Apologies for title spelling errors. Apparently the title box doesn’t arouse autocomplete or spell check.

Seriously. For my entire life I’ve been able to look at any random porn site and know I wasn’t going to see various things : children, rape, insest, scat, etc etc.

When the fuck did incest porn become acceptable? Let alone mainstream?

There’s not even an opinion to NOT see it. (but I’m given the option to not see gay porn)

Like. I don’t care that it exists. I’m not shaming anyone for being into it but

I DON’T WANT TO SEE IT ON MY FUCKING PORN LISTS

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    8 months ago

    Your title talks about “step” porn but the post is about incest.

    Step-relatives are not biological relatives, so not the same as incest. And I’d guess the reason it is popular is because a lot of people have a lot of inappropriate thoughts about members of their step-family, and because there is still an element of taboo which gets some people off.

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      8 months ago

      They use “step” as a way to say “oh no it’s totally not incest fantasy”.

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      8 months ago

      By the amount of step porn I would estimate the number of people with step family members to be much larger than it actually is.

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    8 months ago

    Weird cluster of socially isolated weirdos who get off on the taboo and/or actually want to fuck a relative but know it would end in like the worst way imaginable if that became known.

    Basically picture an entire demographic of George Michael Bluths

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    8 months ago

    Most porn sites are owned by a single company. That company was exposed recently for inserting gay porn into non-gay porn searches/categories and also for saying it’s what 12 year olds want to see. This was done in a Project Veritas style undercover report by a conservative outlet so no one here is going to believe or care about any of it. It’s the same thing with the incest porn though. There is a concerted effort to shape people’s interests by exposing them to things they weren’t looking for. Could be simply to try to increase engagement and revenue or legitimate social programming who knows. Society in general is becoming increasingly open to taboos of all kinds and much of this is due to promotion via media.

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    I feel like originally it was a semi-safe taboo to break that made a standard porn setup seem more forbidden/risqué. It always seemed weird, like how many people have step siblings that also fantasize about them sexually, how big could this be? But it just kept on coming, so to speak.

    Now I think it’s just a meme/SEO thing, where you have to include it even if the video is not even pretending to be about that. Also it happened around the same time that websites were pushing/pivoting into more content creator type things, and so it’s probably related to that as well. Like the annoying face+exaggerated reaction thing on YouTube…

    Either way, always seemed whacky that everything the sites serve is almost completely step-porn on the front page.

  • Apathy Tree@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 months ago

    The most logical answer to this that I’ve come across is production value.

    There is a lot of porn out there, and a lot of it is not very good quality for one reason or another. Now go back a decade or more, and remember it was worse then.

    Niche fetish porn, however, was typically pretty high quality because that’s what people were paying good money for. It never started out as free.

    Because you can, if needed, just skip the talking bit to ignore the incestuous plot lines, it’s basically just straight vanilla porn, that was what people went looking for. It was the closest to vanilla you could get with the high production quality of fetish studios.

    Not understanding the why, production companies saw the spike in that specific result and started making more of it, then it started getting memed, and here we are.

    Idk if it’s true, but it makes the most sense to me, considering when it started to gain popularity.

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    8 months ago

    Well it isn’t incest which makes it taboo only on a surface level. Beyond that, it’s a quick setup to a story for young or young-looking actors as well as an easy, built-in explanation for someone to walk in on them and get an “exposed” element to their narrative.

    Basically it’s just cheap and convenient writing. Be disgusted if you want but even within their little narrative it’s not incest so you’re getting your featers riled up over nothing.

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      8 months ago

      yeah it seems like just a VERY quick way to say “the girl is cute and young-looking, typically petite, in a house/bedroom setting”.

      you can say all that, or “step”.

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        Exactly. It’s just narrative shorthand. I’m sure there are some people getting there jollies from the narrative side but those’ll be the ones who don’t have the impulse to turn the volume down when the Brattysis intro gets to the “You’re the best big brother…” part.

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          when the Brattysis intro gets to the “You’re the best big brother…” part.

          Well, we know what **your ** favorite site/studio/whatever is. Based on the name and intro line you provided I’m guessing their whole thing is straight sibling porn where the girl is supposed to be the younger sister and kind of a pain before they fuck? That’s pretty specific, but I guess everything is someone’s kink.

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            Honestly, man, I kinda wish it was my favorite. Annoyingly, it’s just been one of those intro cards that has got stuck in my head. You’re mostly on the money though. The girl isn’t always younger but the general principle is she’s giving poor browski a hard time for the fun of it before they bang by some narrative means. You say it’s specific but if you mute it and just watch shit unfold, it’s your standard sudden dom power fantasy. Pretty basic stuff, really. Not to mention, requires extremely little scripting for the studio so favorable both writing costs and all the sieve-brained starlets not having to memorize much.

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              See, I just ignore studio altogether, skip forward enough that it’s already to the action so I tend to miss intro cards and tend to pick out particular actresses and look up other stuff with them.

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    Incest porn that was actually labeled as such was pretty common about 15 years ago. By which I mean pretend incest, the performers were not really related but were pretending to be.

    But there was some case where a woman was posting porn of herself and her son that got really well known. After that, I’m not sure whether because of some new legislation or because of just covering asses, they started calling it step-incest instead of pretending it was real.

    In my totally anecdotal experience, incest was getting pretty popular before that time, then it dropped off for a while, and is now picking up steam again. I’m even starting to see slightly more stuff that pretends to be real incest again instead of the stupid step-incest.

    It would be nice if it was easier to filter out what you don’t like though.

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    Real talk: I found myself watching step family porn because it’s really good for some reason. I don’t give a shit about the story and skip past it. I don’t have any step siblings and don’t have any familial fantasies or anything weird. I just think the women that end up starring in these look hot. I honestly don’t know why.

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      8 months ago

      I have a theory: The camerawork/cinematography is better.

      Historically, there’s been a divide between softcore and hardcore porn. Softcore porn generally features R or NC-17 rated nudity and some simulated sex acts with a lot of effort put into the cinematography to make sure the camera never goes crotchwards. These kinda rely on a suspension of disbelief, often bolstered with more of a story focus, some are basically soap operas.

      Hardcore porn on the other hand features genuine non-simulated sex acts by definition, and the producers seem to have an attitude of “if we’re going through the trouble to have real sex in our movies, by god’s cock ring we’re going to SHOW real sex in our movies.” So the camera ends up at all kinds of stupid angles - way low looking up, titled to one side to better fit tall humans onto the wide frame, or downright gynecological close-ups that go on for minutes at a time.

      The step-sibling genre on the other hand…these usually do feature genuine sex acts, but they’re playing to a kink that…isn’t visual. The aspect that makes this not a vanilla movie is the actress occasionally remembers to say the words “I can’t believe I’m fucking my step-brother.” So that pressure to zoom way into the crotchal region seems to be relieved. The camera stays upright at eye level across the room. Close-ups are few and far between or totally absent; the actors probably do that thing where they lean to the side to “show their work” but we don’t plunge in to get a good look at the wrinkles and razor burn. So what ends up on the screen is two people having sex rather than a penis going into various holes.

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      I wonder if the whole step sibling porn only works for people without step siblings. Like when i was a horny teenager and talked to my horny teenager friends, a lot of them where only childs or had a brother and told me that having a sister would be so hot. No, it really isn’t there is less than 0 sexual tension of any shape or form in a normal brother/sister relationship.

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    Supposedly, it was accidental.

    Early on, porn sites were less moderated, and thus more friendly to niche kinks.

    But this meant people randomly looking would run across those niche kinks, click on them because it’s effectively shock bait, which skewed views. The porn makers saw this increase in views, figured they hit a gold mine, and incest porn took off. As the internet got more moderated, the taboo kinda pushed regular incest to the side, with some sites outright banning it eventually. This left step-porn stuck in the dryer, and the effect spun out of control.

    Mind you, this is from some random article I read a few years ago, so it’s second hand and unsourced, so grain of salt, etc.

    That being said, it jibes with what I’ve seen over the years. I’ve never been a big porn user, but even a dilettante like me could see trends in what sites were showing up front. I wanna say the step-porn started showing up in otherwise unrelated searches maybe eight years ago? And it was visible as far back as something like 2005ish as something you’d run across on porn sites.

    Mind you, I don’t have any issues with step-porn or regular incest porn; it’s almost 100% fake anyway. I don’t kink shame, even with the really “gross” stuff like scat, as long as I don’t have to see it unintentionally. If it was real incest porn, I’d not want to see it, but as long as it’s consenting adults, I ain’t hating. Step-porn that’s real is just regular porn where the performers already knew each other well, it isn’t incest in the important ways.

    But, dude, that you’ve never run across any of the ugly stuff just shows how much the internet has changed. There was a time when just being in a non sex related chat room could expose you to some pretty bad stuff. Shit, I still can’t get some of the things I saw back in the very early internet days out of my head.

    You’d just be talking about random shit, maybe a movie or whatever, and a proto-troll would dump images of kids, or gore, or both, plus whatever else they had saved up. It took a while before videos could be done like that, and thanks be to the tech gods that there were better tools to reduce that kind of fucked up shit on a given chat. But you’d still get clips dumped in of things you can’t erase from your head.

    By the time commercial porn sites came along, they were able to limit the worst of it, and did. But before that, it was a risky thing to run searches that included some words that would pull hits from porn sites that were either unmoderated, or were intended to host the bad stuff. Ffs, there was a time when trying to figure out how to light a photo you intended to take of a kid was just horrifying.

    As much as I hate Google, they really did reduce that, then eliminate it to the point that it really isn’t possible to find such things on purpose, much less having it show up like that. Well, I assume so, anyway. Afaik, all that shit went underground, and you can actually search for the Nabokov novel without getting your eyes and soul tainted.

    Jfc, I really am glad y’all younger netizens didn’t have to go through that era.

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      This left step-porn stuck in the dryer, and the effect spun out of control.

      Love this line

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      Just to tack onto the ending sentiment. To anyone into the anime scene, be wary about sites like paheal. They still have basically no filtering (if any at all) so it’s very easy to encounter goro and other niche kinks that make a lot of people want to bleach their eyes. If you don’t know what goro is, don’t look it up because you most likely didn’t want to know in the first place.

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        so it’s very easy to encounter goro and other niche kinks that make a lot of people want to bleach their eyes.

        Once. Then you add the offending tag(s) to your blacklist or include -whatever in your searches. Sites like that are kind of extreme about thorough image tagging which is handy when there are things you strongly don’t want to see.

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    I answered this in another thread, so I’m just gonna copy and paste my answer here. Sorry if the context comes off slightly odd, like I said it was originally elsewhere:

    I’ve thought about the topic and I think I can answer why there has been a rise in step-porn.

    I think it’s pretty simple: people are more isolated, and people now socialize online.

    We’re simply seeing less of each other than we ever have (especially during the pandemic, but this isn’t specific just to that timeline). Whereas we used to go out and socialize and develop crushes in the real world, for a lot of people, especially a lot of young men, these days the vast majority, if not all, of the non-online social interactions they’re having with the opposite sex are within their own homes. And while our brains may be adapting to this new internet landscape well enough, I think our bodies are still lagging behind. When you’re an 18 year with raging hormones, the sexual drive extends beyond the reasonable brain. And so it attaches to what your libido recognizes as the other sexually viable candidates regularly in your sphere of influence: the women inside your own home. And thus they develop crushes on their mothers, their siblings, their stepsiblings, and are turned on by pornography that lets them indulge in this taboo but still very real crush.

    And to be clear, I am attempting to explain the phenomenon, I am not attempting to excuse or justify it. Incest is gross and faux/step-incest may be biologically better but is still pretty socially/culturally fucked.

    I’m just glad I grew up in the 90s before our lives had moved so heavily online.

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    Yeah, this is the same problem I have with ugly people seeking validation and the woke kids feeding them in the web pages where I’m trying to get my dick hard. Get your yuck out of my yum.