, they are the expection, not the norm.
Homelabs will always be better maintained. In most cases it’s a one man show and the documentation can be slight hints that will help you remember the process when you need it.
Most of the documentation for my homelab server is a README file in the folder next to the docker compose. At work I’m forced to write a lengthy explanation as to why things are the way they are in Confluence.
reliably maintaining services
it’s funny that you use that as a selling point.
In my experience almost no outage happens because hardware failures. And most outages happen because bad configurations and/or expired certs, which in turn are a symptom of too much complexity.
Imagine thinking availability is all you need to do.
Your experience must be extremely limited.
Entreprise services are there so client companies have someone to blame contractually if there’s an issue instead of themselves, that’s very valuable.
Exactly why banks almost always use one form of a corporate UNIX based OS for this or that. Shit hits the fan --> blame the other guy. You can’t do that with community based distros, even with Debian, they offer no guarantee whatsoever.
Plus, support is pretty nice to have.
Only because it actually takes the real work off the backs from the sysadmins.
Hidden? What else is there to get from a tech illiterate channel?
Even his build guides are awful
There was a time when you could learn something by watching his channel. But I unsubbed when every other episode was about his wife, his house, or some personal shit about his employees. Get the fuck out with that parasocial shit.
The house series was actually quite fun to watch, and you could learn a couple of things from it. But the other content except maybe factory tours and server stuff is just straight up advertising and boring.
I actually kinda liked that to be honest… kind of had a human touch…
I just didn’t like that everything was Windows centered. I started using Linux more and more and just didn’t find it as interesting as I did before.
He used to be a straight up IT support style channel that had a bunch of useful information about troubleshooting and configuration.
Now it’s just “watch us build our 5,837th gaming PC from Wish.com!” He’s officially gotten to the point where he has more money than ideas.
There is always butthurt about him. He’s a normal user and folks can’t cope that Linux desktop is a mess for the average user.
XXXX year of the Linux desktop.
Linux is fantastic for running shit. It’s pretty terrible for most normal users to use.
yeah, as a video/media guy, I’m still hard stuck on windows. it’s just not viable to make enough money and say no to the jobs that require adobe. you’ll just go hungry if you try…
Reeally depends what you consider for normal use. If you just plan to use some office programs and network without being required to use ms format then what not love there. You often even have thr office programs preinstalled
I don’t see any job listing “Libre Office skills” but “Microsoft Excel skills” though.
It’s not a mess. If you install an appropriate distro, say Ubuntu or Linux Mint, the average user would be just fine using it. Judging it based on installing it is being disingenuous. The average user isn’t installing an operating system, Windows or Linux. You know OS installation gets handled by someone that knows what they are doing regardless of what OS it is.
Define “Normal”.
Linux is fantastic for the low end user that really needs a calculator and a web browser. It really only has pain points for people in the mid tier that don’t understand technology, but have to use it a lot for work. It’s a big old bell curve.
🙄 oh God here we go with not understanding tech.
You can understand technology and dislike Linux DE. It’s so condescending.
“Linux DE” is not a thing. There is no one “Linux DE”.
Hmm you seem to denigrate people for not understanding tech while seemingly giving up your privacy and $100 for Microsoft.
Do you understand not being ripped off?
Nah. I’ve never had to spend hours dicking around fixing Wayland. That’s worth its weight in gold.
Nobody is breaking Wayland except seemingly you. What are you doing that Wayland breaks for you regularly?
Edit: You know, Now I understand Microsoft’s business model. There’s always a fool like you to buy their spyware and then go to bat for them for free.
👌👍🤣
If you understood technology, you would explicitly know why tracking within windows is dangerous. Either way. Its not a very good look for you.
🙄🙄🙄
Again with the condescension. Assuming your values have anything to do with my technical skill.
Your technical skills won’t save you from your own loud mouth
True but most people are in that middle group of users. I thought my mom would always be below it, so I set her up with Ubuntu and showed her how to open the web browser. But it wasn’t long before her siblings were suggesting she install a mahjong app to play with them, or goofy camera filters for their video calls. After being reasonably sure they weren’t spyware, I still had to break the bad news to her: “Sorry mom, Windows only.”
She’s currently running a refurbished ThinkPad with Windows 10 pro.
Oh boy you’re still hating on linux and shilking for big corp.
Yeah? Where’s the shilk? What’s a shilk?
Shilling + Milking = Shilking
Unhinged.
Linux is fantastic for running shit. It’s pretty terrible for most normal users to use.
Skill issue.
Imagine insulting someone who said “this sucks for normal user” with get gud 🤣
Absolutely fantastic. We’ve really gone full circle.
Apparently being responsible for your own computer is too much to ask. It’s not so difficult to manage a linux install. In fact, its much easier and smoother if you are willing to become familiar with how things work. But whining that linux OS broke like Linus Sebastian from LTT when you can’t read and take responsibility is like complaining that the car didn’t save you when you crashed a manual honda civic expecting it to perform like a autopilot car. Its asinine and illogical.
We all grew up with windows and became familiar with it as that was the only choice. To insult linux and its users just because you want 100% perfection from an OS people build as a hobby for free is quite ignorant and entitled. If you don’t like linux stop commenting on programming forums.
The year of the linux desktop for me started in 2009 when I first installed ubuntu and it has been the year of the linux desktop for me since then. I have learnt to fix flaws in my system. I know what its limitations are. I don’t expect linux to fix all my problems. But i certainly do recommend it to newbies even if it might frustrate them. I expect them to take it or leave it. I don’t insult their intelligence by assuming they definitely need handholding.
Microsoft poured several billions by now into windows and it’s only getting worse day by day. If you suggest that Windows is best for daily users then it is clear that you’re just insulting people’s intelligence instead of uplifting them.
I stopped at line 1. Yes. You finally get it. It’s an appliance. It is too much to ask me to dick around being responsible for my os. I’m glad we’re making progress.
You should blame software makers and hardware vendors. Not Linux. There isn’t a Linux company that pays for vendor lock-in.
Doesn’t matter in the least bit when talking about the viability.
100%
I really don’t give a flying fuck about software privacy or open source anything. I want my computer to work with the software I need for my job, and Linux doesn’t, so it’s a non-viable OS
You’re barking up the wrong tree then. I don’t know why you would do that when you claim to be a pragmatic person. What’s exactly your beef? Care to tell me?
I think its just a matter of taste. I’ve used Linux for a long time and I will choose GNOME or Cinnamon over anything any day.
I also appreciate that I don’t need a online account and everything I do isn’t being analysised.
The telemetry thing got really out of hand. Me spending more time on blocking shit instead of actually using the OS… sorry, but I’d rather invest that time in learning something new than trying to circumvent things that shouldn’t be there in the first place.
Not to mention Windows constantly battering you to sign in and to buy office 365.
Many people here are using Linux desktop as their normal PC without any issues, for years. I have been happily gaming on it for about 8 years. You probably don’t know how Linux desktop is for an average user nowadays. Our retired parents are using it too.
What part about normal did you miss? The folks on lemmy are about as far from the average user as you get.
My kids use Linux. They are 5 and 7. They do just fine. They are “normal”… as in just beginner users.
The 5 year old only cares where Steam is, and where the games are in the menu.
The 7 year old is a master at it all already. He’s installing Minecraft mods all the time… downloading, unzipping the mods… running java -jar XYZ from the terminal… yeah I had to show him the first time, but TBH, I didn’t show it all to him. He read up on how it works and watched YouTube videos on it.
IT’s all about what you’re used to and if you’re actually interested in learning the bits. Normal is what? Someone who teats the computer as an appliance? Yeah… with those users as long as the machine actually works… they don’t care what the underlying OS is… OSX? Windows 11? some Linux distro? It’s all the same to them. The computer is a magic machine that does things and they have no clue how or why.
LemmyIsFantastic is a corporate shill or an unpaid troll. Don’t bother wasting your breath.
Exactly!
I’m gonna get my 4 year old onboard as well, soon. He’s still too young, but slowly, he will grasp the basics.
It’s amazing how quickly they get it.
You are getting downvoted, perhaps users don’t like to be called “un-normal”.
It is very clear that by normal you meant average.
Lemmy and Linux users should be intelligent enough to understand the context of your initial message…
This particular user seems to be a corporate shill. I hope they are getting paid for their advocacy of the malware infested OS that steals private data of paid users. At least then they wouldn’t be dumb. This user is consistently arguing that piracy is theft in other threads but will go bat for corporations. Companies that have stolen a lot more from tax money, environment, wage theft, lobbying politicians to artificially stiffle competition, lying to congress about data theft, etc.
Edit: I meant LemmyIsFantastic not you
Linux desktop nowadays is not a matter of having above average computer knowledge, it’s a matter of habit. People/companies used Windows because they are used to it so it seems easy, but it’s not actually easier than noob friendly Linux. As an illustration many of us made our children or parents use Linux, it shows how easy it is.
I know, I know, it’s stupid easy unless you do something like buy an Nvidia card or use flatpack. I was dumb enough to use xdotool to get my track pad in unbusted, but dumb ass me had to use YDOTOOL🤦♂️ because Wayland!
That fixed it for you no? Why are you still bitching about it like a whiney little kid. Go cry to Nvidia.
Lost the conversation huh? I know it’s hard to follow.
It’s not terrible, it’s unfamiliar.
I for one find the mess of workarounds to make Windows tolerable very unintuitive. And scouring the web to find an installer for a program.
I learned young and became a power user of GNU/Linux. So I’m familiar with it. Way more than I am with Windows.
If people learn on Windows well into adulthood, then that’s what they’re going to be familiar with. The challenge is getting users to accept that things will work differently. It’s not a technical problem most of the time anymore, but a familiarity one.
I think if more people learned about the importance of software freedom (like being able to take a program to any programmer like a car to a mechanic, no nasty behaviour, etc) a lot more would at least try to familiarise themselves with it.
Linus Torvalds himself also e this and basically positied he thinks Valve will be the company that brings us to a working desktop ecosystem by deciding on a universal desktop app packaging format.
I saw a video recently about the history of x11 development from retro bytes on YouTube and it is pretty much exemplary of the nature of open source development. I think I understand this whole conundrum a bit better.
Flatpack really had solved packaging IMO.
True also worth mentioning appimage, like flatpak but portable
Appimage may be the closest thing to the “executable” that Linus is talking about in that specific conference I mentioned.
Debconf14 QA with Linus Torvalds
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It’s absolutely fine for most normal users, the exception being people that need to run proprietary software that only runs on windows
That’s a significant portion of people. Anyone using an Adobe product, playing half of the top 10 games on steam or using any proprietary hardware is basically locked out.
“Using any proprietary hardware”
Yeah, wrong. Free drivers have been written for most hardware. Maybe except the absolute newest because we haven’t had enough time. But if you’re buying the latest and greatest hardware every time it comes out, you really ought to be looking at the waste you are producing.
I’m using a near 8 year old audio interface that still can’t support Linux. Plenty of hardware doesn’t support it. Community support never covers every use case.
I hope Steve from Gamers Nexus doesn’t turn into someone like Linus
